Post: #1

Thanks to Instapundit I came across a curious article penned by a liberal (don't know if feminist) on overreach of rape culture:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...blown.html

Seems the backlash against feminism intensifies. Discuss.

Post: #2

Backlash? Hardly.

This political show will most likely result in -- maybe -- some extra protections for students accused of rape on campus. Conservatives and critics of feminists will praise this if it happens, as if a couple breadcrumbs dusted off the table of feminism is a victory. Campuses will continue to adjudicate sexual assault cases and terrify their female students with false specters of rape and sexual assault to keep them on the career track. Society wants single mothers, make no bones about it. Women exist primarily as consumers in America.

Sexual assault and rape should be prosecuted by the appropriate authorities: the police. Some comments show why feminists oppose this: they think the criminal justice system "re-victimizes" female rape victims.
Decades of reforms have dramatically changed how police deal with women who claim to have been raped: they get to interact solely with female officers, are treated with levels of compassion absolutely foreign to any other alleged victim of crime and generally have a system rigged completely in their favor. Do note that role of police at the outset replaces what families used to do. And no, its not rape culture that causes women to not think to call their mothers or fathers first, if at all.

These are the sorts of liberals who fantasize about being born black in the 1940's and challenged de facto and de jure racism in the 1960's, not thinking of what actually what being born black in the 1940's means. In their fantasies -- we are talking about fantasies about reality here -- they are all-powerful, revolutionary and bad things that could happen to them because of their race wouldn't happen to somebody like them. These are the sorts of people who get upset at a person getting injured at work and getting a huge payday. I wish I could get hit by a bus and collect 3 million dollars. They fail to understand that the vast majority of blacks born in '40's were victims of structural vestiges of white supremacy and the vast majority of people hit by city buses either die or are crippled for life. But that wouldn't happen to somebody like me!

Feminists want female victims of rape to be miserable. Opposing rape is big business to them, so they need female victims of rape (real or imagined) in order to fill the coffers. Their proposed "solutions" do nothing to actually prevent rape or help victims. People don't need to be educated on rape and how to counsel victims, people need healthy families to draw on when things like this happen. When bad things happen to people, you know what they need? The unconditional love that springs from familial relations. True, secondary sources like spouses or friends are important, but what women who are raped need isn't some politically-charged social worker, but somebody who they know and trust to talk to and rely on.

Having been robbed at gunpoint and forced to beg for my life, I can relate to such traumatizing experiences. But you know what? What matters people in your life you can draw on as you process what happened to you. Crimes like robbery and rape have always had low clearance rates and will continue to do so long as people are innocent until proven guilty. To turn to administrative law to side-step the necessary and justified rules of criminal procedure is disgusting.

Post: #3

Ah, Eleanor Clift.

An example of why you like older women on juries in bullshit rape / domestic violence cases. They have seen and maybe done it all.

Post: #4

I remember hearing the "20% of all college women are raped" (or something to that effect) when it came out. It sounded more agenda than data driven at the time. I was (and am) clear the "all men are rapists"/"no such thing as consensual sex" gender based femihag crowd went elbow deep to pull this number from their own fat asses.

The truth hurts though. A DOJ study from 2000 showed rates as 3.5% (including both incidents and victims) of college women. Nationally, from '05-'10 incident rates for the 18-34 demo were 3.7 per 1000. That doesn't fit the "rape epidemic" propagated regarding this study now does it?

One thing this article shows dissension in the feminist ranks: gender feminists versus equality feminists. I'm not surprised Clift got Sommers in on the fun. Sommers jumped off the crazy train when nth wave of feminism (the recent incarnation of penis hating jackals) crashed on our culture.

Backlash? Fun to watch, but it means nothing. The 20% was a ploy used put fear in the hearts of college kids to recruit more followers of the radical feminist narrative: women are victims, men the victimizers and feminism will save you from unwanted/regretful sexual encounters. It served it's purpose and they all know it...or should as it took me 15 minutes to find the stats from DOJ and Wikipedia in my second paragraph above but seven years for them to counter the 20% lie from '07.

PS: 2Wycked is spot on with his response. I had typed something similar, but he covered the same ground much better.

Post: #5

Barbara Kay for the National Post has written some outstanding articles about this.

Post: #6

It's a rite of passage to be raped in college today. You'll never get a job fresh out of school as a woman by the political officers in HR if you weren't at least molested or assaulted in college so you can keep the witch's coven alive.

Post: #7

Entering the WTF zone...

There is still "I'm a woman hear me roar" vibe in these photos, but demand for actual equality is welcome. It's like they've been reading Camile Paglia...

Post: #8

(07-12-2014 01:22 PM)OBJ Snakebite Wrote:  Entering the WTF zone...

Thanks for this - it's hilarious!

I clicked through to the BozoFeed source article (which they got from Tumblr)to see feedback from the hive.

I'm speechless, yet oddly not surprised with their rabidity.

Post: #9

(07-12-2014 03:34 AM)Mr. B Wrote:  I remember hearing the "20% of all college women are raped" (or something to that effect) when it came out. It sounded more agenda than data driven at the time. I was (and am) clear the "all men are rapists"/"no such thing as consensual sex" gender based femihag crowd went elbow deep to pull this number from their own fat asses.

The truth hurts though. A DOJ study from 2000 showed rates as 3.5% (including both incidents and victims) of college women. Nationally, from '05-'10 incident rates for the 18-34 demo were 3.7 per 1000. That doesn't fit the "rape epidemic" propagated regarding this study now does it?

One thing this article shows dissension in the feminist ranks: gender feminists versus equality feminists. I'm not surprised Clift got Sommers in on the fun. Sommers jumped off the crazy train when nth wave of feminism (the recent incarnation of penis hating jackals) crashed on our culture.

Backlash? Fun to watch, but it means nothing. The 20% was a ploy used put fear in the hearts of college kids to recruit more followers of the radical feminist narrative: women are victims, men the victimizers and feminism will save you from unwanted/regretful sexual encounters. It served it's purpose and they all know it...or should as it took me 15 minutes to find the stats from DOJ and Wikipedia in my second paragraph above but seven years for them to counter the 20% lie from '07.

PS: 2Wycked is spot on with his response. I had typed something similar, but he covered the same ground much better.

Nah - the rape statistics are not 3,5% -
5 mio. women would have been raped in the US and I sincerely doubt that.


there are other threads which discussed it - generally I think in the US it was something closer to 1:2000-2400

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/...tatistics/
http://www.angryharry.com/Truth-About-Rape.htm

But since rape nowadays means harsh words uttered - then of course 20% may be raped, as her professor sometimes might rape her in front of the class.

Post: #10

(07-13-2014 07:29 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Nah - the rape statistics are not 3,5% -
5 mio. women would have been raped in the US and I sincerely doubt that.


there are other threads which discussed it - generally I think in the US it was something closer to 1:2000-2400

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/...tatistics/
http://www.angryharry.com/Truth-About-Rape.htm

But since rape nowadays means harsh words uttered - then of course 20% may be raped, as her professor sometimes might rape her in front of the class.

Great points, and thanks for the links.

3.5% did/does sound a bit overblown. I have to admit I didn't check the criteria in case they moved the goal post, but delving into the validity of the numbers was a bit out of the scope of my intent.

I also agree that tossing out the cry of "rape" for offenses as small as complementing perfume cheapens the reality of the actual crime when it actually happens. The ever widening net that's cast by lowering the threshold of rape happens at the expense of legitimate victims. Victims the opposition industry profits nicely on the backs of those violated. That should be criminal.

20%, 3.5% or n% the problem is the opposition industry. To follow what 2Wycked commented, whatever the number really is it's handled completely inappropriately.