Post: #1

Ok, so Frost, RvF member and author of FreedomTwentyFive and Thumotic blogs recently posted that popular manosphere aggregator, Viva La Manosphere is a Fraud.

Quote:You’re probably familiar with Viva La Manosphere, a site run by a guy who calls himself Jack. The site collects links from around the Manosphere and displays them on his front page.

As of today, I want nothing more to do with Jack or his site. Why? Well, here are two websites about vegetable juicing for you to compare.

The first is Fit Juice.

Fit Juice is run by Mike, the author of Danger and Play. Mike has been writing about juicing since early 2012. He did the research, bought the juicers, and wrote about his experiences with the goal of helping other men get the same benefits he has experienced. It is not an exaggeration to say that without Mike, juicing would not be a ‘Manosphere thing’ at all. I’ve been reading MikeCF’s blog and forum posts for over three years now, and I would honestly be willing to write him a cheque for $10,000 for the value he’s offered for free, in terms of health, training, and life advice.

Yes, this is indisputable. Mike was the first guy to bring Juicing to the manosphere, and thanks to him, it's something I still do to this very day. Every thursday I go to the Farmer's market and I buy beets, kale and other assorted veggies to make a batch of juice to last me a week. I've noticed a difference in my health, endurance and stamina.

I, like so many others, have certainly benefited from Mike taking the valuable practices of juicing, and stripping it of the "guru vegan holistic naturopath" shyster image and getting Men to recognize it's value as a part of a diet and nutrition practice beneficial without all the "new-age" bullshit.

Quote:The second site is one that I recently found on the front page of Viva La Manosphere. You can check it out here. It is almost identical, page for page, right down to the web design. It’s not just another juicing blog. It’s the same content, page for page, with only slight modifications to prevent Google from flagging it as dupe content.

Jack has also taken the step of removing Danger and Play from the sites that he features on his link aggregating site, probably based on the very rational fear that casual readers will make a Fit Juice/ Juicing Hacks comparison, and recognize Jack for the fraud that he is. I would lay money he hasn’t juiced a single piece of produce in his life.

Mike, I want your opinion on this. Do you concur with Frost's take here? Did Jack stop linking to D&P shortly before coming up with his own Juicing blog with associated iHerb links?

If that's so, that's straight up piracy and treachery, and Jack needs to be called to account.

Quote:This post will probably put an end to the traffic I get from Viva La Manosphere, and that’s fine with me. Values are more important than a short-term boost in traffic and income. Also – and this is not a platitude, this is something I genuinely believe to be true and have observed often in my own life – ethical and value-giving businesses win out in the end.

Jack is not interested in giving value, and so I predict that he is on his way out.

I’m sure Jack will have his defenders in the blogosphere. Operating a popular website that sends bloggers a lot of traffic is a good way to maintain the loyalty of the venal and weak. But real masculinity demands a sense of community, loyalty, and honour. Being part of a gang, and giving due respect to your tribe is all part of The Way Of Men.

Other bloggers can react to this information however they want. But personally, I’m not going to keep linking to some carpet-bagging cunt of an internet marketer, stealing Mike’s content and passing it off as his own, all for the sake of a few hundred page views. If you want real information about juicing, check out the the original men’s juicing blog, http://www.fit-juice.com.

And if you want to read all your favourite Red Pill/Manosphere blogs in one place, get a free RSS reader (I use feedly) and subscribe to the writers whose content you don’t want to miss. Alternatively, check out the link aggregators at Delusion Damage and Hawaiian Libertarian, and follow Free Northerner for his weekly link round up.

If you’ve gotten any value from Danger and Play and the Red Pill community at large, do the right thing and remove Viva La Manosphere from your life.

My blog has personally received thousands of hits in the past year or so from Viva. I really don't care about that though. I look at linking to be a courtesy thing. You link to me, I'll link you back...even if you blog about things for which I disagree with. I was never in this whole blogging thing to get hits or to try and turn a hobby into a money making venture.

I've got no problem with guys trying to make money from their blogging efforts...and it certainly appears that Viva provides aggregate service to make money, as evidenced by his links to "How to start a blog" - which looks like the same service Delusion Damage sells at his blog aggregator...but DD isn't blogging anymore, so I don't think it's the same situation as with Mike here.

If what Frost writes is in fact true, and Jack did basically rip off Mike, he needs to be called on it by those of us who have certainly gained from all of the experience and knowledge Mike has doled out for essentially free, both here and at his blogs.

Anybody else got any info or perspective to add here?

Post: #2

Last article on its mainpage:

Quote:Danger & Play wrote an interesting article last week on ‘HGH (Human Growth Hormone) Vs TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) for Anti Aging’[1] aimed at guys in their 40s...

The nerve of some people...

Post: #3

(03-15-2014 03:21 PM)K Galt Wrote:  Mike, I want your opinion on this. Do you concur with Frost's take here? Did Jack stop linking to D&P shortly before coming up with his own Juicing blog with associated iHerb links?

He did a couple of days ago. (Oddly, he linked to me today.)

I knew about his rip-off page months ago. I saw it and then Frost emailed me.

I told Frost that I don't like drama, which is true. (I like a debate, but saying "You ripped off my page" seems a bit dramatic.)

I also have an abundance mentality. There is room for more than one juicing blog.

But Jack's rip-off became more overt. He was stealing my blog title headlines and then re-writing my posts. It started to impact my SEO. (Google thinks I have a mirror page as his page is so similar to mine.)

His "Best juicer for Kale and Spinach" was the last straw. That was the blog title and he just re-worded my post.

Read my post at Fit Juice:

http://fit-juice.com/best-juicer-for-kale-spinach/

I am all for competition for for my bros making money online. If you guys who actually juice want to start a blog and com sup with you own stuff, awesome.

I made a mistake not caling Jack out sooner. His project has become very successful.

A link from Viva La Manosphere is worth around 500 page views.

So even some people who may have been sympathetic to my complaint would be reluctant to speak up for fear of losing page views.

Anyone who knows Frost knows that he's a man of principle, though, and would speak out no matter what.

Anyhow, its' all very shitty.

Jack or anyone else can start a juicing blog. It's not for me to say. Kick my ass and do a better juicing blog!

Just don't steal my content.

It's funny. I never thought I'd have to write those words to another person around these parts.

Post: #4

Speaking of strange coincidences, where did Frost get the name Thumotic? It closely resembles my name, and especially "Thutmose," an alternative spelling of my name. It also doesn't pre-date me. Just sayin'.

Post: #5

(03-15-2014 07:02 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Speaking of strange coincidences, where did Frost get the name Thumotic? It closely resembles "Thutmose," an alternative spelling of my name. It also doesn't pre-date me. Just sayin'.

Tuth:

I don't think it has anything to do with your name. It's just a coincidence..."Thumos" is a Greek word that means "spirit" or "gameness." Frost says in one his articles:

Thumos is a Greek word which translates to spirit, fight, or gameness. Thumos is the humour which inspires a creature to bare its teeth and fight, rather than cower meekly in a corner. Thumos is energy, lust, desire, bloodthirst, pride, righteous anger, the will to power. It is Life. It is what we have lost, and must now find.

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Post: #6

(03-15-2014 07:08 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Tuth:

I don't think has anything to do with your name. "Thumos" is a Greek word that means "spirit" or "gameness." Frost says in one his articles:

Thumos is a Greek word which translates to spirit, fight, or gameness. Thumos is the humour which inspires a creature to bare its teeth and fight, rather than cower meekly in a corner. Thumos is energy, lust, desire, bloodthirst, pride, righteous anger, the will to power. It is Life. It is what we have lost, and must now find.

I found that too, but that would be like starting a place called Duncan Donuts and then saying my nickname in my high school was Duncan.

Post: #7

(03-15-2014 07:08 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  I don't think it has anything to do with your name. It's just a coincidence..."Thumos" is a Greek word that means "spirit" or "gameness." Frost says in one his articles:

Thumos is a Greek word which translates to spirit, fight, or gameness. Thumos is the humour which inspires a creature to bare its teeth and fight, rather than cower meekly in a corner. Thumos is energy, lust, desire, bloodthirst, pride, righteous anger, the will to power. It is Life. It is what we have lost, and must now find.

Yes, that is the def. I thought he maybe got it from C.S. Lewis. ("Men Without Chests," maybe? I forget which piece.)

Post: #8

(03-15-2014 07:13 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(03-15-2014 07:08 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Tuth:

I don't think has anything to do with your name. "Thumos" is a Greek word that means "spirit" or "gameness." Frost says in one his articles:

Thumos is a Greek word which translates to spirit, fight, or gameness. Thumos is the humour which inspires a creature to bare its teeth and fight, rather than cower meekly in a corner. Thumos is energy, lust, desire, bloodthirst, pride, righteous anger, the will to power. It is Life. It is what we have lost, and must now find.

I found that too, but that would be like starting a place called Duncan Donuts and then saying my nickname in my high school was Duncan.

Yeah, you got a point...
Reminded me of the guy who started a lingerie store called "Victoria's Little Secret" and at some point got call from a bigger, badder, lingerie chain...

Post: #9

I think the betasphere is trying to kill the manosphere but the manosphere guys are trying to monetize which I agree with especially in Roosh case and others. The betasphere is not only jealous of dudes getting tail but even more of the making some jack at the same time.

These dudes are powerful online as the wack off a lot and have computers since they were 5.

I have my own crew of them. They can destroy anything online but are so fucking pansyfied in real life.

I can barely stand being around them even though the can do anything computer wise so I freaked out on their parents. The dads mainly and told them take a good look at what you " raised" and many other things in my rant ( live in the face) but these dudes are coming in full force and getting of age as we speak.

Post: #10

Thumotic has a new sponsor:

   

Post: #11

Steve McQueen's ghost just contacted me.

He's very upset about my last name.

Any idea how to handle him? He said he's going to haunt me until I change it.

Post: #12

(03-15-2014 07:27 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  Steve McQueen's ghost just contacted me.

He's very upset about my last name.

Any idea how to handle him? He said he's going to haunt me until I change it.

Offer him some head.

Post: #13

Frost's official caterer:

   

Post: #14

"Offer him some head."

Any tips since you're the expert?

Post: #15

I don't like manosphere drama, but I'm glad when it doesn't involve me.

Time to head out and get some food at McDowells...

Post: #16

I'm going for some coffee myself.

Post: #17

I found an anti-plagiarism blog that seems reasonably informative and interesting (as far as that subject can be):

http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/

Maybe some of you guys might enjoy checking it out. It even has sample "cease and desist" letters, that the website author offers for you to plagiarize...oh, I mean, use as examples.

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Post: #18

Frost is out watching a movie at the moment:

   

Post: #19

No, I think I'd rather go to this place...:





And in India, I always make a point of stopping at this place for a quick bite before I go clubbing:




(This is turning into a great meme...maybe we need a thread on this...!)

Post: #20

Frost dresses in only the finest garments:

   

Post: #21

Glad to get your perspective On this, Mike. Is it really "drama" to call someone out for ripping off your work? It would have been far better for Jack to give rightful credit where it's due and still make his own juice blog

"Thanks to MikeCF, I got inspired to start my own juicing blog... Here's my favorite recipe I came up with, try it out!"

What's so hard about that?

Anyhow, I'd like to take this opportunity to announce the pending release of my e-book, "Bang Hawaii" with a bonus Honolulu data sheet for the first 50 buyers...

Post: #22

(03-15-2014 07:50 PM)K Galt Wrote:  Glad to get your perspective On this, Mike. Is it really "drama" to call someone out for ripping off your work? It would have been far better for Jack to give rightful credit where it's due and still make his own juice blog

It was a mistake for me to not call him out sooner.

Hell, I said on Twitter a while ago how much I was making on Fit Juice. I told guys there was room to join the niche. I even said guys should think of starting a juice truck, as juicing is still growing.

Zero fear of competition. Zero hate. I am about helping others.

I am all about building my own thing rather than destroying others. That's my mindset.

But he ended up destroying some of my business. So I ended up having to pick up some rubble because of him.

I didn't think some scum bag would actually rip off my content rather than start his own juicing hustle.

Live and learn.

Post: #23

Frost likes a clean shave:

   

Post: #24

Frost likes a little spread on his bread:

   

Post: #25

Frost does his day-game approaches at: