Post: #1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/...ts_up.html

Im not necessarily advocating drug use here, just opening a forum on recent metastudies by professor Nutt (yes his real name). You can argue he has a slight agenda (rescheduling) but his studies are based on straight science, multiple multiple studies compiled.

It might be a surprise to some people, maybe less with this well educated forum, that Nicotine and Alcohol are worse on the body and mind then many drugs society has grown to except as very bad for you. I guess it is of great interest to me because Im simply getting sick of alcohol, it simply has at least as many negative effects as positive. Its still astounds me to this day how ubiquitous it is, with all the DUIs, crime, depression, etc.

SWIM (someone who isnt me, for the unaware), finds low doses of ecstasy to have at least all of the good effects of alcohol, and then much more. SWIM thinks that their is a misperception with the drug brought on by people taking high doses, saucer eyes, and dancing a fool. This can be fun in the right setting, but low doses have been found by SWIM to be awesome for having a good time and especially picking up girls. The right amount is feeling great, but low enough that anyone other than an astute observer will be none the wiser.

I guess I can understand why things in the chart are illegal while others aren't, it could be an ugly can of worms when people find out that the gov't is not honest about the relative dangers of things.

Just watched a documentary on TWA 800, if you think the gov't is always a purveyor of truth, this is just one quagmire that will shock you.

I completely respect and even admire people who will not put anything in their bodies, it just seems incredibly sheeplike to say "drugs are bad", and then that person proceeds to drink themselves into memory loss.

Post: #2

I could if told you that myself. The world has a huge misconception of all drugs except alcohol. Look at all the bullshit still surrounding weed. The government doesn't want you taking shrooms and thinking to much about everything...

Post: #3

Yeah I didnt in mention big pharma. Benzos can be horrible for you and I have countless friends on them.

My money is on Phillip Morris and Anheiser Busch quashing an interest in other avenues to unwind. Money and crony capitalism is what the gov't runs on

Post: #4

Yeah, it's pretty sickening. If you want a great example of how easily lead people are by the laws/policy of the status quo, and how reluctant the powers to be are to EVER admit they're wrong about something, look no further than drug laws.

As an aside, why do people still do this "SWIM" crap? Kind of annoying. Nobody is cruising online forums looking to bust recreational drug users.
It's way too transparent to actually protect you from self-incrimination anyway.

Post: #5

I didn't realize how brain washed most people are about everything before this fourm.

Post: #6

Quote:I completely respect and even admire people who will not put anything in their bodies, it just seems incredibly sheeplike to say "drugs are bad", and then that person proceeds to drink themselves into memory loss.

For what it's worth, I'm at the point where I usually drink for purely social reasons (when everyone else is drinking, being the only sober guy distances you from the group). I enjoy being drunk but it's not worth the consequences.

That said, I'm not sure I agree with plotting "physical harm" along a single dimension. Some differences can be directly compared but how do you compare the well-known and predictable risks of drinking versus the far less predictable risks of a bad trip on LSD?

Post: #7

Uhhh off topic.
But I just made a new PUA term.

SWAM.

Post: #8

(01-24-2014 06:56 PM)Rosca Wrote:  Uhhh off topic.
But I just made a new PUA term.

SWAM.

By hell or high water, Rosca, you will find a thread about drugs.

So ecstacy and LSD are less harmful than alcohol.

Post: #9

I was wanting to get some blow but then I see the only thing worse is heroin.

Fuck.

Post: #10

Quote:Just watched a documentary on TWA 800, if you think the gov't is always a purveyor of truth, this is just one quagmire that will shock you.

I completely respect and even admire people who will not put anything in their bodies, it just seems incredibly sheeplike to say "drugs are bad", and then that person proceeds to drink themselves into memory loss.

Obama took blow and various other drugs in his younger and more vulnerable years.

If the police had arrested him and brought him into the system, he would not be president.

He now espouses the same drug laws that would have prevented him from getting anywhere close to where he is now.

I love drugs. I've taken many very hard drugs, many times.

Thankfully, I don't have an addictive personality, so I could always stop, at any time, even with very addictive (according to the graph) drugs like cocaine.

Some people get addicted very easily and cannot stop until they've destroyed themselves. Drugs, or otherwise. Most people are sheep though and will just drug themselves through other avenues, for example, the Internet, or Netflix.

Post: #11

wow, I had no idea that heroin was so diabolically off the charts and that lsd was so not off the charts....but at the same time I'd rather hang around someone drunk rather than having a bad trip. There should be another graph called "degree of freaking out sober people when on it"

Post: #12

I have a hard time believing that blow is worse than meth.

I've done plenty of blow and I'm not addicted nor have I felt any terrible effects.

I did meth once by accident (bad E) and it was the worst drug experience I've ever had.

Regardless, cool chart.

Post: #13

(01-24-2014 08:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that blow is worse than meth.

I've done plenty of blow and I'm not addicted nor have I felt any terrible effects.

I did meth once by accident (bad E) and it was the worst drug experience I've ever had.

Regardless, cool chart.

Heroin and meth really scare me and I've never done them.

Cocaine is a selfish drug and there's very little good that comes from it. No great music was ever made on coke.

I saw Ben Westbeech take a couple tabs of ecstasy (not molly) in Tokyo and proceed to spin a fantastic break beats set.

Marijuana is pretty tame.

I think weed can be good for people who are hyper generally. But hell, mellow people seem to like it also.

Post: #14

With all of these drugs, it's not really the drugs that do damage but the lifestyle built around using them

Post: #15

(01-24-2014 08:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that blow is worse than meth.

I've done plenty of blow and I'm not addicted nor have I felt any terrible effects.

I did meth once by accident (bad E) and it was the worst drug experience I've ever had.

Regardless, cool chart.

I almost always get weird heart palpitations when I go to bed after doing coke. I can easily see how this shit could give you a heart attack if you did too much.

Post: #16

(01-24-2014 08:40 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that blow is worse than meth.

I've done plenty of blow and I'm not addicted nor have I felt any terrible effects.

I did meth once by accident (bad E) and it was the worst drug experience I've ever had.

Regardless, cool chart.

Couldn't resist

Post: #17

Did someone say 'drugs'?

Post: #18

Anyone ever drink everclear? Yeah alcohol is a drug, but as they teach in pharmacy, "the poison's in the dose."

I've had plenty of bad stuff happen with alcohol.

Post: #19

I think heroin and coke are easier to overdose on so maybe that's why. That or they're cut with more un healthy shit than meth Idk I'd like to see how they made that chart with those 3.

Post: #20

Takin MDMA was very revealing for me as to the pointlessness of approach anxiety and really any insecurities

Post: #21

Ecstasy:

Post: #22

I don't see meth on the chart, only amphetamine

Unlike amphetamine and cocaine, methamphetamine is neurotoxic to humans, damaging both dopamine and serotonin neurons in the CNS. Entirely opposite to the long-term use of amphetamine, there is evidence that methamphetamine causes brain damage from long-term use in humans; this damage includes adverse changes in brain structure and function, such as reductions in gray matter volume in several brain regions and adverse changes in markers of metabolic integrity.

Post: #23

I've been smoking weed for years, the only problem is... is....um....uhh....... I forgot what I was going to say. What were we talking about?

Post: #24

(01-25-2014 12:01 AM)Beginner Wrote:  I don't see meth on the chart, only amphetamine

Unlike amphetamine and cocaine, methamphetamine is neurotoxic to humans, damaging both dopamine and serotonin neurons in the CNS. Entirely opposite to the long-term use of amphetamine, there is evidence that methamphetamine causes brain damage from long-term use in humans; this damage includes adverse changes in brain structure and function, such as reductions in gray matter volume in several brain regions and adverse changes in markers of metabolic integrity.

Uh, source? I find this incredibly hard to believe.

All amphetamines (amphetamine, methamphetamine, dextroamphetamine, levoamphetamine, MDMA, and many others...) are known to be neurotoxic with chronic use and with high doses. Meth is just more potent... It's like saying whiskey is more neurotoxic than beer, heh. Take a substantial dose of prescription speed and your brain is going to be in no better shape than if you had used a small dose of methamphetamine.

Post: #25

i have no idea i'm not an expert i copied it from here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine