(02-28-2014 03:33 PM)birdie num num Wrote: Are there any other cases of US citizens serving in a foreign military and then later entering the government?
(02-28-2014 06:30 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote: It's legal for a US citizen to fight in a foreign war unless you're fighting against America.
(02-28-2014 06:41 PM)Saga Wrote:(02-28-2014 06:30 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote: It's legal for a US citizen to fight in a foreign war unless you're fighting against America.
Aside from a few exceptions it's illegal for a US citizen to even serve in a foreign military. The American volunteers of the Spanish Civil War only escaped prosecution because the FDR administration instructed the Department of Justice to leave them alone...and a lot of them went on to serve the US during WWII so no one was going to drag them into court afterwards.
Quote:According to the U.S. code, any citizen who "enlists or enters himself, or hires or retains another to enlist or enter himself, or to go beyond the jurisdiction of the United States with intent to be enlisted or entered in the service of any foreign prince, state, colony, district, or people as a soldier or as a marine or seaman ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." But a court ruling from 1896 involving U.S. citizens who fought with Cuban revolutionaries against Spanish colonial rule interpreted this to mean that it was only illegal for citizens to be recruited for a foreign army in the United States, not to simply fight in one. (Note to Libya's National Transitional Council: It probably wouldn't be wise to set up a recruiting station on the UCLA campus in hopes of attracting more fighters.)
(02-28-2014 06:48 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote: Many American citizens with dual citizenship - including people I know personally - fulfill their obligations to their other country of citizenship which often includes military service. South Korea, Russia, Cyprus, Turkey, and host of other countries have military service requirements for their citizens.
(02-28-2014 02:09 PM)Samseau Wrote: Technically, Jews have the mark of sin upon them because they rejected Christ.
But I will side with Jews over Muslims in 99% of cases. Islam is the most violent religion on the planet, both historically and presently, so I don't fault Israel for using violence to defend their borders. They have to, because they live next to Muslims.
I would recommend to any anti-Jewish man to read up on their Islamic history and get back to me.
Conquest of the former Christian Syria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmuk
Conquest of Eygpt and Sack of Alexandria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_Egypt
Fall of Constantinople (present day Istanbul):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
My father's side of my family comes from present-day Lebanon/Syria (the boarders have changed so much in the last 100 years so basically it's the same region), and everyone in my family tells me they came to escape religious persecution, as Christians, from Muslims.
Muslims have only grown in power since then, and my great-grandfather was wise to get out of that snakepit. It has been nothing but constant warfare in Syria from power-hungry Muslims ever since.
To this day, religious persecution of Christians in the middle east continues unabated.
Coptic Christians killed 'execution style' in Libya
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/co.../36039.htm
(02-28-2014 08:13 PM)kerouac Wrote: So far, what I'm getting from the Israeli supporters in regards to why people should support Israel over Palestine (or, even more broadly, Muslims) is because Jews are simply better? Since Jews achieve more, we should all support the Zionist dream? Is it not a dream to bring together Jews of all ethnicities to a land where the culture is basically a formulation of what ought to be Jewish (based on the Zionist pioneers' philosophies)? Where people speak modern Hebrew instead of Yiddish, Russian, Arabic, Persian, or Ethiopian?
I'm just trying to figure this out, because as an American, I wonder why the U.S. has any interest in supporting another dream (just like we support feminism today)? Aren't Feminism and Zionism of the same branch of thought (ie. illusory)? I can understand why Jews in America have some sort of bond to Israel, but why should anyone else?
(02-28-2014 08:14 PM)Samseau Wrote:(02-28-2014 08:13 PM)kerouac Wrote: So far, what I'm getting from the Israeli supporters in regards to why people should support Israel over Palestine (or, even more broadly, Muslims) is because Jews are simply better? Since Jews achieve more, we should all support the Zionist dream? Is it not a dream to bring together Jews of all ethnicities to a land where the culture is basically a formulation of what ought to be Jewish (based on the Zionist pioneers' philosophies)? Where people speak modern Hebrew instead of Yiddish, Russian, Arabic, Persian, or Ethiopian?
I'm just trying to figure this out, because as an American, I wonder why the U.S. has any interest in supporting another dream (just like we support feminism today)? Aren't Feminism and Zionism of the same branch of thought (ie. illusory)? I can understand why Jews in America have some sort of bond to Israel, but why should anyone else?
The gist of my argument is, the Jews are far lesser of two evils. Hell, I don't really find Jews all that evil or problematic. They are outnumbered 1,000 to 1.
(03-01-2014 12:43 PM)scorpion Wrote: Even if you throw out the idea that Jews have some kind of self-serving agenda in mind through their control of the media, the simple fact that their domination is so pervasive in this area (not to mention their strong presence in government, academia and banking/finance) is at the very least disturbing simply by virtue of how out of proportion it is compared to their actual population numbers.
This is an ethnic group that comprises about 2% of the population of the U.S., and yet which exercises a totally outsized influence on the culture through its dominance of media, academia, government and banking.
As a thought experiment, imagine if Japan had a minority population of Black Muslims that comprised 2% of its population, yet which controlled all major Japanese news outlets, film studios, television stations, dominated Japanese academia, had an enormous presence in government through appointments and lobbying, and which ran most Japanese banks.
You would have an incredibly small minority of Black Muslims essentially controlling Japanese culture. A people totally disconnected from the ethnic majority culturally, racially and historically would be in de facto control of Japanese society.
Wouldn't that, at the very least, be extremely fucking weird?
And yet that's basically what's going on in the U.S.
(03-01-2014 01:05 PM)8ball Wrote: blacks in the NBA.
(03-01-2014 01:05 PM)8ball Wrote: Asking why there are so many jews in the media is the same as asking why are are so many italians in the restaurant industry or blacks in the NBA.
Quote:Amidst all the brouhaha over CNN's firing of Rick Sanchez for his remarks about Jews in the media, an important distinction is being missed. Yes, there are many individual Jews in positions of influence in Hollywood, in network television, in sports and entertainment, and in many other areas of American public life. These individuals, who happen to be Jewish, do not act together in any kind of conspiratorial manner. There is no "Jewish control" of any of these areas -- or of the many other areas, such as medicine, law, academia, finance -- where there are large numbers of individual Jews in high positions. Many of these individuals are Jewish only in the sense that their parents or grandparents happen to be Jews. They do not live Jewish lives or support Jewish causes. They certainly do not conspire to exercise any sort of "Jewish control" over the areas in which they work.
Indeed, many individual Jews who are in positions of authority are anti-Israel and critical of Jewish values. Others simply don't care about these issues.
Whenever there are allegations of Jewish "control" over the "media," the primary examples cited are The New York Times and the Washington Post. Both were founded by families of Jewish origin. But neither has ever gone out of its way to promote Jewish causes or values. The New York Times was derelict in reporting on the Holocaust and generally opposed the establishment of Israel. It remains critical of many current Israeli policies (as does the Washington Post). Yet Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Meridiaga -- who was a runner up for the papacy -- blamed the Jewish-controlled media, particularly The New York Times, for the sex scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church.
Here is his "logic." He begins by asserting that the Vatican is anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian. It follows, therefore, that "the Jews" had to get even with the Catholic Church, while at the same time deflecting attention away from Israeli injustices against the Palestinians.
The Jews managed to do this by arranging for the media which they, of course, control to give disproportionate attention to the Vatican sex scandal.
Rodriguez compared the Jewish-controlled media with "Hitler," because they are "protagonists of what I do not hesitate to define as a persecution against the Church."
The prime media culprit is, according to Rodriguez, The Boston Globe, which has won numerous journalistic awards for its exposure of the sex scandal and cover-up. The Globe, you see, is owned by The New York Times, which is controlled by the Sulzberger family, which was Jewish in origin. Hence the Jewish conspiracy. Oh, these clever Jews!
One problem with this cockamamie theory is that the Jewish community of Boston was very close to, and admiring of, Cardinal Bernard Law, who presided over the archdiocese during the scandal. Law had built bridges between the Catholic and Jewish communities of Boston, and when the scandal was exposed by the very un-Jewish Boston Globe the Jewish community remained largely supportive of Law.
None of the leading media critics, lawyers or politicians who railed against the church was Jewish. Most were Catholic. But that didn't matter to the bigoted cardinal, who along with other classic anti-Semites believes that if there is a problem "the Jews" must be to blame for it.
As the writer James Carrol, himself a Catholic, has characterized Rodriguez's "crackpot" mindset: "When the church has a problem, here is the oldest move of all, blame the Jews."
Others too insist on conflating individual Jews, who as individuals may have influence in the media, with "Jewish control" over the media. Consider a recent column by Christopher Hitchens, who has called "for Jon Stewart and others to join me in calling for Rick Sanchez's reinstatement." Then listen to what he says: "If it then didn't happen, it would help us to understand who really pulls the strings around here." Who do you suppose he means by "who really pulls the strings?" The "Jews" who control the media? That certainly appears to be the implication. What is he suggesting? That Jews actually get together to decide who gets fired and hired? Or maybe they don't even have to get together, because they all think alike.
Hitchens knows enough individual Jews in the media to realize that "two Jews, three opinions" is a far more accurate characterization than some conspiratorial group-think by the Elders of Zion.
So let's stop all this nonsense about Jewish control over the media and praise those individual Jews who, by dint of hard work and talent, have earned their place, as individuals, in so many areas of American life. I always thought that was the American dream.
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Quote: The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement. From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in staunch opposition to it.
To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people. This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.