Post: #1

Some over-educated women with barren wombs were sharing this on Facebook and getting pissed off.

Quote:Q. You come home one day as president of the company, just appointed, and your mom is not that impressed. Would you tell that story?

This is about 14 years ago. I was working in the office. I work very late, and we were in the middle of the Quaker Oats acquisition. And I got a call about 9:30 in the night from the existing chairman and CEO at that time. He said, Indra, we're going to announce you as president and put you on the board of directors... I was overwhelmed, because look at my background and where I came from—to be president of an iconic American company and to be on the board of directors, I thought something special had happened to me.

So rather than stay and work until midnight which I normally would've done because I had so much work to do, I decided to go home and share the good news with my family. I got home about 10, got into the garage, and my mother was waiting at the top of the stairs. And I said, "Mom, I've got great news for you." She said, "let the news wait. Can you go out and get some milk?" I looked in the garage and it looked like my husband was home. I said, "what time did he get home?" She said "8 o'clock." I said, "Why didn't you ask him to buy the milk?" "He's tired." Okay. We have a couple of help at home, "why didn't you ask them to get the milk?" She said, "I forgot." She said just get the milk. We need it for the morning. So like a dutiful daughter, I went out and got the milk and came back.

I banged it on the counter and I said, "I had great news for you. I've just been told that I'm going to be president on the Board of Directors. And all that you want me to do is go out and get the milk, what kind of a mom are you?" And she said to me, "let me explain something to you. You might be president of PepsiCo. You might be on the board of directors. But when you enter this house, you're the wife, you're the daughter, you're the daughter-in-law, you're the mother. You're all of that. Nobody else can take that place. So leave that damned crown in the garage. And don't bring it into the house. You know I've never seen that crown."

Quote:Q. What's your opinion about whether women can have it all?

I don't think women can have it all. I just don't think so. We pretend we have it all. We pretend we can have it all. My husband and I have been married for 34 years. And we have two daughters. And every day you have to make a decision about whether you are going to be a wife or a mother, in fact many times during the day you have to make those decisions. And you have to co-opt a lot of people to help you. We co-opted our families to help us. We plan our lives meticulously so we can be decent parents. But if you ask our daughters, I'm not sure they will say that I've been a good mom. I'm not sure. And I try all kinds of coping mechanisms.

I'll tell you a story that happened when my daughter went to Catholic school. Every Wednesday morning they had class coffee with the mothers. Class coffee for a working woman—how is it going to work? How am I going to take off 9 o'clock on Wednesday mornings? So I missed most class coffees. My daughter would come home and she would list off all the mothers that were there and say, "You were not there, mom."

The first few times I would die with guilt. But I developed coping mechanisms. I called the school and I said, "give me a list of mothers that are not there." So when she came home in the evening she said, "You were not there, you were not there."

And I said, "ah ha, Mrs. Redd wasn't there, Mrs. So and So wasn't there. So I'm not the only bad mother."

You know, you have to cope, because you die with guilt. You just die with guilt. My observation, David, is that the biological clock and the career clock are in total conflict with each other. Total, complete conflict. When you have to have kids you have to build your career. Just as you're rising to middle management your kids need you because they're teenagers, they need you for the teenage years.

And that's the time your husband becomes a teenager too, so he needs you (laughing). They need you too. What do you do? And as you grow even more, your parents need you because they're aging. So we're screwed. We have no... we cannot have it all. Do you know what? Coping mechanisms. Train people at work. Train your family to be your extended family. You know what? When I'm in PepsiCo I travel a lot, and when my kids were tiny, especially my second one, we had strict rules on playing Nintendo. She'd call the office, and she didn't care if I was in China, Japan, India, wherever. She'd call the office, the receptionist would pick up the phone, "Can I speak to my mommy?" Everybody knows if somebody says, 'Can I speak to mommy?' It's my daughter. So she'd say, "Yes, Tyra, what can I do for you?"

"I want to play Nintendo."

So she has a set of questions. "Have you finished your homework?" Etc. I say this because that's what it takes. She goes through the questions and she says, "Okay, you can play Nintendo half an hour." Then she leaves me a message. "Tyra called at 5. This is the sequence of questions I went through. I've given her permission." So it's seamless parenting. But if you don't do that, I'm serious, if you don't develop mechanisms with your secretaries, with the extended office, with everybody around you, it cannot work. You know, stay at home mothering was a full time job. Being a CEO for a company is three full time jobs rolled into one. How can you do justice to all? You can't. The person who hurts the most through this whole thing is your spouse. There's no question about it. You know, Raj always said, you know what, your list is PepsioCo, PepsiCo, PepsiCo, our two kids, your mom, and then at the bottom of the list is me. There are two ways to look at it. (laughing) You should be happy you're on the list. So don't complain. (laughing) He is on the list. He is very much on the list. But you know, (laughing) sorry, David.

Anyone want to marry a career woman who will put you bottom of her list of priorities?



Tl;dr: PepsiCo CEO's mother was unimpressed when she became company President, correctly thinking that her main priority should be her family and the home. The PepsiCo CEO was and is a terrible wife and mother, rightfully feels lots of guilt, and has realized that women cannot have it all.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arch...ll/373750/

Post: #2

At least she's honest about it. I know it's a sick world where that fact alone makes me like her, but honesty is so rare nowadays. Got no beef with that.

Post: #3

Holy shit. Her mom just mind-fucked her hard. That's some next level shit. That's the equivalent of "your pussy aint made of gold, bitch. Now make me a f*****g sandwich and like it."

Post: #4

(07-02-2014 10:36 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Holy shit. Her mom just mind-fucked her hard. That's some next level shit. That's the equivalent of "your pussy aint made of gold, bitch. Now make me a f*****g sandwich and like it."

Old school women are like that. It's part of being a matriarch.


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Post: #5

(07-02-2014 10:39 AM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 10:36 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Holy shit. Her mom just mind-fucked her hard. That's some next level shit. That's the equivalent of "your pussy aint made of gold, bitch. Now make me a f*****g sandwich and like it."

Old school women are like that. It's part of being a matriarch.

Still, that's pretty damn impressive, coming from your mom. I like that though. you do need good people in your life to keep your ego in check. My grandfather is a traditional southern man and my grandmother is a southern belle type, so he usually is the one to put everyone in their place when they get stupid. So it's just so funny to hear a woman speak to frankly, because my grandmother is rather indirect.

Post: #6

My favorite part is how she, an Indian woman, outsourced her parenting to her secretary.

Quote:When I'm in PepsiCo I travel a lot, and when my kids were tiny, especially my second one, we had strict rules on playing Nintendo. She'd call the office, and she didn't care if I was in China, Japan, India, wherever. She'd call the office, the receptionist would pick up the phone, "Can I speak to my mommy?" Everybody knows if somebody says, 'Can I speak to mommy?' It's my daughter. So she'd say, "Yes, Tyra, what can I do for you?"

"I want to play Nintendo."

So she has a set of questions. "Have you finished your homework?" Etc. I say this because that's what it takes. She goes through the questions and she says, "Okay, you can play Nintendo half an hour." Then she leaves me a message. "Tyra called at 5. This is the sequence of questions I went through. I've given her permission." So it's seamless parenting. But if you don't do that, I'm serious, if you don't develop mechanisms with your secretaries, with the extended office, with everybody around you, it cannot work.

Post: #7

Indian culture is very blue pill but at least its honest. It acknowledges that a lot of what it advocates (helicopter parenting, arranged marriages, etc) aren't the best courses of action but that it must be done to advance the family/ preserve culture. It doesn't subscribe to the Western myth of 'you can do everything before you die!'

Nooyi accepts that she can't do everything. She can't 'have it all'.

I'm curious. Will the feminists & their corporate masters pressure PepsiCo to fire her? Or will they leave her alone for being a minority female CEO?

Post: #8

I wonder how bad the backlash will be?
She is a minority female mother...i wonder who will be be able to top her in the victim olympics.

Post: #9

I wonder if she squirts in his face

She stands there, vibrator rattling her giant clitoris, him on his knees fingering, then he opens his mouth while she finishes in his face

Post: #10

(07-02-2014 10:57 AM)kinjutsu Wrote:  I wonder how bad the backlash will be?
She is a minority female mother...i wonder who will be be able to top her in the victim olympics.

Official Oppression Points usually go right out the window as soon as the "oppressed person" dares swerve from ideological orthodoxy (see Paglia, Camille).

Post: #11

Honestly her mom sounds like a real cunt. What was the bitch doing all day? I can't imagine wanting to marry a woman who would treat her children like that. Fuck children as slaves style of parenting.

Post: #12

(07-02-2014 12:58 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Honestly her mom sounds like a real cunt. What was the bitch doing all day? I can't imagine wanting to marry a woman who would treat her children like that. Fuck children as slaves style of parenting.

That's Indian parents for you. Sons should be doctors/ engineers, daughters should be good wives and mothers. Hobbies should be playing instruments, traditional dance or being a part of the debate/ math/ model UN team.

Any deviation, including working out and gaming girls is punished with passive-aggressive ostracization.

Read Bojangles' posts on RoK. They are accurate and describe Indian parents all too well. http://www.returnofkings.com/author/bojangles

Its a miracle we have Indian players on this board. Its too damn hard to flush all that programming down the toilet and then hear your whole family berate you for it.

Its impossible to please Indian parents, they will never be proud of you even if you conquer the world and establish a global empire with great progress in science and health. They'll still ask you why you didn't become an engineer or doctor.

Post: #13

I love the honesty.

Interestingly though, if a male CEO said this about women at higher levels of achievement, I have no doubt there would be an online outrage followed by him being fired or forced to resign.

Post: #14

And this was a woman WHO SUCCEEDED, in a big way. Not only in her career, but she had kids while she was still fertile, and has a loyal husband and extended family.

She does "have it all", in the feminist jargon, and she's here to tell us it's not so great. But 99% of women who try will have a much worse result - career stalling out at a middle-level (same as it does for most men), barrenness, divorce.

Post: #15

An honest woman whom no man of decent value would ever enjoy banging.

Post: #16

(07-02-2014 04:44 PM)RawGod Wrote:  She does "have it all", in the feminist jargon, and she's here to tell us it's not so great. But 99% of women who try will have a much worse result - career stalling out at a middle-level (same as it does for most men), barrenness, divorce.

Of course. She would have been far happier submitting her life to the leadership of a great man who became CEO of PepsiCo, supporting him and his family. Plus her children would be happier and better adjusted.

Feminism is responsible for more female and child suffering than anything else in the past 60 years. I hope hell exists just so feminists get what they deserve.

Post: #17

(07-02-2014 05:02 PM)Yeti Wrote:  An honest woman whom no man of decent value would ever enjoy banging.

she is 58, or course no one would enjoy banging her.






30-40 years ago, maybe...(well I wasn't alive 40 years ago, but you get my point, no woman is expected to have any value on the sexual marketplace at age 58.)

Post: #18

(07-02-2014 10:57 AM)kinjutsu Wrote:  I wonder how bad the backlash will be?
She is a minority female mother...i wonder who will be be able to top her in the victim olympics.

She's a successful wealthy 1%er, that wipes out many points with the cultural marxists.

Post: #19

Two full time jobs at once will be stressful. this is only common sense especially if one of those jobs is CEO of Pepsi. so of course you can't "have it all." choose mother or CEO don't try to juggle both until it blows up in your stupid face. why do women even need this pointed out?

Post: #20

I think its pathetic for women to sacrifice being a loving mother and wife for serving thousands of anonymous investors, particularly when she has a lot of guilt about it. That's just pathetic how she deludes herself, which she calls coping. Who cares about here PepsiCo job, 3 months after she quits it will be like she never existed and that is going to be her legacy? Pathetic.

It's the same for guys too, no one remembers a non-entrepreneur CEO, no one. Think long and hard if the rat race in the corporate world is worth it.

Post: #21

I'm just glad she was honest about it. Our society is rife with delusional women who put up a front that being a careerist and putting their family and biological instincts second is great for them. You think for even one second that a feminist would admit to anything negative regarding her(or his) ideology? People with an agenda are stubborn as fuck and will lie through their teeth in order to not compromise heir position. People are swines.

this woman sucks - she put money over family plain and simple. Her children grew up with an absent mother and her husband nothing more than a novelty at the bottom of the barrel.

Post: #22

Lindy West comments.

http://jezebel.com/pepsi-ceo-says-work-k...1599231895

Quote:In an interview at the Aspen Ideas Festival on Monday, PepsiCo chair and CEO Indra K. Nooyi dropped some real talk about the unique work-life balance challenges that come with being a pioneering businesswoman. Her observations were frank and sad.

...

While Nooyi expresses guilt at being a "bad mother," she doesn't condemn her choices. She's proud of her accomplishments and fulfilled by them. She has a staff, a supportive husband, her "coping mechanisms" to and she makes it work. There's more to being a "good mother" than showing up to class coffee.

And while work-life balance in the American workforce is in dire need of attention (for people of all genders), it's also clear that "having it all" is a semantic booby-trap intended to stifle women's ambition and success. There are as many different kinds of "it all" as there are women.

Of course Lindy doesn't recommend actually making a firm choice and dropping the job to be a good parent, or not having kids so as to not raise neglected human beings--which is a choice and responsibility the woman would have to take. She wants the American workforce (and society) to change for her. Ugh.

As much as I respect professional advancements, I find it hard to laud Indra. Yes becoming CEO of Pepsi is a major professional accomplishment, and I'm sure economically she is very well off because of it. But I don't think anything is worth neglecting your kids. If you know that your children likely wouldn't think of you as a "good parent"--not a "nice" parent, or a "compliant" parent, but simply a good parent as in being there for them and actually raising them--then you fucked up. And yes, I would feel the same way about a man, too.

Post: #23

(07-02-2014 01:45 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  

(07-02-2014 12:58 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  Honestly her mom sounds like a real cunt. What was the bitch doing all day? I can't imagine wanting to marry a woman who would treat her children like that. Fuck children as slaves style of parenting.

That's Indian parents for you. Sons should be doctors/ engineers, daughters should be good wives and mothers. Hobbies should be playing instruments, traditional dance or being a part of the debate/ math/ model UN team.

Any deviation, including working out and gaming girls is punished with passive-aggressive ostracization.

Read Bojangles' posts on RoK. They are accurate and describe Indian parents all too well. http://www.returnofkings.com/author/bojangles

Its a miracle we have Indian players on this board. Its too damn hard to flush all that programming down the toilet and then hear your whole family berate you for it.

Its impossible to please Indian parents, they will never be proud of you even if you conquer the world and establish a global empire with great progress in science and health. They'll still ask you why you didn't become an engineer or doctor.

Heh, we have indian families in our neighborhood who talk about this. They shake their heads and groan when they talk about their parents.

Post: #24

CEO of shitty sugar water.

Post: #25

Given the way they're brought up and ostracized by their parents and communities, I think it's a lot harder for Chinese/Japanese and Indian/Pak dudes to develop a confident masculinity. There's a lot of excessive mothering (especially among the Indians), shaming, guilt introduced by parents, and emphasis on conformity. Hard for any masculine men to thrive in that type of mental atmosphere.

By the way, I don't think most Asian/Indian parents want their daughters to be wives and mothers. There seems to be a huge push for their daughters to go the professional route and be career women. Much more than even Americans. I think the whole mother/wife thing has gone out of style for Asians and Indians under the age of 40, especially if they're Western born. Same is true for Jewish-Americans. They push their daughters to become doctors and lawyers, not housewives.

These days, you see very few Asian/Indian/Jewish women who are obediant wives (unless they're FOBs, and even the FOBS are changing quickly). More like spoiled princesses. If you marry a Jewish or Indian princess, she won't be buying milk.