Post: #26

FWIW, I'm an over-50 guy who is doing the StrongLifts 5X5 program. It is working out well for me so far. The progressive build-up of the weight is keeping me from over-stressing my muscles, joints and tendons. We'll see how it goes as I keep progressing to heavier weights; but, for now, I feel awesome.

Post: #27

(06-24-2014 12:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:08 AM)lovejoy Wrote:  The idea Steroids or HGH are a must for maintaining your health and muscles post 40.

Except I didn't say that. Here is what I wrote: "Any article that talks about anti-aging without mentioning testosterone and HGH is garbage."

That doesn't make TRT a must. It means that you inform people and let them decide.

That's an obvious distinction to any clear thinker.

D&P has a great post on nootropics. As a man ages, cognitive decline is a real concern.

Calling any article regarding anti aging that does not mention T or HGH garbage suggests that's exactly what you were saying. By all means get tested if you have symptoms of low T, but if your levels are good you don't need it. There are a great many other things than are causing low T like symptoms such as anemia, lyme disease, clinical depression, heart disease, diabetes and many others.

Post: #28

(06-24-2014 10:34 PM)lovejoy Wrote:  Calling any article regarding anti aging that does not mention T or HGH garbage suggests that's exactly what you were saying. By all means get tested if you have symptoms of low T, but if your levels are good you don't need it. There are a great many other things than are causing low T like symptoms such as anemia, lyme disease, clinical depression, heart disease, diabetes and many others.

In my experience, serial fucking a few girls 12-15 years younger than me shoot my hormones through the roof (judging by how I felt). No TRT required (however I went on a cream eventually).

Post: #29

I can agree that the article would be more complete with a discussion on TRT, but exogenous hormones never lifted a weight.

If we're just talking about staying at an amateur level of strength as one ages, then doing some basic calisthenics every other morning would probably do the trick. Maybe do like a hundred pushups, a hundred leg raises, and a hundred bodyweight squats in as few sets as possible. Shouldn't take any more than twenty minutes. If you wanted to do "complexes" with it, a guy could just do fifty or a hundred burpees maybe four days a week and mix in some pullups and kettlebell swings on the off days. If you wake up one day and think it's too easy, or boring, then get an ab wheel or a sandbag and train with it. Pavel and Ross Enamait have cornered the market on this sort of low-tech training a long while back.

That being said, I'm going to bring up something that not many of you guys want to hear, but there are women out there outlifting 99% of the guys on the RVF, which is why I'm not terribly convinced that hormones must be front and center in the discussion. Training, and how to stay motivated to do it for decades, should instead be.

Post: #30

(06-25-2014 01:57 AM)CaptainCrazy Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 10:34 PM)lovejoy Wrote:  Calling any article regarding anti aging that does not mention T or HGH garbage suggests that's exactly what you were saying. By all means get tested if you have symptoms of low T, but if your levels are good you don't need it. There are a great many other things than are causing low T like symptoms such as anemia, lyme disease, clinical depression, heart disease, diabetes and many others.

In my experience, serial fucking a few girls 12-15 years younger than me shoot my hormones through the roof (judging by how I felt). No TRT required (however I went on a cream eventually).

Yep, very true, amazing how an old married guy with ED is suddenly cured after divorce from his fugley x wife..

Post: #31

(06-25-2014 03:29 AM)Hades Wrote:  That being said, I'm going to bring up something that not many of you guys want to hear, but there are women out there outlifting 99% of the guys on the RVF, which is why I'm not terribly convinced that hormones must be front and center in the discussion. Training, and how to stay motivated to do it for decades, should instead be.

Women use steroids. Lots of anavar and many use testosterone, too. Yes, even those CrossFit girls are juicing.

You sure do talk like you know a lot.

I'd be curious to see how your theories work in the real world when applied to yourself and your clients.

Got some client before and after photos or something?

Post: #32

(06-24-2014 10:34 PM)lovejoy Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 12:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:08 AM)lovejoy Wrote:  The idea Steroids or HGH are a must for maintaining your health and muscles post 40.

Except I didn't say that. Here is what I wrote: "Any article that talks about anti-aging without mentioning testosterone and HGH is garbage."

That doesn't make TRT a must. It means that you inform people and let them decide.

That's an obvious distinction to any clear thinker.

D&P has a great post on nootropics. As a man ages, cognitive decline is a real concern.

Calling any article regarding anti aging that does not mention T or HGH garbage suggests that's exactly what you were saying. By all means get tested if you have symptoms of low T, but if your levels are good you don't need it. There are a great many other things than are causing low T like symptoms such as anemia, lyme disease, clinical depression, heart disease, diabetes and many others.

It does not. It's about giving options.

Can you seriously not see the difference between, "Tell someone they must," and "Tell someone they may?"

May vs. must is a pretty obvious distinction, and if you're having trouble grasping that, you may need to look into some nootropics for that early-onset dementia that might be setting in.

Post: #33

(06-28-2014 06:00 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Women use steroids. Lots of anavar and many use testosterone, too. Yes, even those CrossFit girls are juicing.

Sure they do. Just look at this "slavic beauty" http://2krota.ru/pictures/162692-natalya...pfoto.html

Post: #34

(06-28-2014 06:02 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 10:34 PM)lovejoy Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 12:08 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(06-24-2014 11:08 AM)lovejoy Wrote:  The idea Steroids or HGH are a must for maintaining your health and muscles post 40.

Except I didn't say that. Here is what I wrote: "Any article that talks about anti-aging without mentioning testosterone and HGH is garbage."

That doesn't make TRT a must. It means that you inform people and let them decide.

That's an obvious distinction to any clear thinker.

D&P has a great post on nootropics. As a man ages, cognitive decline is a real concern.

Calling any article regarding anti aging that does not mention T or HGH garbage suggests that's exactly what you were saying. By all means get tested if you have symptoms of low T, but if your levels are good you don't need it. There are a great many other things than are causing low T like symptoms such as anemia, lyme disease, clinical depression, heart disease, diabetes and many others.

It does not. It's about giving options.

Can you seriously not see the difference between, "Tell someone they must," and "Tell someone they may?"

May vs. must is a pretty obvious distinction, and if you're having trouble grasping that, you may need to look into some nootropics for that early-onset dementia that might be setting in.

I have no problem with reading comprehension, you implied exactly what I said. Some here are too quick to jump on the juice wagon and blame low T before trying anything else or checking out other reasons for their symptoms. The first thing anyone should do is get a full work up from their doctor and find out why they feel like crap. My brother did, as his energy levels were increasingly gettting worse and he had low libido/ed, turns out one artery to his heart was 80% closed.

Post: #35

Lovejoy stop trolling and go read Mikes site.

Post: #36

(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  Lovejoy stop trolling and go read Mikes site.

I'm not trolling, I just have issue with what he stated, the idea any article about anti aging that did not mention Test or HGH was "garbage". I'm probably one of the oldest guys on this forum (60 in January) and without the use of either test or HGH have managed to maintain my activity levels for much the same level I did when I was forty. If you don't want any input from guys that are actually over 45 and have been in the gym for over 40 years be my guest.

Post: #37

Lovejoy what are your test levels and when did you last measure them?

Post: #38

(06-29-2014 03:32 PM)Menace Wrote:  Lovejoy what are your test levels and when did you last measure them?

I had a full workup done last year due to irregular heart beat that put me in the hospital overnight ( I have lyme disease, it can cause all kinds of symptoms), full Test came out at 685, they didn't didn't give me numbers for free Test. Turns out I had a rare reaction to Citrulline that brought on the palpatations.

Post: #39

(06-29-2014 02:27 PM)lovejoy Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  Lovejoy stop trolling and go read Mikes site.

I'm not trolling, I just have issue with what he stated, the idea any article about anti aging that did not mention Test or HGH was "garbage". I'm probably one of the oldest guys on this forum (60 in January) and without the use of either test or HGH have managed to maintain my activity levels for much the same level I did when I was forty. If you don't want any input from guys that are actually over 45 and have been in the gym for over 40 years be my guest.

That's good for you but that's not what we were discussing. My dad is the same, nearly 60 and still a beast, that doesn't mean Mike is wrong.

We are critiquing an article that is discussing continuous muscle strength as you age. Mike isn't saying TRT is the only way, he's saying the OPTION should be on the table. I hope that I am like you and still going strong at 60 but if I am not I don't want to be told to do 5 jumping jacks and eat a chicken sandwich.

The fact that TRT is so widely misunderstood and its methods misused is exactly why having Mikes input is even more valuable. Again if people took the time to listen to his podcasts, read his posts and get first source information you would know this. I am not planning on using TRT till I'm at least 40 but I like the fact that I can get educated on it now IF and WHEN I need it.

If you don't want to use TRT that's fine but at least give people the space to inform others who might.

Post: #40

(06-29-2014 07:45 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  

(06-29-2014 02:27 PM)lovejoy Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  Lovejoy stop trolling and go read Mikes site.

I'm not trolling, I just have issue with what he stated, the idea any article about anti aging that did not mention Test or HGH was "garbage". I'm probably one of the oldest guys on this forum (60 in January) and without the use of either test or HGH have managed to maintain my activity levels for much the same level I did when I was forty. If you don't want any input from guys that are actually over 45 and have been in the gym for over 40 years be my guest.

That's good for you but that's not what we were discussing. My dad is the same, nearly 60 and still a beast, that doesn't mean Mike is wrong.

We are critiquing an article that is discussing continuous muscle strength as you age. Mike isn't saying TRT is the only way, he's saying the OPTION should be on the table. I hope that I am like you and still going strong at 60 but if I am not I don't want to be told to do 5 jumping jacks and eat a chicken sandwich.

The fact that TRT is so widely misunderstood and its methods misused is exactly why having Mikes input is even more valuable. Again if people took the time to listen to his podcasts, read his posts and get first source information you would know this. I am not planning on using TRT till I'm at least 40 but I like the fact that I can get educated on it now IF and WHEN I need it.

If you don't want to use TRT that's fine but at least give people the space to inform others who might.

Nobody is saying "don't take TRT, it will kill you...", TRT gets lots of positive coverage on this forum. I have no dog in this fight or a product to sell, but all other options should be allowed in such discussions as well without calling it garbage.

The article is accurate in what it reports and is based on multiple studies have shown that even with very elderly people just weight training alone makes a huge difference. If anyones having sysmptoms of low T, had a workup done and there are no other factors involved in their symptoms, by all means go with TRT.

Post: #41

(06-29-2014 02:27 PM)lovejoy Wrote:  I'm not trolling, I just have issue with what he stated, the idea any article about anti aging that did not mention Test or HGH was "garbage". I'm probably one of the oldest guys on this forum (60 in January) and without the use of either test or HGH have managed to maintain my activity levels for much the same level I did when I was forty. If you don't want any input from guys that are actually over 45 and have been in the gym for over 40 years be my guest.

You could be a teenager.

You're forgetting that many of us have met each other in real life, so that some opinions are taken at face values where as others are not.

Post: #42

I want to add something else to this thread:

FUN!

Our workouts can and often times should be, fun.

Having fun helps to keep things fresh and exciting.

When I feel bored or uninspired, I immediately switch up my workout and do something totally different.

I go outdoors, I go to different gyms, I workout with different people, I seek out new ways to workout.

I crave the variety as it keeps my mind engaged.

I started the year doing a lot of body weight exercises.. Then, in March, I did a few weeks of yoga.. In May, I started lifting weights to bulk up for summer. During the NBA playoffs, I just played basketball for about a month and did some light weights. Now, I am doing "complex" barbell workouts. In a few weeks, I will start running on the beach.

Having fun is an important part of my fitness routine.

*****

That said, sometimes, I don't want to have fun.

Sometimes, I want to struggle and suffer and just work hard.

I call this "grinding". When I feel like "grinding", I usually just get in the weight room, put my head down, and just work as intensely as I can.

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I listen to music and podcasts as I workout.

(06-23-2014 01:33 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Any article that talks about anti-aging without mentioning testosterone and HGH is garbage.

Are there any possible side effects to using HGH and/or testosterone???

Have you ever experienced any side effects?

Post: #43

(06-30-2014 02:40 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Are there any possible side effects to using HGH and/or testosterone???

Have you ever experienced any side effects?

All that and more is covered at the D&P TRT page.

Post: #44

(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  Lovejoy stop trolling and go read Mikes site.

Trolling? The guy made sense in everything he said. Yes, we all know drugs work very well, but there are still people out there that are interested in keeping young and healthy without shooting up steroids or going on TRT, so these articles are not "garbage" or "blue pill".

Post: #45

(07-12-2014 12:02 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

(06-28-2014 09:50 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  Lovejoy stop trolling and go read Mikes site.

Trolling? The guy made sense in everything he said. Yes, we all know drugs work very well, but there are still people out there that are interested in keeping young and healthy without shooting up steroids or going on TRT, so these articles are not "garbage" or "blue pill".

He was misquoting Mike and misrepresenting his site. I think his advice is sound but not complete. My trolling concern was in regards to the statement that Danger and Play/Mikes fitness advice is all about pumping yourself full of steroids.
The following are all twisting Mikes words and are not accurate about his advice:

Quote:Lovejoy:

The idea Steroids or HGH are a must for maintaining your health and muscles post 40.
...
Calling any article regarding anti aging that does not mention T or HGH garbage suggests that's exactly what you were saying.

...
Some here are too quick to jump on the juice wagon and blame low T before trying anything else or checking out other reasons for their symptoms