Post: #1

http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/06/19/d...K5HVhAY.99

Dear single men,

I was having a conversation with a friend recently. He’s about my age, he’s single, and he is, I can attest, an all around good dude. I hadn’t seen him in a while, so I asked about the status of his love life. He told me that he’s currently ‘hanging out’ with someone.

“What do you mean?” I asked.

“Well, we’ve hung out a few times. She’s great.”

“OK, so are you guys going out? Is she your girlfriend?”

“No. I don’t think so. But we’re hanging out. We’re talking.”

“Well, of course you’re speaking to each other. Do you talk to her on the phone? Do you see her a lot?”

“No, we mostly text. I’ve seen her a few times since we started hanging out.”

“So you only recently met her?”

“No, I’ve known her for a while, but we’ve only hung out a few times.”

“You never hung out with her before?”

“I did. But, I mean, since we started… Since we, you know, whatever.”

I left that conversation confused, because confusion is the name of the game these days. Everyone is confused. Being single means being confused. Everyone is so confused that they don’t even know what words to use when describing their relationships. USA Today did a survey of singles a while back, and they discovered something that’s been apparent for years: nobody has any idea what’s going on in their own love lives. Close to 70 percent don’t know if they’re on a date when they go on a date.

I guess that’s because most of you are too busy “hanging out.”

What is that, guys? How old are we?

It went from courting, to dating, to hanging out. Sometimes even hanging out reeks of too much commitment, in which case ‘talking’ can be used. And if talking sounds too serious, maybe we’ll start hearing ‘vicinitizing.’ That’s a word I just made up, and it means that you and your female friend are often in the same vicinity, but it doesn’t get all intense by insinuating that you’re actually in that general location together on purpose.

When did men become so afraid to make a commitment, to take the lead, to say what they want, to make long term plans, to set goals, to pursue, to talk about the future?

We are devolving into primates, losing the ability to even discuss our own behavior using words and sentences. The average single American man is now relegated to grunts and shrugs and ‘whatevers’ and ‘you knows’ when pressed to have a conversation about his dating habits. Or his vicinity habits. Or his whatever habits, because whatever, you know?

‘Hanging out’ is how we describe what we do with our buddies. Is that what you want? Do you want that beautiful woman to be your buddy? Or would you ideally prefer it if you could distinguish between your relationship with her and your relationship with your friend Steve?

I know you might tell me you can decipher between the two based on who you’re hooking up with, but I think that’s a problem. And, speaking of which, let’s chill with the ‘hooking up’ thing.

That phrase makes you sound like a teenager. Grown men relying on the vague, timid code words of high school freshmen. It’s embarrassing.

Time to end the nonsense, gentlemen. It’s time to be grown ups. It’s time to be men. I know this term really offends a lot of people nowadays, but truly, fellas, let’s man up.

Trust me, I’m not innocent. I’m married now, but I was once a part of this hazy, undefined dating-but-not-dating scene. I never liked it, because nobody does. I never found any happiness in it, because nobody does. But I was a part of the problem. I was a wimpy manchild, afraid of meaningful commitments, afraid of being alone, afraid of rejection, afraid of the future, afraid of being betrayed, afraid of being loved. Just afraid, really. Afraid of everything.

Then, one day, I met Alissa. She was looking for a grown man, and I was sick of playing games. We were both exhausted. So do you know what we did very early in our relationship?

We defined our terms.

We made our goals clear.

We were open with each other.

We spoke about the future.

We used words like ‘marriage.’

We were clear and convicted and purpose driven. I had ambitions for our relationship. Ambitions. I, like, had an idea about what I was doing and why I was doing it. Can you believe it? I was in it for a reason. I wanted it to become something.

See, I’d been floating like aimless debris through an ocean of cloudy intentions and half-heartedness, until I grew up and realized that romance isn’t a game, and most women aren’t frivolous bimbos. They want men who know what they want and aren’t afraid to verbalize it. And if they don’t want that, then they aren’t worth your energy. Get out now. If she still wants to pretend she’s in tenth grade, let her live that fantasy with someone else.

With Alissa, things were pretty clear from the get-go. We had a relationship. A real, live relationship. A few months into it, I proposed. Some people wait longer, which is fine. We’re all on our own schedule. But I promise you, despite popular sentiments, it doesn’t take a decade and a half to figure things out.

I had several failed dating ‘situations’ before I got married. Some collapsed within months, others took considerably longer. But all of them were eventually destroyed by problems that were clearly evident in the first, I don’t know, five minutes or so.

And, yes, I get it. Our disastrous modern approach to dating (or whatever) isn’t all the fault of men. But there’s no point in parceling out the blame. All you can do, single dudes, is get your own selves together. Take the lead.

Here’s some brutal honesty for you: if you ‘aren’t ready for something serious,’ then you need to go get yourself ready and leave these ladies alone until you do. You can’t go out and have sex (I mean, ‘hook up,’ as the middle schoolers at the lunch table might call it) and then claim that you ‘aren’t ready for something serious.’ It’s too late, friend. Sex is something serious.

Can you imagine if an airline pilot pulled that kind of stunt?

“Attention passengers This is your captain speaking. I just want to tell you that, like, I don’t want things to get weird or whatever, but I’m not really into being a captain right now. I mean, yeah, I chose to take a plane full of souls up 32 thousand feet in the air at crushing speeds of 600 miles per hour, but I don’t want you think that this is, like, official, you know? I’ve got your lives in my hands, but I don’t want this to get serious. In fact, actually, look, I’m just gonna bail now. I’ve got my parachute. You don’t but that’s your problem. I got what I wanted out of this. So, uh, yeah. Bye. Enjoy your fiery demise!”

Only, for this analogy to work, the captain would send that in a text message, because he lacks even the fortitude to verbalize it.

If you’re a grown man, get serious. What are you waiting for? You’re an adult now. It’s go time. Recess is over. If you still aren’t ready to be serious about love, that’s OK, but just stay out of it entirely in the meantime.

No matter what anyone does, or says, or thinks; no matter what we tell ourselves; no matter what society insists, romantic relationships are always serious business. Call it what you want — hanging out, talking, dating — there’s a woman’s heart involved in it. That means you have a responsibility, alright? You have a duty as a human being, as an adult, as a man.

She’s making herself vulnerable to you. You need to honor that, protect it. And if you aren’t looking for anything but cheap sex and another trophy of sexual conquest to hang on the wall in your studio apartment, then you need to protect her from yourself, because you’ll be bringing nothing but disappointment and chaos into her life.

Listen, there’s a lot of joy and love you’re missing out on when you spend years tumbling like a ball of weeds from one opaque hang out session to another. I know this from experience.

If you’re hanging out with a woman and you feel like you might be into her, tell her. Call her on the phone. Take her out on a date. Say the words: “I’d like to take you out.” No ambiguity. Plan the date yourself. Women want you to be decisive. Lose the whole “so waddaya wanna do tonight?” schtick. Take charge. Pick her up at 7. Pay for the meal. Have a conversation with her. Go mini golfing or something. Go somewhere. Open the door for her. Put your phone away. Open up to her. Share your ideas, your dreams, your fears. Get to know her. Pursue her. Pursue her. Invest yourself in the process, as scary and unsure as it may seem. Take a risk, gentlemen. Go out on a limb for once. Be purposeful. Be desirable. Be a man.

You wouldn’t go into a job interview and tell the interviewer that you aren’t sure if you want the job, and you don’t want to even talk about the job because it freaks you out and gives you a tummy ache, would you? So don’t do that to the women you’re dating, or hanging out with, or talking to, or whatever.

In the old days, they called it courting. It was a lot like dating, but with more of a point and less confusion. Maybe we should get back to that strategy.

Enough with hanging out and hooking up. We’re grown men. They’re grown women. They deserve more, and so do you.

Read more at http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/06/19/d...K5HVhAY.99

Post: #2

He is right, there is blame to go around for men and women, and we as men need to take the lead in relationships and in society at large. Women misbehave because we as men don't bring them into line. Feminism and all the social ills that evolved from it like single motherhood, divorce, abortion, the sexual revolution, are part a result of men stepping back and not only failing to lead, but failing to protect naturally irrational women from themselves.

Right now, in society at large, particularly among my generation, the millennials, but gen x as well, are abdicating our duty as assertive and dominant leaders. Being involuntary celibate for months on end just to hook up with a girl every once in a while or for that matter being a guy who sleeps with a new girl every couple of weeks won't make you happy, not in the long run. Nothing can substitute finding a wife and building a family. Without these things, a man is very empty.

Post: #3

I just read the last bit about being grown men and all could think of is:

Post: #4

Although this has some nuggets of good advice in there (define your goals, take the lead, say what you want, work together etc.) it's not exactly 1950 anymore and he completely ignores the massive elephant in the room that is Divorce Rape. And the fact that society beats up men constantly and tries to prevent them from doing these things 24-7 in America, particularly in the 'progressive' mainstream media. That and it basically tells all women that men are bad, not to be trusted, are screwing them over in the workplace and holding them back, etc.

The article is also written as if women who sleep around and ride the cock carousel throughout their lives will somehow transform into good, stable and faithful wives. Huh? Sure see how well works out.

(06-19-2014 06:20 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  He is right, there is blame to go around for men and women, and we as men need to take the lead in relationships and in society at large. Women misbehave because we as men don't bring them into line. Feminism and all the social ills that evolved from it like single motherhood, divorce, abortion, the sexual revolution, are part a result of men stepping back and not only failing to lead, but failing to protect naturally irrational women from themselves.

Right now, in society at large, particularly among my generation, the millennials, but gen x as well, are abdicating our duty as assertive and dominant leaders. Being involuntary celibate for months on end just to hook up with a girl every once in a while or for that matter being a guy who sleeps with a new girl every couple of weeks won't make you happy, not in the long run. Nothing can substitute finding a wife and building a family. Without these things, a man is very empty.

There are a lot of reasons why men can't 'step up' and lead but suffice it to say that the political and cultural norms in the US are so skewed against men doing that (and for women trying to 'be their own boss') that what you say rarely is happening. Many women in American are entitled, narcissistic, obese drugged up sluts that are essentially not worth marrying. That's why so many guys are going abroad to find women who are feminine & genuinely want to be with a man (and aren't told 24-7 they don't need a man) and also want to have kids at a reasonable age and take care of the kids too. Oh and also aren't 20-30+ pounds overweight and unhealthy, or are Feminists, or taking anti-depressants, or want to raise their kids in 'gender neutral' households...etc. etc.

Post: #5

Quote:Open the door for her. Put your phone away.

Laughed right there!! This guys hasn't been on a date recently!!

Post: #6

I don't know who this guy is, but he has a popular blog and positions himself as member of the progressive elite. Therefore, his writing is designed to gain status for himself rather than help others. It's like the recent post with the comedian mocking the manosphere. If you are at the apex of mangina-dom, through wearing your skinny jeans better than others, writing well, having connections, sucking dick on the down low, etc, you can spout platitudes and still get laid. For the rest of us though, trying harder to stick to the script will get us precisely nowhere. And we know that - that's what brought us here.

"Pull the lever!"
<jolt> ARGH!
"No, be persistent, pull it again!"
<jolt> AARGH!!
"You're not doing it right!"
<jolt> AARGH!!
"Sorry, guess you aren't good enough. But keep pulling on it!"

Post: #7

I got about a third of the way through the article and my eyes glazed over. I'm more interested in why he wrote the article. Do you reckon he got some from Alissa (his wife) after he showed her? Does he believe what he wrote? Or is it click bait?

Men will "man up" again when women "woman up" again. Simple as that.

Post: #8

(06-19-2014 06:00 PM)kaotic Wrote:  When did men become so afraid to make a commitment, to take the lead, to say what they want, to make long term plans, to set goals, to pursue, to talk about the future?

The day that women decided that any willingness to become committed was too beta and decided to have the entire offensive line of the college football team fuck her brains out instead.

Post: #9

(06-19-2014 07:23 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 06:00 PM)kaotic Wrote:  When did men become so afraid to make a commitment, to take the lead, to say what they want, to make long term plans, to set goals, to pursue, to talk about the future?

The day that women decided that any willingness to become committed was too beta and decided to have the entire offensive line of the college football team fuck her brains out instead.

He actually advocates that men sit on the sidelines until they are ready to "get serious" (by opening doors and hanging around jewellery store windows).

Meanwhile those lovely ladies are checking off their bucket list of the footballer, the tattoo artist, the powerful older married guy, etc.

Post: #10

The #1 rule of building relationships with women is that you can't request one - if the girl doesn't ask for it, she will think you're a little bitch for wanting to commit to her unasked.

The American woman is convinced that all men worth a damn must be cajoled and wrestled into a relationship - a man who INITIATES a relationship? There is clearly something wrong with him, she is sure of it. There's no quicker or surer way to destroy a girl's esteem for you then to outright ask her to be your girlfriend when she doesn't want that. And they don't want serious relationships lest their career or frenemy circles suffer.

Nowadays, a man asking a girl for a relationship to get into one makes as much sense as a woman initiating sex to get into a relationship.

Post: #11

(06-19-2014 06:56 PM)Akula Wrote:  Although this has some nuggets of good advice in there (define your goals, take the lead, say what you want, work together etc.) it's not exactly 1950 anymore and he completely ignores the massive elephant in the room that is Divorce Rape. And the fact that society beats up men constantly and tries to prevent them from doing these things 24-7 in America, particularly in the 'progressive' mainstream media. That and it basically tells all women that men are bad, not to be trusted, are screwing them over in the workplace and holding them back, etc.

The article is also written as if women who sleep around and ride the cock carousel throughout their lives will somehow transform into good, stable and faithful wives. Huh? Sure see how well works out.

(06-19-2014 06:20 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  He is right, there is blame to go around for men and women, and we as men need to take the lead in relationships and in society at large. Women misbehave because we as men don't bring them into line. Feminism and all the social ills that evolved from it like single motherhood, divorce, abortion, the sexual revolution, are part a result of men stepping back and not only failing to lead, but failing to protect naturally irrational women from themselves.

Right now, in society at large, particularly among my generation, the millennials, but gen x as well, are abdicating our duty as assertive and dominant leaders. Being involuntary celibate for months on end just to hook up with a girl every once in a while or for that matter being a guy who sleeps with a new girl every couple of weeks won't make you happy, not in the long run. Nothing can substitute finding a wife and building a family. Without these things, a man is very empty.

There are a lot of reasons why men can't 'step up' and lead but suffice it to say that the political and cultural norms in the US are so skewed against men doing that (and for women trying to 'be their own boss') that what you say rarely is happening. Many women in American are entitled, narcissistic, obese drugged up sluts that are essentially not worth marrying. That's why so many guys are going abroad to find women who are feminine & genuinely want to be with a man (and aren't told 24-7 they don't need a man) and also want to have kids at a reasonable age and take care of the kids too. Oh and also aren't 20-30+ pounds overweight and unhealthy, or are Feminists, or taking anti-depressants, or want to raise their kids in 'gender neutral' households...etc. etc.

He never mentioned anything about sluts, or committing to sluts to try and change them.

Also, if you think all women ride the carousel, you hang around bars too much. I think our view of women here is jaded, between hanging out at bars and clubs, and debating online sluts, fat positive feminists, sex positive feminists, and plain attention whores. Yes, the quality of women has clearly taken a decline, but society as a whole, both sexes have declined in quality(men are overweight, drugged up, and sleeping around at a similar rate to women). But refusing to get married because you may get divorced(which would be far less likely if you are masculine and understand game) or on the chance she might be a slut(I heard the average before getting married is 4, so many of the women you meet will have only 1 or 2 sexual partners). That just sounds depressing.

Our society has become so large, so atomized, so multicultural and thus lacking social bonds between one another, combine this with feminism, and you get the distrust not only between the sexes, but between individuals in society as a whole.

Post: #12

(06-19-2014 07:32 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 06:56 PM)Akula Wrote:  Although this has some nuggets of good advice in there (define your goals, take the lead, say what you want, work together etc.) it's not exactly 1950 anymore and he completely ignores the massive elephant in the room that is Divorce Rape. And the fact that society beats up men constantly and tries to prevent them from doing these things 24-7 in America, particularly in the 'progressive' mainstream media. That and it basically tells all women that men are bad, not to be trusted, are screwing them over in the workplace and holding them back, etc.

The article is also written as if women who sleep around and ride the cock carousel throughout their lives will somehow transform into good, stable and faithful wives. Huh? Sure see how well works out.

(06-19-2014 06:20 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  He is right, there is blame to go around for men and women, and we as men need to take the lead in relationships and in society at large. Women misbehave because we as men don't bring them into line. Feminism and all the social ills that evolved from it like single motherhood, divorce, abortion, the sexual revolution, are part a result of men stepping back and not only failing to lead, but failing to protect naturally irrational women from themselves.

Right now, in society at large, particularly among my generation, the millennials, but gen x as well, are abdicating our duty as assertive and dominant leaders. Being involuntary celibate for months on end just to hook up with a girl every once in a while or for that matter being a guy who sleeps with a new girl every couple of weeks won't make you happy, not in the long run. Nothing can substitute finding a wife and building a family. Without these things, a man is very empty.

There are a lot of reasons why men can't 'step up' and lead but suffice it to say that the political and cultural norms in the US are so skewed against men doing that (and for women trying to 'be their own boss') that what you say rarely is happening. Many women in American are entitled, narcissistic, obese drugged up sluts that are essentially not worth marrying. That's why so many guys are going abroad to find women who are feminine & genuinely want to be with a man (and aren't told 24-7 they don't need a man) and also want to have kids at a reasonable age and take care of the kids too. Oh and also aren't 20-30+ pounds overweight and unhealthy, or are Feminists, or taking anti-depressants, or want to raise their kids in 'gender neutral' households...etc. etc.

Also, if you think all women ride the carousel, you hang around bars too much.

Sure they do. A fatty might limit herself to five or fewer sexual partners, but a 7.5 or above (basically any woman we really want to be with) is going to have a sexual history like a deck of playing cards.

Any girl 7.5+ starts getting lots of male attention early on...real early. At 14 she is fielding male attention. Sure, relationships at that age are silly and stupid most of the time, but let's say she holds out to 16 before she kisses a guy.

No big deal, just a kiss.

She's not a slut yet, remember. She kisses a guy at 16 because he's her boyfriend. She's only interested in commitment. Then the quarterback of the football team breaks her heart. She moves onto the captain of the basketball team, who does the same thing after three months.

Finally, she finds true love with the star left wing on the hockey team and they go to prom together and date until they both end up at different colleges.

She's kept it pure though. Never went past second base. Good for her.

Then she finds out that the long distance thing really isn't working college seniors are so much cooler than her 19 year old boyfriend, who she can only talk on the phone with and never gets to see.

She breaks up with him. She's now kissed three guys and two of them have touched her boobs. Rather than feel like she's lost something special, she decided that a kiss isn't that special (not something she believed at 16) and that it's no big deal for a boyfriend to touch her boobies.

When she gets a new college boyfriend in October, she lets him touch her boobies right away, but within a month, she gives him a handjob.

He gets back together with his ex over Christmas, so it's time for a new boyfriend, when she gets over her heartbreak in March.

She gets a steady boyfriend, dates him until her junior year when she realizes that she's changed and then dumps him. Of course, with third base crossed with boyfriend 4, she starts having sex with boyfriend 5 because it just doesn't seem like a big deal.

Disappointed in missing out on certain hot guys during her two year relationship, she hooks up with two different guys over the course of five weeks.

She's now been with seven guys and had sex with three of them. She's 21.

By the time she graduates, she's had three false starts with new guys. She usually waits till the third date, because she regrets her hook ups and she's not a slut, but she's now taken dick from six guys.

This wasn't the plan when she met the love of her life (the football quarterback) when she was 16. It just kinda happened.

She graduates, moves to a different city to take a job.

Sex doesn't seem like a big deal any more. When she dates a new guy, they usually have sex by the third date, but if there is a special connection right away, she bangs them the first night.

She's picky, though, because she's not a slut, so she only has sex with three guys in the first year working in the new city. The dick count has reached 9.

She gets into a serious relationship for two years. Dick count is at 10.

Breaks up, has one random hook up, followed by two years of dating three different guys, but nothing works out.

She's 25 and the dick count is at 14.

No, she's not a slut, but she's now taken enough dick that she has a hard time remember all of them distinctly.

Imagine the dick count if she was a slut.

Three more mini-relationships later, she gets married at 28. The guy she marries isn't as much fun as the guys who porked her in college, but at least she isn't single like her career focused friends. She's a good girl.

Best part is, the hubby believes her when she tells him that she's only slept with four other guys. Including him, she's actually slept with 18.

Post: #13

Lol at this rant. I don't call hanging out a "date" because it isn't conducive to getting laid. Anything that suggests a relationship from the guy's end is automatically seen as beta.

Post: #14

"They're grown women. They deserve more"

Gotta call bullshit on that one. They may be grown physically but we all know that mental and physical age are two completely different things; they don't deserve a damn thing if they don't earn it.

Post: #15

(06-19-2014 07:58 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 07:32 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 06:56 PM)Akula Wrote:  Although this has some nuggets of good advice in there (define your goals, take the lead, say what you want, work together etc.) it's not exactly 1950 anymore and he completely ignores the massive elephant in the room that is Divorce Rape. And the fact that society beats up men constantly and tries to prevent them from doing these things 24-7 in America, particularly in the 'progressive' mainstream media. That and it basically tells all women that men are bad, not to be trusted, are screwing them over in the workplace and holding them back, etc.

The article is also written as if women who sleep around and ride the cock carousel throughout their lives will somehow transform into good, stable and faithful wives. Huh? Sure see how well works out.

(06-19-2014 06:20 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  He is right, there is blame to go around for men and women, and we as men need to take the lead in relationships and in society at large. Women misbehave because we as men don't bring them into line. Feminism and all the social ills that evolved from it like single motherhood, divorce, abortion, the sexual revolution, are part a result of men stepping back and not only failing to lead, but failing to protect naturally irrational women from themselves.

Right now, in society at large, particularly among my generation, the millennials, but gen x as well, are abdicating our duty as assertive and dominant leaders. Being involuntary celibate for months on end just to hook up with a girl every once in a while or for that matter being a guy who sleeps with a new girl every couple of weeks won't make you happy, not in the long run. Nothing can substitute finding a wife and building a family. Without these things, a man is very empty.

There are a lot of reasons why men can't 'step up' and lead but suffice it to say that the political and cultural norms in the US are so skewed against men doing that (and for women trying to 'be their own boss') that what you say rarely is happening. Many women in American are entitled, narcissistic, obese drugged up sluts that are essentially not worth marrying. That's why so many guys are going abroad to find women who are feminine & genuinely want to be with a man (and aren't told 24-7 they don't need a man) and also want to have kids at a reasonable age and take care of the kids too. Oh and also aren't 20-30+ pounds overweight and unhealthy, or are Feminists, or taking anti-depressants, or want to raise their kids in 'gender neutral' households...etc. etc.

Also, if you think all women ride the carousel, you hang around bars too much.

Sure they do. A fatty might limit herself to five or fewer sexual partners, but a 7.5 or above (basically any woman we really want to be with) is going to have a sexual history like a deck of playing cards.

Any girl 7.5+ starts getting lots of male attention early on...real early. At 14 she is fielding male attention. Sure, relationships at that age are silly and stupid most of the time, but let's say she holds out to 16 before she kisses a guy.

No big deal, just a kiss.

She's not a slut yet, remember. She kisses a guy at 16 because he's her boyfriend. She's only interested in commitment. Then the quarterback of the football team breaks her heart. She moves onto the captain of the basketball team, who does the same thing after three months.

Finally, she finds true love with the star left wing on the hockey team and they go to prom together and date until they both end up at different colleges.

She's kept it pure though. Never went past second base. Good for her.

Then she finds out that the long distance thing really isn't working college seniors are so much cooler than her 19 year old boyfriend, who she can only talk on the phone with and never gets to see.

She breaks up with him. She's now kissed three guys and two of them have touched her boobs. Rather than feel like she's lost something special, she decided that a kiss isn't that special (not something she believed at 16) and that it's no big deal for a boyfriend to touch her boobies.

When she gets a new college boyfriend in October, she lets him touch her boobies right away, but within a month, she gives him a handjob.

He gets back together with his ex over Christmas, so it's time for a new boyfriend, when she gets over her heartbreak in March.

She gets a steady boyfriend, dates him until her junior year when she realizes that she's changed and then dumps him. Of course, with third base crossed with boyfriend 4, she starts having sex with boyfriend 5 because it just doesn't seem like a big deal.

Disappointed in missing out on certain hot guys during her two year relationship, she hooks up with two different guys over the course of five weeks.

She's now been with seven guys and had sex with three of them. She's 21.

By the time she graduates, she's had three false starts with new guys. She usually waits till the third date, because she regrets her hook ups and she's not a slut, but she's now taken dick from six guys.

This wasn't the plan when she met the love of her life (the football quarterback) when she was 16. It just kinda happened.

She graduates, moves to a different city to take a job.

Sex doesn't seem like a big deal any more. When she dates a new guy, they usually have sex by the third date, but if there is a special connection right away, she bangs them the first night.

She's picky, though, because she's not a slut, so she only has sex with three guys in the first year working in the new city. The dick count has reached 9.

She gets into a serious relationship for two years. Dick count is at 10.

Breaks up, has one random hook up, followed by two years of dating three different guys, but nothing works out.

She's 25 and the dick count is at 14.

No, she's not a slut, but she's now taken enough dick that she has a hard time remember all of them distinctly.

Imagine the dick count is she was a slut.

Three more mini-relationships later, she gets married at 28. The guy she marries isn't as much fun as the guys who porked her in college, but at least she isn't single like her career focused friends. She's a good girl.

Best part is, the hubby believes her when she tells him that she's only slept with four other guys. Including him, she's actually slept with 18.

LOL

Post: #16

Both men and women need to sleep with a variety of partners before deciding to commit.

A girl needs to sleep with a bunch of guys to develop sexually and mature; Same thing goes for guys. Guys need to sleep with a variety of women to develop sexually and mature.

If everyone decided to commit to the first person they met there would be a lot of unhappy people.

Post: #17

"Why can't I meet a conservative minded marriageable girl plastered off her ass at a bar and tap that the first night I meet her? Somehow all I meet are sluts!"

This is the vibe I get from certain posters here.

Post: #18

(06-19-2014 08:31 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  "Why can't I meet a conservative minded marriageable girl plastered off her ass at a bar and tap that the first night I meet her? Somehow all I meet are sluts!"

This is the vibe I get from certain posters here.

A girl doesn't need to ever get plastered in her life, let alone participate in a one-night-stand in order to add up a dick count that pushes her out of the recommendable marriage material marketplace.

Post: #19

I wouldn't call him a a member of the progressive elite -- he is sometimes included in red pill blogs. He is a fairly conservative Christian blogger, more along the lines of a younger Dalrock, perhaps.

He is DEFINITELY not a male feminist. Here is a recent post of his --
Christian women: feminism is not your friend


You may disagree with this particular post, but you will probably find him more of an ally than a foe in many things. He does frequently tell women to "woman up" and stop sleeping around.

Post: #20

I was trying to find a pic of the guy to see how much of a tool he was.

Came across this link http://whatismattwalshwrongabouttoday.com/

Post: #21

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Every single time.

Post: #22

(06-19-2014 08:34 PM)trian1 Wrote:  I wouldn't call him a a member of the progressive elite -- he is culled on manosphere.com. He is a fairly conservative Christian blogger, more along the lines of a younger Dalrock, perhaps.

He is DEFINITELY not a male feminist. Here is a recent post of his --
Christian women: feminism is not your friend


You may disagree with this particular post, but you will probably find him more of an ally than a foe in many things. He does frequently tell women to "woman up" and stop sleeping around.

Oh shit. I was assuming he was a liberal or something. I guess he is not going to be baited by my troll comment that I left under a fake name there, implying he is a homosexual.

Post: #23

(06-19-2014 07:32 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  But refusing to get married because you may get divorced(which would be far less likely if you are masculine and understand game) or on the chance she might be a slut(I heard the average before getting married is 4, so many of the women you meet will have only 1 or 2 sexual partners).

Please report back after you get married under U.S. law to reign over with your masculine wisdom.

Finding a 7+ without 5+ partners by 22-23 in major metro U.S. areas (even the outskirts) is pretty f'ing rare in my experience.

Post: #24

(06-19-2014 08:22 PM)velkrum Wrote:  If everyone decided to commit to the first person they met there would be a lot of unhappy people.

Are you saying society has more happy people now, then back then when it comes to relationships?

Post: #25

(06-19-2014 08:31 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  "Why can't I meet a conservative minded marriageable girl plastered off her ass at a bar and tap that the first night I meet her? Somehow all I meet are sluts!"

This is the vibe I get from certain posters here.

This is raging purple pill. Of someone who clearly hasn't gamed the spectrum of 7+ girls in America from and in all environments.

Most poster's here just don't go to the bars or clubs and find ONS sluts all the time.

Many posters do a mix of all game including myself.

I've met girls through church groups, social/activity clubs, online, day game campus, coffee shop, the street, my street, the beach, friends of friends, friends of family members. Bars and clubs as well.

The bottom line is the VAST majority of 7+ U.S. girls by the time they are in their early to mid 20s (the time to lock a girl down) have had 5+ dicks in intercourse. This doesn't count BJ's, sloppy makeouts, LMR resistances.

Asian, Black, rich, poor, educated, high school drop out, shy, outgoing, it doesn't matter.

Even many of the biggest shy 7+ girls you open up in conversation at one point had a wild summer or year where they banged 3-5 guys in quick succession. The ratio of 7+ girls compared to men is so low even the ones that never go out or party get dick thrown at them all the time.

I don't hate on them. They are usually very fun to hang out with and the sex can be thrilling. They just aren't marriage material.