(03-02-2014 08:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  If you knew this forum, you'd know that the power tripping was meant to be a dead giveaway precisely because everyone would know that Tuth would never do that in real life.

I do not know the forum that well. You know it better, I admit. But, I did a googling and it doesn't sync up with your characterization.

http://blockedurl.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=602

(03-02-2014 09:17 PM)Walter White Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 08:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  If you knew this forum, you'd know that the power tripping was meant to be a dead giveaway precisely because everyone would know that Tuth would never do that in real life.

I do not know the forum that well. You know it better, I admit. But, I did a googling and it doesn't sync up with your characterization.

http://blockedurl.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=602

LOL you're quoting NN, why not go straight to Jezebel?

I'm glad Roosh is okay and not in jail. He's fortunate to have so many people concerned about his wellbeing and willing to try to find help for him.

Being one of those people, though, I'm curious how the conversation will go tomorrow morning when I walk back my own request for help.

It'd be one thing if Tim & Eric claimed to be imprisoned, since their fans would expect it to be some kind of performance art. But that's inconsistent with the Roosh "brand."

Yeah, it's really unfortunate that some guys called real-life contacts and potentially caused lasting damage to their credibility with those people. If it wasn't for that I'd say the prank was damn funny and really well done, but I can understand why people who now have to explain this to their contacts are pissed off. However, I think it's clear that Roosh and Tuth didn't foresee the prank having that kind of consequence, and certainly didn't intend for anyone to come to actual harm. Whether they should have foreseen this is a different question that I won't try to answer here, but at worst that would make the prank an error in judgment. I think we should at least be able to agree that there wasn't any malicious intent or lack of respect at work here, and it would be a damn shame to lose any senior forum members over it, especially when you consider that the reason those members are in this position in the first place is because they're invested enough in this community to be willing to throw down substantial resources when it looked like Roosh was in trouble.

(03-02-2014 06:46 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Tuthmosis and I conspired to prank the internet that I was in jail. The picture used is from the German DDR museum. Two weeks ago I put it on my personal FB page and had worried friends contacting me asking if I was okay. Realizing the power of the photo, I came up with the idea to have a hoax with two stages: (1) Me in jail, and (2) Tuth going "mad" with power.

I expect many of you to be annoyed, and I hope Tuth and I didn't betray your trust with the prank, but the security and viability of the forum was never compromised and the picture was just too good not to use. Credit goes to Tuth for his "new rules" (http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-33639-...#pid667804 ), which---if you were in on the joke---was quite amusing. I also did not expect the story to be as believed as it was, since there are many flaws in the picture that suggest it's not a real jail cell, but on the other hand, the prospect of me going to jail is not unexpected. If you are pissed off, I recommend you read Tuth's bulletins to see the humor in the prank (the "bill me later" option was my favorite).

Not cool Roosh, Fisto was pretty on top of things trying to put a lid on some of the inane tangents some of the chicken-brained members were going off on, while attempting to focus the forum's efforts on getting you out. As for me, I was simply waiting for the donation link from Tuth to get you out of there, man.

As a fellow entrepreneur, I understand any publicity is good publicity, though. But...a hoax? ROK articles are a much more honest way to build a connection with your audience. An "I got arrested" hoax? Seems a bit drama queen-ish, man.

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To be honest, I think you owe quite a few of the forum members an apology, man. This was a pretty immature stunt, any way you dice it. In any case, moving on. Back to more important matters. Long live the forum!

Long live the forum

@gringochileno

This. I thought it was funny, but then again maybe I, and others, should take a lesson from the members who immediately took action to help a friend in need. That was a noble thing to do and I respect what those guys did a lot.

However, it seem a lot of guys are missing the big picture though: It was a prank!!

I remember a few years back me and a buddy fucked with one of our roommates rooms in our frat house. He came home in a bad mood and went apeshit when he found out what we did.

We didn't speak for 2 weeks...

Now we can look back at it and laugh at how ridiculous it was. Hopefully that will be how this works out.

I must say that I really did not think guys would make calls. This was an large miscalculation on my part, and I am sorry to the guys who did pick up the phone or sent emails. No one deserved to get burned for trying to help me out. I thought the prank itself out, but not the response (obviously).

MikeCF's phone call to Poland..

MCF: Hey, I represent my client there in your country

KPD ( Polish PD) : Who are you? What do you ask?

MCF: I demand you free him or I'm coming to consolidate with one of my Polish colleagues and will file suit for declamation of characters.

KPD: Do you mean MikeZF? Z is a vowel here so name make no sense

MCF: May I speak to your superior. Now!

KPD: Dobra notz dis Janusz how can I help you?

MCF: You guys are not in compliance with the Geneva convention I demand you release Roosh V****** right fucking now!

KPD: You practice law Poland?

MCF: NOW!

KPD: MikeZF, Poland is different place

MCF: Fuck this!

KPD: Thank you, come again.

(03-02-2014 09:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I must say that I really did not think guys would make calls. This was an large miscalculation on my part, and I am sorry to the guys who did pick up the phone or sent emails. No one deserved to get burned for trying to help me out. I thought the prank itself out, but not the response (obviously).

That's what I figured was going on. It would be ludicrous to believe that you were trying to hurt the very people who would be most willing to help you out in an emergency.

Didn't follow this real time and caught up all at once but...

If I were Tut and Roosh, I'd place some phone calls to certain members and apologize personally. I don't think e-apologies cut it. They may not change their minds but they probably deserve it.

Another irony is that damage was done to RVF not by some fat feminists but by it's own trusted membership. We have met the enemy and he is us? Kind of takes some wind out of the momentum built up in 2013.

Wallowing in the aftermath of this failed prank is an even bigger waste of time than the prank itself.

Just wait for the storm to clear, everything will back to normal soon.

(03-02-2014 07:00 PM)Fisto Wrote:  I didn't need to see a picture, I just took tuthmosis word for it because I thought he valued his credibility.

Seems he doesn't.

Big apology to the guys on the forum for me getting upset with them for questioning whether or not Roosh was actually in jail.

I was just in a Dominican holding cell for 24 hours a few days ago, I didn't want roosh to have to be in anything like that for any extended period.

This.

And no apology's needed, man. In a situation where an ally tells you he's in jail, in a foreign country no less, you don't ask him for proof that he's in jail, lol. You work on getting him out of there ASAP.

On my end, I was waiting for the donation link from Tuth to appear.

No apology needed, man.

(03-02-2014 07:55 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  1. The statements about losing credibility in a single afternoon means your loyalty is easy to lose. I, for one, take people in the aggregate. Plenty of guys have irritated me, disappointment me, or outright angered me at some point, but I've never dismissed them--or their work--out of hand.

For the non-Americans out there, investigating options to help that puts my real identity at risk of discovery carries far more weight than in your country. And I'm not talking third world nations, but countries like England, France and Australia.

If I wrote an article entitled '24 Signs She's A Slut' or 'Girls With Short Hair Are Damaged', I could be charged under anti-vilification and anti-hate speech laws, and imprisoned, an experience that defined me as a young man and that I have no wish to revisit. This is the risk I take with every comment I make on here, but I say what I say for the sake of hoping young guys might understand the psychological motivations that drive women before they get fucked over by them.

In return for the risk I take, my loyalty is called into disrespect when I'm - and let's be honest - fucked with for the sake of being fucked with. In which case, yes, I question my loyalty. What exactly do I really know about you guys except that I always trust for you to deliver straight talk? Honour, the value of a man's word, strength, and loyalty is part of the masculine contract, and if it doesn't go both ways, then, yes, you lose my loyalty.

The next time you're writing Clickbait, secure in the knowledge of your first ammendment protection - and I say this with enough contempt for you to consider it a bannable offense - Check your fucking privilege.

(03-02-2014 09:30 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  MikeCF's phone call to Poland..

MCF: Hey, I represent my client there in your country

KPD ( Polish PD) : Who are you? What do you ask?

MCF: I demand you free him or I'm coming to consolidate with one of my Polish colleagues and will file suit for declamation of characters.

KPD: Do you mean MikeZF? Z is a vowel here so name make no sense

MCF: May I speak to your superior. Now!

KPD: Dobra notz dis Janusz how can I help you?

MCF: You guys are not in compliance with the Geneva convention I demand you release Roosh V****** right fucking now!

KPD: You practice law Poland?

MCF: NOW!

KPD: MikeZF, Poland is different place

MCF: Fuck this!

KPD: Thank you, come again.

What's all this bullshit about "contacts?" So we made some calls -- I did too -- so what? I called my "contact" about getting a courier to deliver USD cash funds in-person to Poland -- he gave me the answer and we were ready to roll -- I called him back and said: miscommunication, there's no problem. He replied:

"Great, I'm relieved and I'm here if you need me in future. Have a good night."

How does that "burn" me?

Enough of the overreaction and melodrama. We're not women.

(03-02-2014 09:23 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  inane tangents some of the chicken-brained members were going off on, while attempting to focus the forum's efforts on getting you out.

Funny, some of those chicken-brained members figured out it was a hoax while you didn't.

(03-02-2014 09:36 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 07:55 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  1. The statements about losing credibility in a single afternoon means your loyalty is easy to lose. I, for one, take people in the aggregate. Plenty of guys have irritated me, disappointment me, or outright angered me at some point, but I've never dismissed them--or their work--out of hand.

For the non-Americans out there, investigating options to help that puts my real identity at risk of discovery carries far more weight than in your country. And I'm not talking third world nations, but countries like England, France and Australia.

If I wrote an article entitled '24 Signs She's A Slut' or 'Girls With Short Hair Are Damaged', I could be charged under anti-vilification and anti-hate speech laws, and imprisoned, an experience that defined me as a young man and that I have no wish to revisit. This is the risk I take with every comment I make on here, but I say what I say for the sake of hoping young guys might understand the psychological motivations that drive women before they get fucked over by them.

In return for the risk I take, my loyalty is called into disrespect when I'm - and let's be honest - fucked with for the sake of being fucked with. In which case, yes, I question my loyalty. What exactly do I really know about you guys except that I always trust for you to deliver straight talk? Honour, the value of a man's word, strength, and loyalty is part of the masculine contract, and if it doesn't go both ways, then, yes, you lose my loyalty.

The next time you're writing Clickbait, secure in the knowledge of your first ammendment protection - and I say this with enough contempt for you to consider it a bannable offense - Check your fucking privilege.

Man, then you PM someone in the USA who can move effectively. What's the problem? No one is getting "imprisoned" for making a call to some lawyers...

Get new "contacts" if they can fuck you so easily. Sheesh.

(03-02-2014 09:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I must say that I really did not think guys would make calls. This was an large miscalculation on my part, and I am sorry to the guys who did pick up the phone or sent emails. No one deserved to get burned for trying to help me out. I thought the prank itself out, but not the response (obviously).

How could it be a miscalculation? How OLD are you?? It's the most immature sounding thing I can think of. The *VERY FIRST* thing I would expect to happen, if I told thousands of my customers (that's pretty much what we are) that I was in trouble, was that some percentage of them would break whatever china is necessary to lend a hand. That's what men do. A 17 yr could get away with that excuse. Not an adult. I don't know you personally but you sound very immature, and the connection to Tuthmosis (who sounds equally immature - "BAN HIM! BAN HIM"!) now seems completely appropriate. It gives life to the old feminist meme of MRA/PUAs being guys in their parents basements playing D&D.

My last post, for a long while anyway. If you guys want to replicate the social dynamics of a 16 yr old group of girls, have it - it has nothing to do with me.

(03-02-2014 09:45 PM)Walter White Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 09:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I must say that I really did not think guys would make calls. This was an large miscalculation on my part, and I am sorry to the guys who did pick up the phone or sent emails. No one deserved to get burned for trying to help me out. I thought the prank itself out, but not the response (obviously).

How could it be a miscalculation? How OLD are you?? It's the most immature sounding thing I can think of. The *VERY FIRST* thing I would expect to happen, if I told thousands of my customers (that's pretty much what we are) that I was in trouble, was that some percentage of them would break whatever china is necessary to lend a hand. That's what men do. A 17 yr could get away with that excuse. Not an adult. I don't know you personally but you sound very immature, and the connection to Tuthmosis (who sounds equally immature - "BAN HIM! BAN HIM"!) now seems completely appropriate. It gives life to the old feminist meme of MRA/PUAs being guys in their parents basements playing D&D.

My last post, for a long while anyway. If you guys want to replicate the social dynamics of a 16 yr old group of girls, have it - it has nothing to do with me.

(03-02-2014 09:45 PM)Walter White Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 09:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I must say that I really did not think guys would make calls. This was an large miscalculation on my part, and I am sorry to the guys who did pick up the phone or sent emails. No one deserved to get burned for trying to help me out. I thought the prank itself out, but not the response (obviously).

How could it be a miscalculation? How OLD are you?? It's the most immature sounding thing I can think of. The *VERY FIRST* thing I would expect to happen, if I told thousands of my customers (that's pretty much what we are) that I was in trouble, was that some percentage of them would break whatever china is necessary to lend a hand. That's what men do. A 17 yr could get away with that excuse. Not an adult. I don't know you personally but you sound very immature, and the connection to Tuthmosis (who sounds equally immature - "BAN HIM! BAN HIM"!) now seems completely appropriate. It gives life to the old feminist meme of MRA/PUAs being guys in their parents basements playing D&D.



My last post, for a long while anyway. If you guys want to replicate the social dynamics of a 16 yr old group of girls, have it - it has nothing to do with me.

(03-02-2014 09:45 PM)Walter White Wrote:  My last post, for a long while anyway. If you guys want to replicate the social dynamics of a 16 yr old group of girls, have it - it has nothing to do with me.

On the plus side, you've only invested 44 posts into our community.

Gee Lizard, you sure enjoy laughing at MikeCF's expense via el mech's phonecall scenario with a triple potd smilie post....

...yet you're the guy who started a thread "A Call For Calm to Senior Members of the RVF!"

Was this beta?

(03-02-2014 09:45 PM)Walter White Wrote:  My last post, for a long while anyway. If you guys want to replicate the social dynamics of a 16 yr old group of girls, have it - it has nothing to do with me.

Well that does it then, this is officially a full-blown tragedy.