Post: #7476

People can probably still speak in slightly coded language about the topics they wish to discuss. I don't know how strict Roosh will be about that, though.

Post: #7477

The forum has already changed quite a lot. It seems a lot more political than it ever used to be.

Also the majority of the posters are getting older. People change as their situation changes.

I’m married now, and have kids. I lived in the Philippines for several years, and I did the circuit as most do, but I’ve since returned to my home country and I spend most of my time taking care of my family now. I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but message boards / forums aren’t really a big thing anymore.

The important things you can learn here are still here. Advice from older guys is still here and will still be here.

Many of us grew up without fathers and subjected to leftist/feminist indoctrination, which only seems to be getting worse.

It took me a real long time to wake up and figure out what life is all about. For me, that’s family life and being a good father. Doing my part to correct against the anti male societal slant. Raise my son to be a man.

Everything else is just bullshit.

Post: #7478

(05-24-2019 10:17 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 03:10 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  Edit 2: difficult to know how this forum could survive with such a dramatic change to the forum fundamentals... So would seem difficult for any of the already existing members to adapt... that is my first impression ... let's see how it plays out.. He said something about rolling out which would imply gradual, but seems way too much of a reversal to be able to practically roll out in a "gradual" way.

The changes are not really that dramatic. If a member cannot adopt to these changes, then they probably have bigger things to worry about in their lives than the direction of this forum -- and they should concentrate on improving their lives rather than spending time on this forum. Another member has already described the relatively modest nature of these changes.

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I looked up that referred to post, and really I consider the changes to be much more dramatic than either you or the other poster, Dismal Operator, are making them out to be. In that regard, you cannot just keep the historical information as "a search away" if your whole premise of what is allowable has changed and if you start to believe that talking about premarital sex is a sin.

That's a little bit crazy. I am not going to proclaim to be holier than anyone or not holier than anyone, but there are a large number of historical Roosh positions and even positions of other guys that seemed to be in line with Roosh that were much more aggressive than my own when it came to the treatment of girls/women.

A crazy aspect is just figuring out our own human condition, and of course when we are younger we might be super o.k. with pumping and dumping and selfish motives, yet as we get older, we might at least concern ourselves a bit more about the girl and whether we might be using her more than she is using us, and a lot of these kinds of contradictory thoughts that are going to vary from person to person and even situations that deserve discussion, whether guys discuss them in a private way or in an online public thread.

So I am thinking that if you go from both permissively allowing to discuss the ideas of premarital bang and other kinds of related activities, whether short term goals or bang for a while and consider whether a long term relationship might evolve and many other acceptances, to a position that allowing discussion of such topics is a sin, then it seems to me that allowing the reference back to historical posts would be a similar kind of sin.. So where the hell do you draw the line?

It seems that Roosh has considered both making the new rules (which is a kind of line drawing), but also reasonably considered that the new rules are dramatic enough that it is going to take some time to evolve into what would be the new forum poster, which is another kind of line drawing that currently appears to me (and seemingly a lot of other guys who chime in on the topic) to be such a BIG ASS slippery slope that it is going to be quite difficult to just create a new rule going forward that does not ultimately result in a kind of dismantling of the whole forum because a decent amount of its historical premise was built on either guys seeking these kinds of adventurous relationships that could lead to premarital sex and discussion of such topics, with some guys having a more aggressive approach than others in terms of any kind of morality.

Hey, I am in my 50s, so even if I am not stuck in my morals, I have spent a considerable amount of time working out my balance, and therefore, I have difficulties accepting some ideas that I have already rejected, and I have difficulties considering premarital sex to be a sin, talking about premarital sex to be a sin or providing a forum for such topics to be a sin, so in those kinds of regards, it might be difficult for guys like me to figure out a kind of balance in terms of whether we need to censor ourselves or if the forum has grown in a direction that is not really how we believe is a tolerable balance.

Also, Roosh seems to be admitting that he is going through a kind of reform of his thinking on some of these topics, so it seems quite a difficult journey for anyone, and I would not want to be in a position in which I feel that it is necessary to either reject or to be repentant of my past, so it could be a tough journey for both Roosh and for guys who have been around here for a while (including myself) to consider the extent to which we might still get value out of the forum or if we want to continue to contribute to a forum's ideological direction that seems to be irreconcilably growing in a direction that is in conflict with our own strongly held life and relationship values.

Post: #7479

(05-24-2019 10:17 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 03:10 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  Edit 2: difficult to know how this forum could survive with such a dramatic change to the forum fundamentals... So would seem difficult for any of the already existing members to adapt... that is my first impression ... let's see how it plays out.. He said something about rolling out which would imply gradual, but seems way too much of a reversal to be able to practically roll out in a "gradual" way.

The changes are not really that dramatic. If a member cannot adopt to these changes, then they probably have bigger things to worry about in their lives than the direction of this forum -- and they should concentrate on improving their lives rather than spending time on this forum. Another member has already described the relatively modest nature of these changes.

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I highly disagree and no offense Tail Gunner, but your post is a bit ignorant of the overall situation. We are living in times where men having an open forum to talk to each other about real shit is being taken from us left and right. I have my own theories as to why Roosh did this that I may or may not keep to myself. These are BIG changes because the Philippines notch threads represented the bridged gap or the gateway to the bigger stuff. Most men need incentive to start down the path of self-actualization. I can tell you 100% that if I did not read past stories from users like 20nation, Fisto, and the rest in the old Phil's threads, there's no way I would have participated on this forum on much deeper topics and meanings of life since. Men need to know that not only is an aloof attitude with women possible, but women from an entirely different world from the ones they know and sometimes loathe back home are available for the taking. That's why the changes are a big deal for the future of this thread, but like I said, it was already distancing itself from its original purpose.