Post: #1

While the NY Times is generally the feminist and mangina newspaper of record, their columnist Nick Kristof still stands out as a fanatical white-knight obsessed with spreading lies about "human trafficking" and "sex slavery" in the US and elsewhere.

In this column published yesterday, he lovingly recounts the details of a "sting" in which undercover cops in Chicago entrap, arrest and humiliate "johns" who are looking to pay a little cash to get some:

Quote:CHICAGO — Several police officers are waiting in a hotel room, handcuffs at the ready, when they get the signal. A female undercover officer posing as a prostitute is with a would-be customer in an adjacent room, and she has pushed a secret button indicating that they should charge in to make the arrest.

The officers shove at the door connecting the rooms, but somehow it has become locked. They can’t get in. The undercover officer is stuck with her customer. Tension soars. Curses reverberate. A million fears surge.

Then, suddenly, the door frees and the police officers rush in and arrest a graying 64-year-old man, Michael. His smugness shatters and turns to bewilderment and shock as police officers handcuff his hands behind his back.

Yeah Nick, it's really great to see the "smugness" of a 64 year old dude "shattered" by having to deal with a bunch of white-knighting meathead cops and "undercover" dykes, instead of being able to commit the "unspeakable crime" of paying to fuck some ho.

The rest of the column mostly deals with spreading the usual lies about trafficking and propagandizing for the infamous "Swedish model" of arresting "johns" to stop prostitution.

At the end, Nick can't help but add a few more relishing notes about the humiliation inflicted on these "johns":

Quote:Here in Chicago, the men arrested were taken to another hotel room and made to watch a video about the risks of prostitution — such as sexually transmitted diseases — and then given a $500 ticket. They are advised to pay the fine immediately or a registered letter will be sent to their home address. There is no criminal record, and the men are released in about 30 minutes.

The men’s cars are also towed, which costs them another $700 or so. Mike Anton, commander of the vice unit, says that he always tells the married men that they can avoid towing fees if they call their wives to have them pick up the car.

“None of them has ever taken me up on that,” he added.

Can you imagine deciding to spend some cash to fuck some Backpage whore in the Windy City, and instead finding yourself being forced by meatheads and dykes to sit and watch a deranged propaganda video about "the risks of prostitution"? I really wonder what goes through the minds of these dudes -- I hope their thoughts in response to this are not altogether peaceful. They shouldn't be.

The whole column is an interesting study in how easily the usual do-goodery of fanatical white knights turns to sadistic misandry and delight at the humiliation of normal men. The white-knight starts by affecting to love the "trafficked underage sex slave" but the problem is that this creature is mostly a mythical one. It's hard to sustain a love for this elusive victim, and so much easier to just hate the good old "john", that root of all evil.

That's how it always goes: communist ideologues who start out with a proclaimed love of the abstract proletariat eventually turn their entire attention to the extermination of the bourgeois; white supremacists who begin with the stated aim of nurturing their beloved race soon become consumed with getting rid of the Jews and the Niggers; environmentalist fanatics get bored with Gaia and realize that the real juice is in the evil of "pig capitalists" and oil companies; and white-knights who purport to be the protectors of imagined female victims end up becoming full-time haters of normal men.

Post: #2

Quote:They are advised to pay the fine immediately or a registered letter will be sent to their home address. There is no criminal record, and the men are released in about 30 minutes.

The men’s cars are also towed, which costs them another $700 or so. Mike Anton, commander of the vice unit, says that he always tells the married men that they can avoid towing fees if they call their wives to have them pick up the car.

How can anyone write these words and not see that this is simple extortion, not justice?

Post: #3

I'm smelling an Elliott Spitzer here. Remember how he was crusading against prostitution and then got caught in a sting?

This is a pet topic of Kristof's. He's on about this all the time. And anyone who is that emotionally riled up about this subject is getting off on it in some way. He's shaming these men as a front, to cover up his own feelings of excitement.

As annoying as Gawker can be, they did point out that Kristof's home paper owns About.com, which runs escort ads. Brietbart digs deeper into the subject. (I just found an insightful takedown of him at this blog too. They call what he does "badvocacy" -- haha.)

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When I was editor of my college paper, some guy I knew stole our photography equipment and was using it to photograph sports games. I got the best looking woman on the staff to go to a game and flirt with him and surreptitiously get the serial numbers of the equipment. They matched up. So we went to the cops, he got busted, and we got our equipment back.

I wish I could do a similar thing with Kristof: have a hot girl flirt with him at a bar, tell him to name his price, and see what he does. Methink he'd make an offer.

Post: #4

(02-28-2014 09:03 PM)JackDavey Wrote:  

Quote:They are advised to pay the fine immediately or a registered letter will be sent to their home address. There is no criminal record, and the men are released in about 30 minutes.

The men’s cars are also towed, which costs them another $700 or so. Mike Anton, commander of the vice unit, says that he always tells the married men that they can avoid towing fees if they call their wives to have them pick up the car.

How can anyone write these words and not see that this is simple extortion, not justice?

Just a little joke at the expense of the johns... why not, right?

The whole idea is that johns should feel shamed and humiliated so that they and others will be "deterred" from this horrible crime in the future. Other cities do much worse -- they "name and shame" johns and publish their pics and names online, permanently ruining their reputations and often their lives. All in the good cause of preventing the "slavery" of a "trafficked" whore taking $100 to get some dude off inside his condom in 10 minutes.

What a world.

Post: #5

(02-28-2014 09:06 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I'm smelling an Elliott Spitzer here. Remember how he was crusading against prostitution and then got caught in a sting?

This is a pet topic of Kristof's. He's on about this all the time. And anyone who is that emotionally riled up about this subject is getting off on it in some way. He's shaming these men as a front, to cover up his own feelings of excitement.

As annoying as Gawker can be, they did point out that Kristof's home paper owns About.com, which runs escort ads. Brietbart digs deeper into the subject. (I just found an insightful takedown of him at this blog too.)

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When I was editor of my college paper, some guy I knew stole our photography equipment and was using it to photograph sports games. I got the best looking woman on the staff to go to a game and flirt with him and surreptitiously get the serial numbers of the equipment. They matched up. So we went to the cops, he got busted, and we got our equipment back.

I wish I could do a similar thing with Kristof: have a hot girl flirt with him at a bar, tell him to name his price, and see what he does. Methink he'd make an offer.

I've been thinking the same thing about this guy for a long time, but my conjecture is he likes them young.

Wasn't he going to Cambodia or something a few years ago and following around underage prostitutes and writing articles about them? He seems to have an unhealthy obsession.

Post: #6

(02-28-2014 09:10 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 09:03 PM)JackDavey Wrote:  

Quote:They are advised to pay the fine immediately or a registered letter will be sent to their home address. There is no criminal record, and the men are released in about 30 minutes.

The men’s cars are also towed, which costs them another $700 or so. Mike Anton, commander of the vice unit, says that he always tells the married men that they can avoid towing fees if they call their wives to have them pick up the car.

How can anyone write these words and not see that this is simple extortion, not justice?

Just a little joke at the expense of the johns... why not, right?

The whole idea is that johns should feel shamed and humiliated so that they and others will be "deterred" from this horrible crime in the future. Other cities do much worse -- they "name and shame" johns and publish their pics and names online, permanently ruining their reputations and often their lives. All in the good cause of preventing the "slavery" of a "trafficked" whore taking $100 to get some dude off inside his condom in 10 minutes.

What a world.

And that whore taking $100 dollars is empowered because she's fighting the patriarchy by owning her sexuality. She should be celebrated.

Or so that nice topless lady with the shaved purple hair and the word "SLUT" written across her chest said while she was marching in the street.

Post: #7

(02-28-2014 09:12 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(02-28-2014 09:06 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I'm smelling an Elliott Spitzer here. Remember how he was crusading against prostitution and then got caught in a sting?

This is a pet topic of Kristof's. He's on about this all the time. And anyone who is that emotionally riled up about this subject is getting off on it in some way. He's shaming these men as a front, to cover up his own feelings of excitement.

As annoying as Gawker can be, they did point out that Kristof's home paper owns About.com, which runs escort ads. Brietbart digs deeper into the subject. (I just found an insightful takedown of him at this blog too.)

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When I was editor of my college paper, some guy I knew stole our photography equipment and was using it to photograph sports games. I got the best looking woman on the staff to go to a game and flirt with him and surreptitiously get the serial numbers of the equipment. They matched up. So we went to the cops, he got busted, and we got our equipment back.

I wish I could do a similar thing with Kristof: have a hot girl flirt with him at a bar, tell him to name his price, and see what he does. Methink he'd make an offer.

I've been thinking the same thing about this guy for a long time, but my conjecture is he likes them young.

Wasn't he going to Cambodia or something a few years ago and following around underage prostitutes and writing articles about them? He seems to have an unhealthy obsession.

Yes, he was. He technically "bought" two underage girls but was allowed to do so because he "emancipated" them.

Once again I'll say it: once priests and nuns became irrelevant, other do-gooders in our society elected themselves to the positions. The difference now, unfortunately, is we can't just dismiss them as religious fanatics.

Post: #8

Anyone have any info on how common this sex slave thing is? or how many prostitutes are sex slaves?

If you were to listen to the mainstream media and tools like kristof, you would think that all whores are trafficking victims who are forced into it and no woman voluntarily sells herself for
sex. That, of course, is bullshit.

I wonder what the percentage actually is of prostitutes who are trafficked.

Of course, if they were serious about stopping trafficking and not just white knighting, they would legalize prostitution. If you bring it out of the black market, then you can regulate it and make sure nobody is trafficked.

Post: #9

Yes, Kristof is obsessed with "underage sex slaves" and has been going to all corners of the world to try to find and "rescue" them. He constantly repeats the usual lies about their prevalence here and there an everywhere.

And yeah, there is probably an element of sexual excitement involved in this, but unfortunately for him he's probably too much of a rigid do-gooder ideologue to even accept a hot girl propositioning him in real life. I think it's a different type than Spitzer.

Post: #10

Whoa lizard calm down a bit. I have friends on the CPD, and most are pretty red pill in their thinking (they don't know that term). I know not everyone likes cops here, but font generalize they are meathead white knights. They just have orders from above and are just doing their job. But like you said, at least they are not being named and shamed.

Post: #11

(02-28-2014 09:19 PM)Celtic Wrote:  Anyone have any info on how common this sex slave thing is? or how many prostitutes are sex slaves?

If you were to listen to the mainstream media and tools like kristof, you would think that all whores are trafficking victims who are forced into it and no woman voluntarily sells herself for
sex. That, of course, is bullshit.

I wonder what the percentage actually is of prostitutes who are trafficked.

Of course, if they were serious about stopping trafficking and not just white knighting, they would legalize prostitution. If you bring it out of the black market, then you can regulate it and make sure nobody is trafficked.

This post by Handsome Creepy Eel is a great place to start answering this question:

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In particular, please follow the links to Maggie McNeill's blog. She is the absolute authority on the sex trafficking myth and has written a large number of excellent posts about this going through all the various claimed numbers and showing what the reality is.

This is her blog (she is herself a former prostitute):

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/

Post: #12

Snowplow, no doubt some Chicago cops are great dudes. I still wouldn't want to be surrounded by them and grimly forced to watch some bullshit video if I was a 64 year codger who just chipped a little V and was getting ready to bust an honest nut in some 23 year old mixed Pinay whore.

Post: #13

I hear ya. No worries. Most cops here are pretty cool, especially if you know a bunch. But the bad ones are fucking terrible. I'm sure its like most cities

Post: #14

It just occurred to me that Internet porn might have been indirectly responsible for the human trafficking hysteria.

Back in the 1980s and early '90s, the do-gooders were claiming porn led to violence against women, oppression, etc. So they kept busy trying to get girly mags removed from convenience stores and trying to censor Larry Flint, among other things.

When the Internet made porn as ubiquitous as oxygen and the end result was LESS rape, these people knew they were beat.

What to do?

I know! Drum up a new crisis and create new hysteria to keep that gov't grant money flowing in. Enter human trafficking. It makes sense the numbers aren't adding up. They didn't with the alleged porn menace of the '80s either.

PS: If you go and look at retro '80s porn now, you really wonder what got these people so upset. Big hair? Cheesy music? Compared to the absolute filth you can access now with one mouse click, '80s porn looks like an old Aaron Spelling show. But even with kids being able to instantly access torture porn sites, you no longer see activists complaining about porn much anymore. Food for thought.

Post: #15

$700 for a towed car? Is it just me or is that not, as JackDavey pointed out, basically extortion? That seems way above "market rate" at least.

Wouldn't surprise me if the cops were getting a kickback on some of that cash, since the Johns aren't in a position to be complaining about it.

Really a despicable operation they have going there. Also a great allocation of public resources, with gang activity rampant on the south side and murders through the roof, the cops have dozens of officers pulling shit like this. What a joke.

Post: #16

Quote:That's how it always goes: communist ideologues who start out with a proclaimed love of the abstract proletariat eventually turn their entire attention to the extermination of the bourgeois; white supremacists who begin with the stated aim of nurturing their beloved race soon become consumed with getting rid of the Jews and the Niggers; environmentalist fanatics get bored with Gaia and realize that the real juice is in the evil of "pig capitalists" and oil companies; and white-knights who purport to be the protectors of imagined female victims end up becoming full-time haters of normal men.

Yes. Very true. The unintended consequences of human crusading.

For a perfect example of this, think of the actual crusades.

The first crusade was a cry for help from the Byzantine empire, who had been suffering major causalities against their Islamic aggressors.

The second crusade was like the first, but with a bit more adventurism.

The third crusade had no stated purpose or goal.

The fourth crusade was started by a Byzantine general who believed he deserved to be on the throne of Constantinople and promised great rewards from any European who would help him invade the city and put him on the throne.
At the very first battle, the Byzantine general was killed and a huge European army was left at the doorstep of Constantinople. Another crusader who was second in charge then rallied the troops to continue the invasion, and what ended up happening was one of the worst disasters in Western Civilization.

So, what started out as an effort to save Christianity, ended up dealing a mortal deathblow to Christianity in the Middle East, and sent Middle Eastern Christianity on a death spiral that has lasted until this day.

See how these unintended consequences of movements spiral out of control in random and violent directions? And it's happened so many times throughout history. There must be some kind of flaw in the human psyche which causes it.

Post: #17

It is extortion.

Reminds me of an old Roald Dahl short story.

A publisher of filth would look through newspapers for the names of men who had recently died.

He would then send the widow a bill to settle the account of the dead man who they would claim was a regular purchaser of erotic material.

The widow would pay up out of embarassment in order that nobody hear about the filthy hobby the husband had whilst he was alive.

The twist to the story was when one widow got a bill and wrote back a letter saying her recently deceased husband was blind.

Post: #18

(02-28-2014 09:41 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Really a despicable operation they have going there. Also a great allocation of public resources, with gang activity rampant on the south side and murders through the roof, the cops have dozens of officers pulling shit like this. What a joke.

Excellent point. People are being gunned down in Chicago every day, and they are sending all these cops to humiliate some 64 year old lonely guy looking to bust a nut in a consensual transaction?

Post: #19

(02-28-2014 09:46 PM)cardguy Wrote:  It is exortion.

Reminds me of an old Roald Dahl short story.

A publisher of filth would look through newspapers for the names of men who had recently died.

He would then send the widow a bill to settle the account of the dead man who they would claim was a regular purchaser of erotic material.

The widow would pay up out of embarassment in order that nobody hear about the filthy habit the husband had whilst he was alive.

The twist to the story was when one widow got a bill and wrote back a letter saying her recently deceased husband was blind.

Dahl is a fab writer and IMO his grandaughter Sophie is hella fine:

Post: #20

I hate fiction. I only read non-fiction.

But Roald Dahl's short stories are so much fun. Each one has a clever twist or weird ending that sticks with you forever.

Post: #21

DoBA, that's a reasonable argument about internet porn but I wouldn't count on it being immune forever, either. The UK is leading the way as it is in so many other things, in criminalizing the viewing of "violent" internet porn, even if all the "violence" is obviously simulated by consenting adult actors (as it is in 99.999... % of the cases).

The "trafficking" hysteria is convenient for a number of purposes. It is a constant goal of feminists to deprive normal beta males of any sexual outlet except that which is provided in relationships with age-appropriate hags. It cannot be permitted for an older guy to pay for some relief from this servitude by fucking a younger whore.

The other purpose of this is that it allows NGOs and other "progressive" sleaze to oversee the imposition of feminism on certain third world societies under the guise of "combating sex slavery". There are people in the State Department who are making this a key part of US foreign policy in these countries. And so on.

There is also a particular quasi-religious fervor aroused by the idea of protecting the innocent, whether it's "underage slaves" or animals (in a different context) because at a time when nihilism is the dominant philosophy, there is a special premium on the perceived innocence of creatures that are not aware of the necessary truth of "meaninglessness" and therefore offer some relief from it to those who are. But that is a more complex subject.

Post: #22

Yep - internet porn is the next thing they will go after.

Things got a bit weird in the UK about a year ago.

The prime minister, David Cameron, was talking about making pornography something that you had to 'opt in' to when you signed up with an internet supplier.

People assumed this was David Cameron's idea. But in fact it was something the internet companies were going to do anyway - and Cameron jumped on the bandwagon in order to try and steal the credit for an easy political gain. One of the internet companies said they were not goin to sign up to the voluntary proposals the rest of the companies had come up with. And that made Cameron look weak since he was caught out pretending he had the power to do something that he didn't.

It kind of backfired on him.

Still - the proposals went through. And now if you sign up to an internet supplier (as I did recently after a house move) you will be asked if you want to opt out of getting access to adult sites.

I have never concentrated so much on clicking the correct button.



But it is an issue which will keep coming back.

Post: #23

I assume that since the bust takes place in a hotel room, the car is legally parked. Isn't this an illegal seizure of property? This is also why you always go for taking nude photos first. Paying someone to get naked so you can photograph them isn't against the law. An honest hooker would gladly do some modelling, while a pig will try to escalate to sex right away.

Post: #24

(02-28-2014 10:41 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  I assume that since the bust takes place in a hotel room, the car is legally parked. Isn't this an illegal seizure of property? This is also why you always go for taking nude photos first. Paying someone to get naked so you can photograph them isn't against the law. An honest hooker would gladly do some modelling, while a pig will try to escalate to sex right away.

Yeah, but I unfortunately don't think some poor semiliterate john just trying to get a little taste of ass is going to be streetwise enough to ask for naked pics first. Whoever does and stymies the cops, God bless him, truly.

As far as the car, like others have said, they're counting on the john not to complain or make any noise since the last thing he wants is more attention. When it comes to this sex stuff, whether it's "sex offenders" being detained after they've already served their time or on a small scale this illegal seizure of property, it's anything goes. No one wants to defend a "sex offender" or even a run of the mill "john".

Post: #25

This is very selectively enforced. A few thoughts:

1). As many have said, having sex on camera for money is a form of prostitution. Why is this allowed?

2). Why is a stay-at-home wife (or girlfriend) not considered a prostitute, since she's having sex with a man for money, food, and board? This seems like a more heinous crime since it's long term. And if it's not a monetary transaction, why do we have alimony?