Post: #4551

(07-07-2015 01:57 AM)carolinasmash Wrote:  Online dating is fucking boring and it's not being a boss in any way shape or form, I have a friend who is 6'5" and jacked and just banged out a busted morbidly obese Indian chick without cause in my mind (they watched sitcoms afterwards) made me sick listening to the story.

Well, I guess if one is determined to follow the path of least resistance there's always something waiting for you. For my part, I don't sleep well when I sell myself short like that.

Quote:Why subject yourself to limitations like online dating. I'm sure there are some diamonds in the rough but I think it's a total time kill unless your pipe-lining overseas for a short stay. There is no point to online dating. Think about it, if the girl is getting enough attention in the real world then why the fuck would she be online. You want a girl every man wants not just some rando attention whore who does not care enough about herself to garner enough attention in the real world that she is resorting to online dating to find the "right" man.

The problem is, in the area where I live 90% of the girls under 30 you meet in real life out and about or at bars are the "I just graduated from community college with a degree in communications and I love dogs and my family and I deserve a Real Man™ for a long-term relationship" type and are generally intolerable. They're just as bad as the online dating site attention whores in a lot of ways (they're all on some kind of social media validating in some way or another), and while they're all flakey, a few of the online chicks actually seem to be more self-aware and have somewhat better attitudes. It might be OK, if you could actually get them off their computers and phones and out on dates, that is.

Post: #4552

(07-07-2015 08:14 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:57 AM)carolinasmash Wrote:  Online dating is fucking boring and it's not being a boss in any way shape or form, I have a friend who is 6'5" and jacked and just banged out a busted morbidly obese Indian chick without cause in my mind (they watched sitcoms afterwards) made me sick listening to the story.

Well, I guess if one is determined to follow the path of least resistance there's always something waiting for you. For my part, I don't sleep well when I sell myself short like that.

Quote:Why subject yourself to limitations like online dating. I'm sure there are some diamonds in the rough but I think it's a total time kill unless your pipe-lining overseas for a short stay. There is no point to online dating. Think about it, if the girl is getting enough attention in the real world then why the fuck would she be online. You want a girl every man wants not just some rando attention whore who does not care enough about herself to garner enough attention in the real world that she is resorting to online dating to find the "right" man.

The problem is, in the area where I live 90% of the girls under 30 you meet in real life out and about or at bars are the "I just graduated from community college with a degree in communications and I love dogs and my family and I deserve a Real Man™ for a long-term relationship" type and are generally intolerable. They're just as bad as the online dating site attention whores in a lot of ways (they're all on some kind of social media validating in some way or another), and while they're all flakey, a few of the online chicks actually seem to be more self-aware and have somewhat better attitudes. It might be OK, if you could actually get them off their computers and phones and out on dates, that is.

That was pretty much every girl I met through online dating. I will admit I do, do some online dating but not through dating sites. This might or might not work for you as I live in a major city but my favorite method is throwing up a gender neutral ad on craigslist that I'm looking for a native (insert language here) speaker to tutor me please be between these ages as i want to learn about the norms and culture within this age group.

Then I wait for the emails to start rolling in. After I get a few prospects I'll generally do a quick phone screen to get their names and background which allows me to look them up on social media sites. once I find a few that look like decent prospects I'll schedule a single "test" lesson which will cost less than 30 bucks (cost of a cheap date) if they seem good to go at the lesson I'll typically not set up a new one and wait a week or so then message them and say "hey sorry I have not been in touch I enrolled and a course at my local college but really enjoyed talking with you and would love to take you out to dinner for wasting your time." If I was good enough at proving my value in the lesson I typically won't get rejected for this advance. From there it's on me to escalate. But when they agree to dinner in this type of scenario you pretty much know you're in.

This works very very well in my experience and is more reliable for screening out to get what you want. Especially if you target EE and Asian languages. But there is no shortage of J1 girls in my city looking for under the table work. I've also tried this with modeling. Where I put up an ad requesting a model for few corporate shots for my company. (non-nude) and request a full body shot (clothed) (keep it non threatening) I'll put pay TBD to weed out the pro's. After that I'll offer 50 bucks or something for 30 - 45 minutes and then I'll typically escalate after I take a few stupid pictures with my phone. Super simple and highly effective method which trumps Okstupid, I'd rather lose 25 - 50 bucks on an 8+ than lose it on a date with some desperate 6 I met online. As for knowing if their single or not.... typically a girl who is claimed won't be going around doing odd jobs to make ends meet.

Post: #4553

Interesting way to reel 'em in. Whats the success ratio, and, if you don't mind, how much have you spent in total?

Post: #4554

(07-07-2015 10:40 AM)Druber Wrote:  Interesting way to reel 'em in. Whats the success ratio, and, if you don't mind, how much have you spent in total?

I got 2 bangs and one on rotation out 5 using the modeling scheme,

I'm doing to tutoring scheme currently and out of 4 I have gotten 1 bang from an Asian 7.5 and currently working on one Russian and one Ukrainian both 8's by my standard - the Russian has some dental issues but not terrible. I think both will close as both agreed to dinner.

In the past I did not really keep count but I'll conservatively say 40 percent chance if your game is tight. The nice thing to if you're feeling off the day of the first meeting you can reschedule unlike regular dating where that can lead to flaking. Also in a first meeting unlike a date there are no expectations which reduces the typical awkwardness of first dates.

If you calculate what 9 dates cost plus throw in a few 2nd and 3rd date closes you'll see my cost and really not much different and due to the nature of my ads I'm avoiding fatties all together, although I get a few dudes on the tutoring one but that's okay.

So I've spent about 100 on the tutoring and I think 200 or so on the modeling (not including the dinners and a few drinks) I say not a bad ROI compared to my experiences using regular dating sites. Also all are between 21 and 26 years of age

Also funny thing is the Russian actually called me out saying she thought this was what I was doing and laughed about it but still agreed to dinner so I think that one is a 100 percent

Post: #4555

I also threw a new one up this morning for a Romanian tutor and that one is already yielding some decent results, I plan to begin phone screening this evening.

Post: #4556

Just got the blowoff from one girl today because I sent a text message the other night that was slightly sexual and it made her feel "uncomfortable", but all these chicks have "more kinky" and "more into sex" bars on their personality profile pegged all the way right. What the fuck ever - they never have any problem commenting on the physical characteristics of my pictures that they like if they feel like it. That mistake buffer sure is shallow. As I've said, it's not bad practice, but they're getting so much attention that one mistake and you're done.

Maybe it's better to fail early with the chicks who are so conditioned that they expect you to always do just what they want.

Post: #4557

Anyone notice OKC charging for messaging chicks with age limits? I was going to message this chick the other day but they said something about paying 3 bucks to shoot her a message. F-that. In other news, for me the talent has been best on Tinder. There was one nerdy anime/femenist chick that hit me up...not sure if I'm going to follow that lead. She's about a 5 and probably wouldn't be DTF at all.

Post: #4558

(07-08-2015 08:34 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  Just got the blowoff from one girl today because I sent a text message the other night that was slightly sexual and it made her feel "uncomfortable", but all these chicks have "more kinky" and "more into sex" bars on their personality profile pegged all the way right. What the fuck ever - they never have any problem commenting on the physical characteristics of my pictures that they like if they feel like it. That mistake buffer sure is shallow. As I've said, it's not bad practice, but they're getting so much attention that one mistake and you're done.

I hear ya, it's like a hair trigger that could even be set off by a gnat's fart.

Makes me more determined to go out IRL.

Btw, if you're liked (or messaged often), does this elevate your OKC profile in some way?

Post: #4559

(07-08-2015 08:46 AM)Druber Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 08:34 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  Just got the blowoff from one girl today because I sent a text message the other night that was slightly sexual and it made her feel "uncomfortable", but all these chicks have "more kinky" and "more into sex" bars on their personality profile pegged all the way right. What the fuck ever - they never have any problem commenting on the physical characteristics of my pictures that they like if they feel like it. That mistake buffer sure is shallow. As I've said, it's not bad practice, but they're getting so much attention that one mistake and you're done.

I hear ya, it's like a hair trigger that could even be set off by a gnat's fart.

Makes me more determined to go out IRL.

Btw, if you're liked (or messaged often), does this elevate your OKC profile in some way?

I have no idea. I get maybe one "like" every day or two, and one unsolicited message a week perhaps, and haven't noticed any difference. I don't know about the situation for women, but I don't think it does either. Doing that would just create a feedback loop where the most messaged people would get more and more messages until they're overwhelmed. I don't think the site wants that.

My best guess is that nothing much happens unless you're paying for it, like with the "Boost" feature or whatever.

Post: #4560

(07-08-2015 08:44 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Anyone notice OKC charging for messaging chicks with age limits? I was going to message this chick the other day but they said something about paying 3 bucks to shoot her a message. F-that. In other news, for me the talent has been best on Tinder. There was one nerdy anime/femenist chick that hit me up...not sure if I'm going to follow that lead. She's about a 5 and probably wouldn't be DTF at all.

In my experience the majority of those nerdy anime/feminist chicks (the ones who don't have BPD) talk a big talk about how sexually liberated they are on the sites but are never really up for anything. Except stringing you along. Being the queen of the nerds gets them all the attention from gamer dudes they could ever want and insane standards for their level of attractiveness.

Post: #4561

(07-08-2015 04:05 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  In my experience the majority of those nerdy anime/feminist chicks (the ones who don't have BPD) talk a big talk about how sexually liberated they are on the sites but are never really up for anything. Except stringing you along. Being the queen of the nerds gets them all the attention from gamer dudes they could ever want and insane standards for their level of attractiveness.

I concur with that. I met a girl who was heavily into anime and cosplay through daygame a few years ago. I was in a photography group wandering around a city and we stumbled upon her group doing a photo shoot for some professional photographers. I got to talking with her and she lived in Vegas. We exchanged numbers and stayed in touch four about 4 months.

I finally took a trip to Vegas and she came out and we had a drink ended up hanging out for two nights together. She showed me all around the city and we had a nice time but despite my persistent escalation attempts she flat out refused to kiss me the entire time and wanted no part of "checking out the view" from my hotel room. Keep in mind, she was a hard core social media attention whore, dressed in all kinds of kinky costumes, and constantly talked up how "sexually insatiable" she was. She also had admitted previously to being attracted to me so I never picked up on any friend zone vibe before I took my trip.

What's funny is I still will occasionally look her up online and there's never any mention of her dating or seeing anybody. I concluded that she's all talk and no action.

Post: #4562

(07-08-2015 04:27 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:05 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  In my experience the majority of those nerdy anime/feminist chicks (the ones who don't have BPD) talk a big talk about how sexually liberated they are on the sites but are never really up for anything. Except stringing you along. Being the queen of the nerds gets them all the attention from gamer dudes they could ever want and insane standards for their level of attractiveness.

I concur with that. I met a girl who was heavily into anime and cosplay through daygame a few years ago. I was in a photography group wandering around a city and we stumbled upon her group doing a photo shoot for some professional photographers. I got to talking with her and she lived in Vegas. We exchanged numbers and stayed in touch four about 4 months.

I finally took a trip to Vegas and she came out and we had a drink ended up hanging out for two nights together. She showed me all around the city and we had a nice time but despite my persistent escalation attempts she flat out refused to kiss me the entire time and wanted no part of "checking out the view" from my hotel room. Keep in mind, she was a hard core social media attention whore, dressed in all kinds of kinky costumes, and constantly talked up how "sexually insatiable" she was. She also had admitted previously to being attracted to me so I never picked up on any friend zone vibe before I took my trip.

What's funny is I still will occasionally look her up online and there's never any mention of her dating or seeing anybody. I concluded that she's all talk and no action.

I was talking with one woman on one of the dating sites who talks all about how sex-driven she is in her profile, but admitted to me privately that she's been on the site for a year and never actually met anyone. If that's true (perhaps it isn't) maybe she's out meeting a ton of dudes in real life instead, but she seemed very introverted and I doubt it.

I'm sure some of them actually walk the walk about being "sexually liberated", but I'm getting the sense that many are actually just engaged in the same kind of serial monogamy that every other woman wants to engage in. They're studio gangstas. It's just a ploy to reel dudes in for validation - I'd guess the ones who are probably the most likely to be "DTF" are the ones who don't go on and on about how sexually free they are. At least in my experience it's been like that!

Post: #4563

How about this: I ask for her number and she lists it but leaves the last digit out and says "if you're determine to get the last digit, figure it out yourself."

Ideas for reframing to get the power on my side?

Post: #4564

(07-09-2015 02:44 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  How about this: I ask for her number and she lists it but leaves the last digit out and says "if you're determine to get the last digit, figure it out yourself."

Ideas for reframing to get the power on my side?

She's playing games with you. If that happened to me it would result in an immediate unmatch and block.

Post: #4565

(07-08-2015 07:06 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:27 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 04:05 PM)XPQ21 Wrote:  In my experience the majority of those nerdy anime/feminist chicks (the ones who don't have BPD) talk a big talk about how sexually liberated they are on the sites but are never really up for anything. Except stringing you along. Being the queen of the nerds gets them all the attention from gamer dudes they could ever want and insane standards for their level of attractiveness.

I concur with that. I met a girl who was heavily into anime and cosplay through daygame a few years ago. I was in a photography group wandering around a city and we stumbled upon her group doing a photo shoot for some professional photographers. I got to talking with her and she lived in Vegas. We exchanged numbers and stayed in touch four about 4 months.

I finally took a trip to Vegas and she came out and we had a drink ended up hanging out for two nights together. She showed me all around the city and we had a nice time but despite my persistent escalation attempts she flat out refused to kiss me the entire time and wanted no part of "checking out the view" from my hotel room. Keep in mind, she was a hard core social media attention whore, dressed in all kinds of kinky costumes, and constantly talked up how "sexually insatiable" she was. She also had admitted previously to being attracted to me so I never picked up on any friend zone vibe before I took my trip.

What's funny is I still will occasionally look her up online and there's never any mention of her dating or seeing anybody. I concluded that she's all talk and no action.

I was talking with one woman on one of the dating sites who talks all about how sex-driven she is in her profile, but admitted to me privately that she's been on the site for a year and never actually met anyone. If that's true (perhaps it isn't) maybe she's out meeting a ton of dudes in real life instead, but she seemed very introverted and I doubt it.

I'm sure some of them actually walk the walk about being "sexually liberated", but I'm getting the sense that many are actually just engaged in the same kind of serial monogamy that every other woman wants to engage in. They're studio gangstas. It's just a ploy to reel dudes in for validation - I'd guess the ones who are probably the most likely to be "DTF" are the ones who don't go on and on about how sexually free they are. At least in my experience it's been like that!

Keep in mind - it's ALWAYS been that way

The only chick's I approach in the club are the quiet one's, the one's who are sexy without trying

The one's who are "trying" are the same one's with the caked on makeup, the elongated eyelashes and shorter than short skirts

It screams "Look at ME", these are your girls who usually have the outlandish online presence and it extends to their dress, speech and behavior

They behave like thirsty guys but inversely; instead of doing the chasing they get off on being chased

They usually log off, and cuddle up in the arms of their LTR/FWB

Attention itch scratched, Thirst for validation quenched

Post: #4566

Korean 6 from OKC says she's down to hang. Just have to set a time. Logistics are still shit, so I don't see any SDL, SNL with this one. She's pretty introverted but we've seemed to make a connection over that. If she doesn't flake or go ghost, it'll be my first okc date.

Post: #4567

(07-09-2015 02:44 PM)FourToTheFloor Wrote:  How about this: I ask for her number and she lists it but leaves the last digit out and says "if you're determine to get the last digit, figure it out yourself."

Ideas for reframing to get the power on my side?

Imagine some other guy railing her hard while you are sitting there thinking of a comeback.

Don't be a fool.

Text game is a complete waste unless she is at least partially invested open to more investment. She has spit in your face.

Honestly your best chance at turning it around is texting back:

"not attracted to retards"

and attach an image of an actual retarded chick doing math at a chalkboard

I am not joking. Do you want to sink to that level and have a less than 1% chance of seeing her and banging her? I used to think shit like that was funny, it isn't though you need to respect your own time and mental energy. Girls will sense this demeanor. Don't swim with the bottom feeders.

Post: #4568

^ This provokes and reignites her interest. She make get a good laugh out of it as well if she has a good sense of humor...besides, bitches love memes.

Post: #4569

^ Even if she does laugh he will probably get back at best:

lol what?

She has won in making him in her personal comedian. It won't turn the ship around.

I stand by more everyday Maybe Girls are pretty much fallacy, girls just hide it well if they are a Yes many times. Attraction Is Completely Front-Loaded (your pictures in this case, in real life you have about the first 30 minutes of conversation to build it otherwise you are playing from WAY behind and most likely will never get it back).

This girl has already said she is a No.

Post: #4570

One thing I think is good to do is when a girl strings you along to the point that you end up bouncing her from your phone, and you know there's pretty much no shot, is to make them feel bad about what they've done. Some guy say this isn't alpha, or whatever. I disagree. I think one of the reasons online dating site girls get away with so much bad behavior is that they're never ever shamed or made to feel bad for what they do in any fashion.

They like making plans via text message, not making phone calls, bailing on dates early, and so on, all in an attempt to secure the maximum deal for the minimum possible emotional and psychological cost.

I always send a final text message, not a nasty one, but one that does in a way blow them out for wasting my time. You word it just right to not be angry or confrotational, but to make an emotional impact and indicate that they've done something to make you, a high value man, extremely extremely disappointed. Some people say that they don't care when it's a guy they've never met...but I can often tell from their responses to a carefully worded message that's not angry; it's something they almost never encounter and it really stings them - they really have no idea what rejection feels like, and expect guys to just sit there in her iPhone until she deems them worthy of attention or just fade away and leave them alone. If they got hit back emotionally for giving their phone number to everyone just to waste their time they wouldn't do it so much.

Feel free to play around with _my_ emotions and do the stringing thing if that's what you wish. I try not to let it make me jaded. But you'll pay a cost for it in some fashion.

Post: #4571

^ I'm intrigued by your point but how about an example or two of one of these texts you're describing

Post: #4572

Contemporary women in their bangable years are, as a whole, solipsistic narcissists obsessed with their own vanity as validated through thirsty men and anything that can be remotely considered butthurt. There's no point in trying to shame them for flakiness as it will only serve to reinforce and validate them. The only currency they recognize is jealousy, but if it's some random broad whose number was gained through a website and a series of texts materialized into nothing, you're pretty much incapable of making them jealous without coming across as thirsty. Anything short of radio silence after the threshold point where she nexts you having never met you will be interpreted as thirst and thus validate her. The problem with attempting to shame isn't that it's not "alpha" because at that point, it doesn't matter how she perceives your value: you're not getting the meetup either way. The problem with the attempt at shaming is that she will perceive it as validation that her pussy is the hottest on the block.

When it becomes clear that a lead is a dud, the best thing to do is move on and begin the process anew with a different girl. Will the discarded lead recognize that your silence is proof that all you ever desired her for was the lubed up fleshlight between her legs and seek to make herself a more contemplative and aware woman? Almost entirely not. But it won't reinforce her "I'm the princess" mentality one iota.

It's a numbers game gents. And we realize that. We know that a number gained from an online interaction means fuckall and we shouldn't derive any validation from anything short of actual intimate contact. For her part, intimate contact is the easiest thing to get, her validation comes from stringing a guy along and seeing how much attention she can get, how much time and words she can get him to pour into her, and much emotional turmoil she can set ablaze in him. Any attempt to shame will fall into the latter category and thus be entirely counterproductive.

Post: #4573

(07-07-2015 08:14 AM)XPQ21 Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 01:57 AM)carolinasmash Wrote:  Online dating is fucking boring and it's not being a boss in any way shape or form, I have a friend who is 6'5" and jacked and just banged out a busted morbidly obese Indian chick without cause in my mind (they watched sitcoms afterwards) made me sick listening to the story.

Well, I guess if one is determined to follow the path of least resistance there's always something waiting for you. For my part, I don't sleep well when I sell myself short like that.

We all need a slumpbuster from time to time. I had one recently coming off a two month dry spell. And with the lights off and the right positions to minimize the boner killing features, it does the job.

Are we making the world a worse place by rolling in the sheets with a beast? Ya, probably, because she'll now expect in a relationship the kinda guy that used her as a ONS/SDL and thus she'll stay single until her looks fade even further and the epiphany phase comes along and thus deprive some lower SMV guy his equal. But it's a dog eat dog world.

The other thing about slumpbusters that's nice is that often times you can see how they appreciate and are genuinely thankful for a roll in the sheets with a man out of their league. Deep in their hindbrains, they know the Adonis body ain't gonna be locking down the girl with a couple rolls just because she can suck a bowling ball through PVC piping, so they enjoy the moment, follow orders to a T and cum like the mighty Mississippi itself. That's not to say that you don't get appreciated when banging out a woman of comparable SMV to yourself, but it's the difference between the thanks you get for holding the door open for a stranger and the thanks you get for saving a person's life.

Post: #4574

(07-11-2015 12:08 PM)Sudden Wrote:  Contemporary women in their bangable years are, as a whole, solipsistic narcissists obsessed with their own vanity as validated through thirsty men and anything that can be remotely considered butthurt. There's no point in trying to shame them for flakiness as it will only serve to reinforce and validate them. The only currency they recognize is jealousy, but if it's some random broad whose number was gained through a website and a series of texts materialized into nothing, you're pretty much incapable of making them jealous without coming across as thirsty. Anything short of radio silence after the threshold point where she nexts you having never met you will be interpreted as thirst and thus validate her. The problem with attempting to shame isn't that it's not "alpha" because at that point, it doesn't matter how she perceives your value: you're not getting the meetup either way. The problem with the attempt at shaming is that she will perceive it as validation that her pussy is the hottest on the block.

When it becomes clear that a lead is a dud, the best thing to do is move on and begin the process anew with a different girl. Will the discarded lead recognize that your silence is proof that all you ever desired her for was the lubed up fleshlight between her legs and seek to make herself a more contemplative and aware woman? Almost entirely not. But it won't reinforce her "I'm the princess" mentality one iota.

It's a numbers game gents. And we realize that. We know that a number gained from an online interaction means fuckall and we shouldn't derive any validation from anything short of actual intimate contact. For her part, intimate contact is the easiest thing to get, her validation comes from stringing a guy along and seeing how much attention she can get, how much time and words she can get him to pour into her, and much emotional turmoil she can set ablaze in him. Any attempt to shame will fall into the latter category and thus be entirely counterproductive.

Life is grim. I guess the unfortunate fact is that if _everyone_ shamed them, attitudes would change right quick. But it seems as you say, there will always be an endless stream of thirsty men who don't "get it". Classic prisoner's dillema. I suppose I shouldn't hold out much hope of like, starting a trend.

Post: #4575

^ You would start a trend by having a hot chick on your arm that treats you well.

When other chicks that have shit attitudes come up to hit on you or shit test you because they are curious you brush them off. They will start getting the point. They aren't good enough.

This won't change anything though it will just soothe your ego. Any guy married to a fat chick, one with bad appearance, or nasty and controlling attitude has already won the war 10 times over.

You are thinking some texting quip will start grass roots changes against guys that are literally giving undesirable chicks millions of dollars and their ball sack?