Post: #1

I just finished reading Roosh's latest post.

In case you haven't read it, the cliff's are:

- The media is blaming the killings on Game.

- In fact, nobody would have been killed if Elliot Rodger knew game.

- Society deprives men of sexual options by cutting off traditional career-based methods to get a wife, while at the same time upholding prostitution bans.

- Society also shames men for their urges in the universities, the media, and so on.

This really got me thinking...

... The problem in our current society seems ridiculously obvious. More and more men are becoming degenerate and messed up in the head because they feel unwanted by society. At the same time, even obvious "fixes" like allowing prostitution, are denied.

I don't need to explain why I think/feel this way. I'd only be preaching to the converted.

So my question is: why is it so hard to get through to these people who can't see the problem for what it is?

I can't for a minute believe that they genuinely "don't know" what the problem is. The nature of the problem has been spelled out so many times, and while it's more common to hear feminist talking points, anybody who's not totally insane can see that most feminists are batshit insane ideologues. So I don't believe for a minute that people in America don't know what's up.

So the question becomes, why are people TOO SCARED to acknowledge the real problem?

This, I feel is getting at the real heart of the matter. Anybody with two eyes can see how young men are getting fucked up the ass in America. For some reason, people are just scared of the disapproval that comes with saying this out loud.

Why?

I don't claim to know the full answer.

But I think I know at least part of it.

It comes down to men being so scared of being perceived as "weak."

Remember that quote from the "Manipulated Man" author (forget her name), "the illusion of strength is mens' greatest weakness, the illusion of weakness is womens' greatest strength?"

As time goes on, the more I live and experience, the more I see that as true.

It seems like the need to not be seen as a pussy prevents a lot of men from standing up for themselves, morally. A lot of men are perfectly willing to punch someone, yet unwilling to admit they got their feelings hurt, or even got fucked over. A woman who got scammed says "fuck I got scammed!" A man who got scammed may never tell anyone, because he's scared of looking like an idiot.

That's a bit of a digression, but I'll tie it into the broader point now:

It seems like in America, more than in any other society, this male "dick fear" (to use George Carlin's terminology) is worse than in any other society. I feel like, as a non-American Anglo, I'm in a unique place to comment on this. American men seem uniquely scared of being seen as a loser. Look at all these white dudes who are obsessed with cuckoldry. Look at all the steroid abuse. Look at the obsession with penis size. I've always been amazed at how frequently american men refer to competitive situations using S&M style language (so and so "got fucked in the ass" and so on). Also, White American men are SO SCARED of black men. You see this in other countries to an extent, but in America, it's like a cultural epidemic. And I think it all comes down to that fear of being "less than a man."

How does this tie into my point?

Basically this:

It seems like this fear of being "less than a man" is a big part of why American Women are getting away with so much BS. It seems like American men really take it out on themselves for the fact that feminists have run roughshod over them. They can't say what they think out loud, because that would be to admit that the feminists have "gotten to them." And hey, can you really be a REAL MAN if some LITTLE GIRL gets to you? You know what I'm saying?

I think this is a big part of the problem.

But I'm open to other ideas, of course!

Post: #2

(05-25-2014 07:29 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  I just finished reading Roosh's latest post.

In case you haven't read it, the cliff's are:

- The media is blaming the killings on Game.

- In fact, nobody would have been killed if Elliot Rodger knew game.

- Society deprives men of sexual options by cutting off traditional career-based methods to get a wife, while at the same time upholding prostitution bans.

- Society also shames men for their urges in the universities, the media, and so on.

This really got me thinking...

... The problem in our current society seems ridiculously obvious. More and more men are becoming degenerate and messed up in the head because they feel unwanted by society. At the same time, even obvious "fixes" like allowing prostitution, are denied.

I don't need to explain why I think/feel this way. I'd only be preaching to the converted.

So my question is: why is it so hard to get through to these people who can't see the problem for what it is?

I can't for a minute believe that they genuinely "don't know" what the problem is. The nature of the problem has been spelled out so many times, and while it's more common to hear feminist talking points, anybody who's not totally insane can see that most feminists are batshit insane ideologues. So I don't believe for a minute that people in America don't know what's up.

So the question becomes, why are people TOO SCARED to acknowledge the real problem?

This, I feel is getting at the real heart of the matter. Anybody with two eyes can see how young men are getting fucked up the ass in America. For some reason, people are just scared of the disapproval that comes with saying this out loud.

Why?

I don't claim to know the full answer.

But I think I know at least part of it.

It comes down to men being so scared of being perceived as "weak."

Remember that quote from the "Manipulated Man" author (forget her name), "the illusion of strength is mens' greatest weakness, the illusion of weakness is womens' greatest strength?"

As time goes on, the more I live and experience, the more I see that as true.

It seems like the need to not be seen as a pussy prevents a lot of men from standing up for themselves, morally. A lot of men are perfectly willing to punch someone, yet unwilling to admit they got their feelings hurt, or even got fucked over. A woman who got scammed says "fuck I got scammed!" A man who got scammed may never tell anyone, because he's scared of looking like an idiot.

That's a bit of a digression, but I'll tie it into the broader point now:

It seems like in America, more than in any other society, this male "dick fear" (to use George Carlin's terminology) is worse than in any other society. I feel like, as a non-American Anglo, I'm in a unique place to comment on this. American men seem uniquely scared of being seen as a loser. Look at all these white dudes who are obsessed with cuckoldry. Look at all the steroid abuse. Look at the obsession with penis size. I've always been amazed at how frequently american men refer to competitive situations using S&M style language (so and so "got fucked in the ass" and so on). Also, White American men are SO SCARED of black men. You see this in other countries to an extent, but in America, it's like a cultural epidemic. And I think it all comes down to that fear of being "less than a man."

How does this tie into my point?

Basically this:

It seems like this fear of being "less than a man" is a big part of why American Women are getting away with so much BS. It seems like American men really take it out on themselves for the fact that feminists have run roughshod over them. They can't say what they think out loud, because that would be to admit that the feminists have "gotten to them." And hey, can you really be a REAL MAN if some LITTLE GIRL gets to you? You know what I'm saying?

I think this is a big part of the problem.

But I'm open to other ideas, of course!

You've asked THE question of life.

I've asked this a dozen times about other issues, large and small.

What I've learned, as a graybeard, is this: People ALWAYS wait till the train crashes. They NEVER prevent it.

Never.

So don't try to convince people. Don't try to be a prophet. Even if you're right 100% of the time, it NEVER matters.

The world is a series of train wrecks. That's how it runs.

So Andy, what should you do? Just get out of the way, let the crash happen, and then step back in with tools and services to repair the damage. Make money off it.

Post: #3

(05-25-2014 07:29 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  But I'm open to other ideas, of course!

A large percentage of the population is irrational, stupid and self-destructive with regards to their own lives, so it's wasted energy expecting them to know what's good for society, which would only exist to them as an abstract concept anyway, and that's the smarter ones who can think beyond 'If I'm happy, everyone is happy'.

Let the anger go, and concentrate on improving yourself as a man. The killings are already receding from the MSM headlines here, in favour of Buzzfeed-style drivel of 'The 21 best #Selfies from Kimye's wedding' and 'The 5 Best Game Of Thrones Fight Scenes'.

Post: #4

"--against stupidity the god themselves struggle in vain"
--Goethe

Of course , the stupid ones are never US....

Post: #5

(05-25-2014 07:29 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  It seems like in America, more than in any other society, this male "dick fear" (to use George Carlin's terminology) is worse than in any other society. I feel like, as a non-American Anglo, I'm in a unique place to comment on this. American men seem uniquely scared of being seen as a loser. Look at all these white dudes who are obsessed with cuckoldry. Look at all the steroid abuse. Look at the obsession with penis size. I've always been amazed at how frequently american men refer to competitive situations using S&M style language (so and so "got fucked in the ass" and so on). Also, White American men are SO SCARED of black men. You see this in other countries to an extent, but in America, it's like a cultural epidemic. And I think it all comes down to that fear of being "less than a man."

America is obessed with the superficial image of hyper masculinity and individualism. When in reality America deep down is a shame driven and collectivist culture that's broken down into sub scenes. That's why there's such an emphasis on in-groups, cliques, and things like team sports at an early age. America views competition as largely a zero sum game ie. "I win so that must mean you absolutely must lose and if you are miserable that makes my victory so much sweeter." This theme is repeated a lot in films, in culture, and in the media in general.

This forum is all about being genuinely masculine but there is such a thing as "fake" masculinity. Putting it on for its own sake to impress other guys and protect a fragile ego.

Post: #6

Every civilization collapsed when women got privileges and consequence free law system. Rome, Greece all went to shit when their men lost upper hand and women got free to fuck around. The collapse is inevitable and powerful people are making sure it happens. Adapt, use what you can use and make sure your genes are continued, that's all you can do.

Post: #7

Yes, there is a way, but you wouldn't want to hear the answer.