Post: #1

I'm very new at doing this. Here's what happened this morning (this DC metro).

I see a girl that I have seen many times before because she gets on my station. Was determined to open her finally. I sat next to her on the platform benches but said nothing (no EC during this time). When we got on the train I sat adjacent to her but not right next to her and opened with something like I see you brought your lunch. At some point, when we were above ground and the sun was in my eyes, I moved to sit right next to her. She had her sunglasses on for the above ground portion of the trip, which I also took to be a negative sign. Talked about how DC was expensive to eat in, then conversation continued. I noticed that I was indifferent to other people as we were talking, which is sort of interesting (i.e. not worrying about what others are thinking).

Obviously I was not super confident, but neither was I a total mess. We touched on several regular conversation topics, but the problem was that I was doing all the leading/asking questions. I don't think she asked me a single thing. So that's bad. There were moments of silence as well, which I just left alone. I felt I talked too much about myself, which I hate to do normally.

At the end, as we were stepping off the escalator to get out I asked what her name was (also bad), and then she said nice chatting with you but I have to rush off/am late to work. I said bye. I took that to mean that she was not interested in me any further. I did not attempt to get her number or instadate, although closing was on my mind.

Should I have tried and close, if only for practice?

Post: #2

IME, a woman judges wether she wil fuck you or not, in the first 2 minutes of your interaction. Which is why when you first see a girl, you should not "plan" on how to talk to her, where you wil sit, how she will react, because you've now lost the element of a casual "it just happened" approach, and now moved to a "here's a creep just staring at me" approach.

You should have opened with something sarcastic and humorous when you were sitting at the platform benches, but instead, you said/did nothing. Opening then, gives you the "I don't give a fuck about your approval of me or not" attitude that women respond to well. This is where she actually lost interest in you, not when she put her shades on, by that time, she was being more direct in letting you know the vibe you had already created.


Women are weird species, and their mechanism react differently than ours. You came across as too nice and needy and well, flat out afraid of her and boring. Immediately, this makes you a creep. Not that you are, I am just analyzing what you described. Next time, say something a bit more sarcastic and humorous than "I see you brought your lunch" (yawn), she could have answered "yeah, and so what? Are you gonna steal it from me?" see what I mean by confidence? I would have said "hey, I'll trade you my Salami sandwich for a Peanut butter cup! Deal?" She will actually laugh at that, and think its cute you are being a silly kid...now move to comfort/trust building, the wall of silence is broken.



Mixx

Post: #3

(12-23-2010 01:39 PM)MiXX Wrote:  [snip]

Mixx

Thank you very much. Makes a lot of sense.

Post: #4

(12-23-2010 01:39 PM)MiXX Wrote:  IME, a woman judges wether she wil fuck you or not, in the first 2 minutes of your interaction. Which is why when you first see a girl, you should not "plan" on how to talk to her, where you wil sit, how she will react, because you've now lost the element of a casual "it just happened" approach, and now moved to a "here's a creep just staring at me" approach.

Mixx

I just received roosh's newsletter where he talks about improving ratio of day2's/call backs by making his initial game more tight. This sort of goes with what you're saying.

I guess it's important to be really good in the first 5 minutes because it sets the whole stage, this is part of the whole 3 second rule. Actually, now that I think about it, she got up before me while sitting on the bench even before the train hit the platform. Guess she was getting creeped out as you said. Can't blame her really.