Post: #1

Hi vets,
Im over 35+, 6’2’’ (1.86 cm), fit body, face is 6. I am introverted mostly and not much social in my whole life. I had been beta and chode all my life until I learnt game.
I am in game for more than 2 years. I started to approach girls 14 months ago. I want to make some reflections about my approaches.
1- Since I hit mostly girls younger more than 10 years of me, I use indirect method. I live in a conservative and strong social groups state, and I am approaching only local girls. Since I dont have value before the approach, I dont believe direct method is suitable for me. To be honest, I dont have courage to say one of the local 15 year younger girls “you are georgeous”. It seems to me they didnt deserve it, and if i say it i will be seen as creepy.
2-I have dates with some girls, but no girl was relationship material. Many of them were in 5-6s range. 7s and upper just were out of my reach. Now Im focusing on my style and lifestyle to hit upper range young girls. Until now Im not successful. Maybe they are out of my league. Many young girls think that I am old for them I guess, since this is a conservtive region.
3-All of numbers were from malls, supermarkets, bookstores etc. I made Street apporaches as well asking “ where is nereast starbucks” and for transition “ you have Accent”, “you have nice style” etc. From streets I didnt get any number until now. Street game is not for me I guess. It needs more direct style, I wonder is there any guy who is successful on Street from Indirect Approach.
My 2 problems are
1-I have difficulty to reach the hook point from street game by using indirect approach. Anybody successful on streets by Indirect Game? If so, what kind of method do you use?
2-Until now, I couldnt get date with 7s and above girls. Do you think they are out of my league? Or should i persist approaching more, since my calibration will be better in future maybe? 7s and above reject or flakes later..

Post: #2

First thing is you have to stop believing your ceiling is a 7. I would start by doing something or getting involved something that surrounds yourself with an opportunity to talk to good looking girls.

I've heard yoga is good for meeting girls, don't know if you'd be interested but I think there was a yoga game thread.

Post: #3

Look at the man in the mirror...if you were a 25 yo would you want to fuck him??

That's the question you should be asking yourself.

Work on your style. Do not wear 'old man's clothes'! Wear something that the women you approach will find 'cool', classy or attractive.

Try shaving more and using cosmetic products to make yourself look a bit younger.

Start working out, get ripped and walk around flaunting your guns

Post: #4

Remember your value as a man is infinite. You are the master of your universe. You have active and interesting hobbies and past times. You are a master of your craft and/or career. You know that your looks don't matter, only your abilities and personality. There is no league. You are not intimidated by a woman's physical beauty. You dress well because you take yourself seriously. You don't care if an individual woman finds you attractive or not, because you know that you have options because of your intrinsic value and talents. You have exciting plans that you do on the weekends and women can join you in those plans or not, but you could care less if they decide not to. They join your ride, not you theirs.

Post: #5

(06-13-2014 01:55 AM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  First thing is you have to stop believing your ceiling is a 7. I would start by doing something or getting involved something that surrounds yourself with an opportunity to talk to good looking girls.

I've heard yoga is good for meeting girls, don't know if you'd be interested but I think there was a yoga game thread.

It's a pleasant surprise... banging a girl at a level you thought you couldn't reach. You recalibrate, and you realize that a lot of it is just in your head (within certain wide but reasonable constraints). It makes you choosier than you were before, which makes you more attractive, which improves your results again... a virtuous cycle.

Post: #6

(06-13-2014 01:55 AM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  First thing is you have to stop believing your ceiling is a 7. I would start by doing something or getting involved something that surrounds yourself with an opportunity to talk to good looking girls.

I've heard yoga is good for meeting girls, don't know if you'd be interested but I think there was a yoga game thread.

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Yoga is very good for you anyway, even if you don't get to game any girls.

Post: #7

Send your pic to me in PM. I will rate your face.

Post: #8

Not a vet but I will give you my two cents.

- Your lifestyle needs to be on lockdown for the 20-something 7+ to notice you. It's a sellers market. I have noticed these girls want to be treated, no guys between 20-25 are banking enough for them to buy into the dream. Sell them the dream. You don't even need to be rich as fuck.

- Work on your social skills. This comes through interacting a lot with people. Start small, speak to the girl at the till, ask your taxi driver how his day is. Talk to people. At the same time, you should be networking with guys in the know, having decent connections and be a guy who offers value. Not only will this make you more attractive (value is key) but it will grant access to more areas where the 7+s are. Status is attractive, social skills and charm will give you plenty.

- Work on your confidence. Become delusionally confident and let your frame speak for itself. You asked if we believe these girls are out of your league. If you are asking then I am afraid yes. You can get away with anything if you believe it enough, the world is your own domain.

To answer your 2 questions.

1. Indirect is probably the easiest. Ask for directions, ask if that orange juice is good to buy, say you recognize them, give them hugs because it's random acts of kindness day (everyone will believe you), do anything, but just be able to bullshit and ramble. This comes back to your social skills. The first 60 seconds (if you're not adonis) will be difficult and this comes back to your confidence. You got this shit. I will look at them up and down and randomly comment on whatever grabs my attention. I will accentuate the stuff that we get along about, I will tease her about the silly thing she said. I like to practice in the elevators of my building as it doesn't allow for a lot of conversation. I will always chat with people in the elevator.

Use your strengths, your posts indicate you are a foreigner in a country. Think about it, how can you use this to your advantage? Only you can answer these questions.

Get her number on the high point, when she is laughing or whatever. If you feel its on and you ride the momentum, you can instadate as well.

2. Repetition is the father of success, never stop approaching.

Post: #9

All of the replies are very helpful in general. Thanks dudes.

Let me explain myself more. Im 38 now. My first language is not English. In all my life before game, I was not able to talk with strangers.
Now for the topics.

In 14 months I made many approaches in day and got some dates. Dates were not longer than 1 month. For most, I didnt want relation with these girls, since they were 6s at most. Also, I am not in game for pussy. My aim is to get quality girlfriend. Before game, all my gfs were from social groups, so I thought if I can take numbers like that, It would be better in future and I would be able to reach 7s and upper. So I continued to approach.
Unfortunately, until now I am not able to reach them. Because I work 9-5, approaching girls take time from social life. I ignored my social life. If your only fun in life becomes approaching girls, approach quality drops, become monotonous.. It becomes something like work. It resulted in approach to number ratio to decline.
In the beginning, my aim was to learn game and everything was excitement for me. Now, since I am more goal oriented (finding girlfriend material), it makes me outcome dependent. It kills my vibe and it affects approach to number ratio.

To get rid of monotonous approaches and to feel excitement again, I decided to try different venue. I was at the malls, grocery stores etc., now I goto streets. However street game is different animal, all girls go to somewhere, and they are busy by walking.

My approach:
Girl and me walk in opposite way, when 3 meters away I open, she stops and turn to me, I turn to her as well, and we are face to face. After opener I use transition, and she doesnt hook. If I use "where is near starbucks" as opener, they want to answer in the shortest possible way, and it kills my vibe. After their reply, I say "you have different style, accent" etc. But they dont hook. If I would use the same method for the standing girls, they would hook probably.Maybe I should use false time constraint on street. I t would show them I will not take their time and Im not seller or bum on street.

I am not able to kill their momentum on street. In addition, I dont have courage to use direct for the girls 15 years younger than me. On streets If I get more aggressive and continue to talk after opener, I feel like creepy, I easily eject. I see the girl start moving, and I dont want to take their time I guess.

Yoga is not for me, and I dont believe in joining activities only for the girls. I want to be successful by cold approach.

Post: #10

(06-17-2014 02:53 PM)purplelake02 Wrote:  My approach:
Girl and me walk in opposite way, when 3 meters away I open, she stops and turn to me, I turn to her as well, and we are face to face. After opener I use transition, and she doesnt hook. If I use "where is near starbucks" as opener, they want to answer in the shortest possible way, and it kills my vibe. After their reply, I say "you have different style, accent" etc. But they dont hook. If I would use the same method for the standing girls, they would hook probably.Maybe I should use false time constraint on street. I t would show them I will not take their time and Im not seller or bum on street.

I am not able to kill their momentum on street. In addition, I dont have courage to use direct for the girls 15 years younger than me. On streets If I get more aggressive and continue to talk after opener, I feel like creepy, I easily eject. I see the girl start moving, and I dont want to take their time I guess.

Yoga is not for me, and I dont believe in joining activities only for the girls. I want to be successful by cold approach.

I commend your efforts however your approach is unnatural. At least if you are walking in the same direction and you slow down your pace (buys you time, same direction) your method would be 15x more successful.

I suggest reading up Giovonny's posts on day game.

Otherwise, practice practice practice. Every moment is an opportunity.

The day/night game dichotomy has become a bit too polarizing for me. I just approach whenever I see a girl I want to speak to.

Post: #11

(06-22-2014 04:21 AM)Noir Wrote:  

(06-17-2014 02:53 PM)purplelake02 Wrote:  My approach:
Girl and me walk in opposite way, when 3 meters away I open, she stops and turn to me, I turn to her as well, and we are face to face. After opener I use transition, and she doesnt hook. If I use "where is near starbucks" as opener, they want to answer in the shortest possible way, and it kills my vibe. After their reply, I say "you have different style, accent" etc. But they dont hook. If I would use the same method for the standing girls, they would hook probably.Maybe I should use false time constraint on street. I t would show them I will not take their time and Im not seller or bum on street.

I am not able to kill their momentum on street. In addition, I dont have courage to use direct for the girls 15 years younger than me. On streets If I get more aggressive and continue to talk after opener, I feel like creepy, I easily eject. I see the girl start moving, and I dont want to take their time I guess.

Yoga is not for me, and I dont believe in joining activities only for the girls. I want to be successful by cold approach.

I commend your efforts however your approach is unnatural. At least if you are walking in the same direction and you slow down your pace (buys you time, same direction) your method would be 15x more successful.

I suggest reading up Giovonny's posts on day game.

Otherwise, practice practice practice. Every moment is an opportunity.

The day/night game dichotomy has become a bit too polarizing for me. I just approach whenever I see a girl I want to speak to.

If I walk in the same direction, I am not able to check out the girl. I want to see the talent before the approach. In addition, if I walk alongside her, she will not stop, and I guess if the girl stops, she shows investment.

Im not sure, I will try what you suggest too..