Post: #1

Duh. They simply don't ask:

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/14/133599768/...n-hesitate

Employers aren't going to give you anymore money than they have to in order to keep you working. Men are more likely to be aggressive in asking for raises. Women are not. It isn't sexism. Bookmark this article and refer to it next time feminist bring up the sexism in pay argument.

Post: #2

In my industry a lot of people are being paid hourly, so I have no idea how could a woman make less than a man while doing the same amount of work.

Post: #3

Good article. This shit played out in my last corporate job (hopefully ever), where I was the highest paid worker-bee in the department because I had the iron balls to negotiate like a champ when they offered me the job. I came one hair short of being told to fuck off before accepting the job grudgingly. As a consequence, I was pulling 10-15K more than people that had been there for 7-10 years before I got there. When bonus time came around, my shit was also larger. I used to tell my female co-workers (good friends of mine) this exact principle, and they agreed--this is one time where being an aggressive, corporate bitch-cunt pays off.

The disturbing part of that article was: "In one recent role-play, a student named Deborah wants to ask her ex-husband for an advance in child support."

Holy shit! You can get an advance on child support? For you raw-doggers out there (e.g., Roosh): think twice about where you dip. You may end up with a fuckin' PAYROLL expense!

Post: #4

I love the way Bill Burr put it... "It's a dollar an hour surcharge."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...tug#t=139s

Here's another version:

http://comedians.jokes.com/bill-burr/vid...woman-show

Post: #5

(02-14-2011 08:21 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Good article. This shit played out in my last corporate job (hopefully ever), where I was the highest paid worker-bee in the department because I had the iron balls to negotiate like a champ when they offered me the job. I came one hair short of being told to fuck off before accepting the job grudgingly.

Same here. In every company I worked for so far in USA I always got four week paid vacation. Apparently it is much easier to negotiate a longer vacation than extra $10K in salary. Then the guys ask how come I got four weeks, and my question was, like, did you ever ask? and they always say "no". Well, it is like sex - if you ask, you may or you may not get one. But if you don't ask, you won't get one for sure. No surprise.

Post: #6

(02-17-2011 07:19 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Same here. In every company I worked for so far in USA I always got four week paid vacation. Apparently it is much easier to negotiate a longer vacation than extra $10K in salary. Then the guys ask how come I got four weeks, and my question was, like, did you ever ask? and they always say "no". Well, it is like sex - if you ask, you may or you may not get one. But if you don't ask, you won't get one for sure. No surprise.

I think that's only going to work if the unemployment rate for your particular sector is very low. Or if you have some niche that's difficult to fill. The average person with an average job is easily replaceable in this shitty economy so getting really demanding at an interview may not be the best strategy for everyone. You have to access your own leverage in the job market and take it on a case by case basis.

Post: #7

(02-14-2011 08:21 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Good article. This shit played out in my last corporate job (hopefully ever), where I was the highest paid worker-bee in the department because I had the iron balls to negotiate like a champ when they offered me the job. I came one hair short of being told to fuck off before accepting the job grudgingly. As a consequence, I was pulling 10-15K more than people that had been there for 7-10 years before I got there. When bonus time came around, my shit was also larger. I used to tell my female co-workers (good friends of mine) this exact principle, and they agreed--this is one time where being an aggressive, corporate bitch-cunt pays off.

The disturbing part of that article was: "In one recent role-play, a student named Deborah wants to ask her ex-husband for an advance in child support."

Holy shit! You can get an advance on child support? For you raw-doggers out there (e.g., Roosh): think twice about where you dip. You may end up with a fuckin' PAYROLL expense!

Or u can get so many bitches pregnant, they don't get shit from ur payroll.

Post: #8

(02-14-2011 06:47 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Duh. They simply don't ask:

In Finland it's because the women work only 76 % of the hours that men work annually. Women also work less overtime than men.

Post: #9

The sex difference boils down to:

Fewer hours worked
Lower paying industries
Less education/credentials/experience
Taking more time off

And like you said, negotiation.

There are also industries where women get paid MORE - there are reports that women earn more overall in their 20s, before they've taken off time to be a mother and so on - link. Every engineering company wants to boast of having female engineers, so they get bid up. Or the men can't get jobs at all - look at the service industry where store managers would not even consider hiring a man. Of course, there's no way to prove it, but everyone knows it happens. I understand why they do it, and it shouldn't be barred, but neither should pro-male discrimination. Plus if she's really desperate, she could always get a Mormon sugar daddy who won't even fuck her. Try that as a dude.

(02-17-2011 08:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(02-17-2011 07:19 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  Same here. In every company I worked for so far in USA I always got four week paid vacation. Apparently it is much easier to negotiate a longer vacation than extra $10K in salary. Then the guys ask how come I got four weeks, and my question was, like, did you ever ask? and they always say "no". Well, it is like sex - if you ask, you may or you may not get one. But if you don't ask, you won't get one for sure. No surprise.

I think that's only going to work if the unemployment rate for your particular sector is very low. Or if you have some niche that's difficult to fill. The average person with an average job is easily replaceable in this shitty economy so getting really demanding at an interview may not be the best strategy for everyone. You have to access your own leverage in the job market and take it on a case by case basis.

You're generally supposed to avoid negotiating until you have the job offer, though you can request a salary range just to make sure they're not wasting your time. If you ask for a little too much after you have the job offer, they will rarely retract the job offer outright - they'll just tell you you're asking too much.

As for the extra vacation, plenty of companies have very set corporate policies that are standard across the entire company. You have to figure out what can be changed for you and what can't. Usually salary is negotiable, although for entry levels sometimes nothing at all is negotiable.