Post: #1

Those poor gamers have been having a rough few days.

A gamer going by the moniker of Kootra got Swatted by a real life SWAT team while live streaming his game. Talk about immersive game play!

You would think the police would stop responding with SWAT to anonymous tips by now.

Post: #2

I would sue the shit out of these people for going through the phone. They have no fucking right to do that

Post: #3

What I find the most sickening is that these guys are training loaded assault rifles on a guy who is peacefully surrendering and is laying on the floor with his arms spread, even a few minutes after he has done that and just kept frozen like that. Is he going to suddenly grow titanium plating and spring up to rip their throats or what? What necessitates this kind of threat against an ordinary citizen? He should sue them for PTSD.

Post: #4

(08-28-2014 12:49 AM)little wing Wrote:  I would sue the shit out of these people for going through the phone. They have no fucking right to do that

Rights? There are so many horror stories of people being SWAT-teamed for bogus reasons, for having read the wrong addresses etc. Sometimes whole interiors are destroyed, innocent people having their teeth kicked in, women and children getting seriously hurt or getting shot (especially if they get the wrong address or a bogus anonymous "tip").

He should be feeling lucky for not having been hurt or dead. SWAT Teams are in my opinion units that would likely be used very rarely, but since so many districts got them nowadays, they cannot let those guys play cards and train for months. They gotta let them work, so any reason is good enough to kick in some doors.

Who knows - they might be really busy in the future bashing in skulls of protesters and "dissidents", as the shit hits the fan.

Still - life creates the best ironies.

Post: #5

Those cops look like real pros. I'd smoke the shit out of my fire team if they cleared rooms like that. Tunnel vision, several guys shouting all at once so the suspect could easily get confused or not understand commands, shitty muzzle discipline, other stuff as well. I give them a D; they didn't fail completely because they didn't accidentally shoot him or one another.

I honestly think they've never had formal training in room clearing techniques, or if they did it was by some fly-by-night fucktard who never cleared a real potentially hostile room in his life.

Hopefully they sue the police department, and the idiot who called the cops gets tossed in prison for about 5-10.

Still, the situation is pretty freaking funny.

Post: #6

Is there a link to the back story as to why the cops were there in the first place? Also, beyond giving his name and maybe answering if there are weapons around why would he say anything else, especially if he is surprised that they are there? I also thought there was some recent supreme court case that going through phones isn't an incidental property search like looking at the change in your pocket....well I guess if they had a warrant?

Post: #7

(08-28-2014 07:39 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Is there a link to the back story as to why the cops were there in the first place? Also, beyond giving his name and maybe answering if there are weapons around why would he say anything else, especially if he is surprised that they are there? I also thought there was some recent supreme court case that going through phones isn't an incidental property search like looking at the change in your pocket....well I guess if they had a warrant?

check the link in the first post

Post: #8

(08-28-2014 12:49 AM)little wing Wrote:  I would sue the shit out of these people for going through the phone. They have no fucking right to do that

Actually they do.

This thing called the Patriot Act made anything private such as private property irrelevant if there is the likelihood of terrorism activities involved.

Post: #9

(08-28-2014 03:52 AM)weambulance Wrote:  Those cops look like real pros. I'd smoke the shit out of my fire team if they cleared rooms like that. Tunnel vision, several guys shouting all at once so the suspect could easily get confused or not understand commands, shitty muzzle discipline, other stuff as well. I give them a D; they didn't fail completely because they didn't accidentally shoot him or one another.

I honestly think they've never had formal training in room clearing techniques, or if they did it was by some fly-by-night fucktard who never cleared a real potentially hostile room in his life.

Hopefully they sue the police department, and the idiot who called the cops gets tossed in prison for about 5-10.

Still, the situation is pretty freaking funny.

If this wasn't proven real..I would think it was fake...Either way..this isnt a real swat team..these are just local boys that play the video game too.

They gave away the element of surprise long ago..If he was really a threat.. he had more than enough time to be ready for them to arrive.

The cops came in with the worse equipment ever. It looked like one one dude had a helmet. the rest just had thrown on gear.
The all come in straight ahead. no one cleared the room..they all look at the one person.. not one one looked at the corners.

no situation awareness at all.
Ive seem college kids to better..

I wouldn't even give them a D.

Post: #10

(08-28-2014 01:43 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Rights? There are so many horror stories of people being SWAT-teamed for bogus reasons, for having read the wrong addresses etc. Sometimes whole interiors are destroyed, innocent people having their teeth kicked in, women and children getting seriously hurt or getting shot (especially if they get the wrong address or a bogus anonymous "tip").

He should be feeling lucky for not having been hurt or dead. SWAT Teams are in my opinion units that would likely be used very rarely, but since so many districts got them nowadays, they cannot let those guys play cards and train for months. They gotta let them work, so any reason is good enough to kick in some doors.

Who knows - they might be really busy in the future bashing in skulls of protesters and "dissidents", as the shit hits the fan.

Still - life creates the best ironies.

A lot of SWAT officers are regular cops with some extra training. They're not "playing cards" on any regular basis.

Post: #11

I'm not even clear - how do you get someone swatted? Can you just call up the police and say "bomb threat at [address]" and they'll roll out the tanks on them? It's that easy that prankster gamers can call in the fed on one another?

Post: #12

Them standing on the peaceful kid with their foot on his back pissed me off, as did "you think this is funny" officer's attitude and the bald fuck who thought it was appropriate to turn off the camera without permission.

Post: #13

(08-28-2014 09:55 AM)Truth Teller Wrote:  A lot of SWAT officers are regular cops with some extra training. They're not "playing cards" on any regular basis.

There are part-time teams as well as full-time teams in bigger cities.

My comment referred to the fact that SWAT teams are being used around the world for a variety of reasons. I have even seen it happen in EE when they wanted to arrest a minor car thief. To a degree it makes sense when you wish to minimize casualties on your side, but on the other hand it is a most undesirable sign of the militarization of police. You could minimize just as well by throwing in hand-grenades and be done with it. The goal is to use excessive force in overwhelming numbers for any kind of threat. Those are military tactics and they have little to do with "protect and serve".

I know that we are so used to it nowadays - that we don't blink twice and it all seems to be so cool when they storm buildings, but in effect I see it as highly negative and so would most people who have seen the friendly neighborhood cop of the 1950s.

When a new prolonged depression hits I am sure all those units will come in handy.

Post: #14

(08-28-2014 10:10 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  I'm not even clear - how do you get someone swatted? Can you just call up the police and say "bomb threat at [address]" and they'll roll out the tanks on them? It's that easy that prankster gamers can call in the fed on one another?

Spoofing, which is basically creating a false telephone number. Some VOIP programs and calling cards allow you to create your own number to trick local emergency service caller IDs.

If someone wanted to SWAT you they would find out your phone number and where you live, then they'd spoof your number and call your local PD's emergency line. SWATters often pretend to be the target and tell the operators crazy shit like 'I JUST KILLED MY ENTIRE FAMILY. COME AND GET ME, FUCKERS!'

Their ultimate goal is to get the cops to respond with overwhelming force, so they'll always say something serious is going on. If their target's killed by police, even better.

Honestly, anyone who's caught doing that shit should be charged with attempted murder. If the cops do kill the target on accident they need to be charged with felony murder.

By the way, it doesn't just happen to gamers. Some left-wing asshole was doing it to conservative bloggers a while back.

http://www.freedomworks.org/content/swat...s-unabated

Post: #15

Changing times:

   

Post: #16

Well plenty of proof this is real:

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hair-tr...ve-online/

http://kdvr.com/2014/08/27/watch-littlet...ting-hoax/


I hope these asshats who swatted this guy get caught. Waste of taxpayer dollars.

But it does serve to show how swat interacts.

Are they legally allowed to search his phone in a incident like this ?

This bring alot of questions out


PS. Love how as soon as the cops found out what was going on they turned off the mic and camera. Cops not wanting to be held accountable.

If that was me and I knew cops were coming, I'd ditch my phone, put my wallet near and turn off the computer screen OR not tell them anything than whatever they needed to know.

Post: #17

(08-28-2014 01:43 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(08-28-2014 12:49 AM)little wing Wrote:  I would sue the shit out of these people for going through the phone. They have no fucking right to do that

Rights? There are so many horror stories of people being SWAT-teamed for bogus reasons, for having read the wrong addresses etc. Sometimes whole interiors are destroyed, innocent people having their teeth kicked in, women and children getting seriously hurt or getting shot (especially if they get the wrong address or a bogus anonymous "tip").

He should be feeling lucky for not having been hurt or dead. SWAT Teams are in my opinion units that would likely be used very rarely, but since so many districts got them nowadays, they cannot let those guys play cards and train for months. They gotta let them work, so any reason is good enough to kick in some doors.

Who knows - they might be really busy in the future bashing in skulls of protesters and "dissidents", as the shit hits the fan.

Still - life creates the best ironies.

Shit how many peoples dogs have been killed or even 96 year old women by cops breaking into the wrong houses and things like that. This is basically all due to the cops being turned into a military type force and being given shit they have no business having as far as weapons and technology. The Federal Government is giving grants to all these dinky ass towns to spend millions on technology and armored carriers and shit they will never ever need. Vice did a doc on this on youtube fairly recently.

One positive thing is I was reading a story on drudge the other day, don't recall where inthe city but the city council was forcing the cops to give back some type of assault vehicle or something like that, they didn't want their police force to be a military unit without adaquete training apparently.

Post: #18

(08-28-2014 10:50 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Spoofing, which is basically creating a false telephone number. Some VOIP programs and calling cards allow you to create your own number to trick local emergency service caller IDs.

If someone wanted to SWAT you they would find out your phone number and where you live, then they'd spoof your number and call your local PD's emergency line. SWATters often pretend to be the target and tell the operators crazy shit like 'I JUST KILLED MY ENTIRE FAMILY. COME AND GET ME, FUCKERS!'

Their ultimate goal is to get the cops to respond with overwhelming force, so they'll always say something serious is going on. If their target's killed by police, even better.

Honestly, anyone who's caught doing that shit should be charged with attempted murder. If the cops do kill the target on accident they need to be charged with felony murder.

AH yes, the police state is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding police state.

Post: #19

(08-28-2014 04:43 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  Shit how many peoples dogs have been killed or even 96 year old women by cops breaking into the wrong houses and things like that. This is basically all due to the cops being turned into a military type force and being given shit they have no business having as far as weapons and technology. The Federal Government is giving grants to all these dinky ass towns to spend millions on technology and armored carriers and shit they will never ever need. Vice did a doc on this on youtube fairly recently.

One positive thing is I was reading a story on drudge the other day, don't recall where inthe city but the city council was forcing the cops to give back some type of assault vehicle or something like that, they didn't want their police force to be a military unit without adaquete training apparently.

You're talking about this.

Quote:Towns Say 'No Tanks' to Militarized Police
Growing Unease Over Departments' Use Of Vehicles and Gear Designed for Battle

By JENNIFER LEVITZ CONNECT
Updated Feb. 7, 2014 2:45 p.m. ET

High Springs, Fla., police officer James Field exits an MRAP—an armored, mine-resistant ambush-protected military vehicle—now owned by his department. Gainesville Sun /Landov
Residents in some towns have begun standing up to the large armored vehicles that local police departments are receiving from the federal government.

Six-figure grants from the Department of Homeland Security have been funding BearCats and other heavily fortified vehicles in towns and cities nationwide since soon after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Beginning last summer, the government also has handed out 200 surplus vehicles built to withstand mines and bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is considering requests from 750 more communities.

Wald

Post: #20

(08-28-2014 02:10 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Changing times:

Hmm, I don't know how to interpret the facial expression on the guy behind the counter. What do you make of it?

Awesome cartoon by the way.

Post: #21

(08-28-2014 06:15 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  ...
Six-figure grants from the Department of Homeland Security have been funding BearCats and other heavily fortified vehicles in towns and cities nationwide since soon after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Beginning last summer, the government also has handed out 200 surplus vehicles built to withstand mines and bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is considering requests from 750 more communities.

Wald
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People do have to realize that this kind of militarization makes no sense whatsoever, unless you expect economic turmoil, flash mobs or even some skirmishes and civil-war-like scenarios from time to time. Then it makes perfect sense.

Oh wait - the military is expecting exactly that: http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/artic...3jan07.pdf
DCDC Global Strategic Trends Programme 2007-2036

or the current slightly censored version: (at least in that version they
omit mentioning using mini-nukes on unruly populations)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy..._Feb10.pdf

Also it makes sense to produce bogus shooting range vids or some false flag attacks in order to eliminate assault rifles and uzis from the hands of the general public. It would make the open dictatorship a lot easier, when the general population does not have weaponry that is in any way effective against a standing army that was called the police in times past. But hey - I am sure they would tell us on CNN if they were expecting something like this.

Post: #22

(08-28-2014 06:38 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(08-28-2014 06:15 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  ...
Six-figure grants from the Department of Homeland Security have been funding BearCats and other heavily fortified vehicles in towns and cities nationwide since soon after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Beginning last summer, the government also has handed out 200 surplus vehicles built to withstand mines and bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is considering requests from 750 more communities.

Wald

Quote:People do have to realize that this kind of militarization makes no sense whatsoever, unless you expect economic turmoil, flash mobs or even some skirmishes and civil-war-like scenarios from time to time. Then it makes perfect sense.

Oh wait - the military is expecting exactly that: http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/artic...3jan07.pdf
DCDC Global Strategic Trends Programme 2007-2036

or the current slightly censored version: (at least in that version they
omit mentioning using mini-nukes on unruly populations)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy..._Feb10.pdf

Also it makes sense to produce bogus shooting range vids or some false flag attacks in order to eliminate assault rifles and uzis from the hands of the general public. It would make the open dictatorship a lot easier, when the general population does not have weaponry that is in any way effective against a standing army that was called the police in times past. But hey - I am sure they would tell us on CNN if they were expecting something like this.

While I agree with you in principle, I couldn't find any mention of riot control measures in these two documents. On which page are these mini-nukes discussed?

Post: #23

Well, as long as it wasn't SWAT 4. Also, the game in the video looks like it's Counter Strike: GO. That has absolutely nothing to do with a SWAT team in the level that is displayed in the video; that map looks like Dust and the player is part of the IDF.

Why are gamers getting party-bussed again?

Post: #24

what's up with a guy with a backpack?

I am sure those guys were just excited to gear up, knock down the door and yell swat

Post: #25

(08-28-2014 06:38 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Oh wait - the military is expecting exactly that: http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/artic...3jan07.pdf
DCDC Global Strategic Trends Programme 2007-2036

or the current slightly censored version: (at least in that version they
omit mentioning using mini-nukes on unruly populations)