Post: #1

Ok. So I read Sunshine Mary, a "red pill christian" blogger for whatever that means. I give her points for actually trying to obey her husband.

So. In this post

http://sunshinemaryandthedragon.wordpres...rebellion/

She talks about one of her simple "rebellion" of not washing the knives by hand and kept putting them in the dishwasher. When it broke for unrelated reasons, her husband wouldn't fix it. Told her to wash things by hand.

Then a fellow blogger discussed this on their facebook page. SSM then collated the responses. It's pretty epic hamsterisms. Example below.

And also, news at 11, Christian women aren't any different from secular women.

Quote: So how do devout Christian women respond to the idea of a husband having the right, as the Biblically-appointed head of the marriage, to enforce mild consequences such as refusing to replace a broken dishwasher on an unsubmissive, disobedient wife? I've gone through the Facebook comment thread and grouped the responses to Lori's question into ten common themes (all highlighting is mine; some comments were edited with [...] for brevity):

1. A husband has no authority to tell his wife what to do. A man is only permitted to love his wife, and by love, I mean let her do whatever she wants.

Laura Bouter He can’t control what she does. She is the only one responsible for submitting. If she chooses not to, that is between her and God. Her husband’s only responsibility is to love her, that’s what he’s called to do. Not buying her a new dish washer sounds like he is lording his position over her. It doesn’t sound very loving to me. I think if a husband does this, it’s a sign of his selfishness.

Christina Oizaf I have to agree with this! It’s God’s job to work with each person and not have someone looking over their shoulder throwing a tizzy because you aren’t measuring up. I think Jesus address this with that whole speck and plank thing. The minute the way others act or how they treat you becomes more of a concern than your own actions is a sure sign you have gotten off track.

Veronica DePrato Man is naturally sinful and can’t be trusted to “discipline” his wife. That’s between her and God…

Antony N Jilly The Bible ONLY tells the husband to LOVE!!!! Love = prayer!…Where is love from the husband in that?

Karen's avatar Lindsay Harold I think the dishwasher thing sounds inappropriate. If it’s a case of not being able to afford a new dishwasher right now, that’s a perfectly valid call for a husband to make. But if it is (as it sounds like) a case of a husband who doesn’t like that his wife does things differently than he does and tries to punish her by making her life harder, that’s petty and childish. That doesn’t mean that the wife should rebel or disobey him, but it does mean that the husband is acting improperly. That is NOT servant leadership. The wife should voice her concerns, appeal to him, and then submit in order to win him without a word. It might also be appropriate to apologize for ignoring his wishes. But her offense doesn’t justify his response. Nor is it his duty or right to discipline her as if she was a child.

Karen's avatar Karen …Wives are not children that the husband can ‘discipline’. Husbands are to love their wives as it says in Ephesians 5:25-29 ESV…There is nothing there about punishing or disciplining the human wife! He is to treat her as himself!!

Christina Oizaf Hmmm, I don’t know that the idea of disciplining your wife is biblical. I don’t think parenting your spouse has any part in a marriage. Should he buy her a new washer? Well, that is certainly his choice. Is it a sign of a lack of love, I don’t think so.

Reading that last one, my husband snorted, “Neither do the Scriptures say anything about dishwashers. Therefore, we should get rid of them. See, I am a very Scriptural man.”

Post: #2

It's been said the devil lurks behind the cross. These responses are a great example of how easily one can justify their own self-interest in the name of God.

Post: #3

(01-19-2014 03:11 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  Ok. So I read Sunshine Mary, a "red pill christian" blogger for whatever that means. I give her points for actually trying to obey her husband.

So. In this post

http://sunshinemaryandthedragon.wordpres...rebellion/

She talks about one of her simple "rebellion" of not washing the knives by hand and kept putting them in the dishwasher. When it broke for unrelated reasons, her husband wouldn't fix it. Told her to wash things by hand.

Then a fellow blogger discussed this on their facebook page. SSM then collated the responses. It's pretty epic hamsterisms. Example below.

And also, news at 11, Christian women aren't any different from secular women.

Quote: So how do devout Christian women respond to the idea of a husband having the right, as the Biblically-appointed head of the marriage, to enforce mild consequences such as refusing to replace a broken dishwasher on an unsubmissive, disobedient wife? I've gone through the Facebook comment thread and grouped the responses to Lori's question into ten common themes (all highlighting is mine; some comments were edited with [...] for brevity):

1. A husband has no authority to tell his wife what to do. A man is only permitted to love his wife, and by love, I mean let her do whatever she wants.

Laura Bouter He can’t control what she does. She is the only one responsible for submitting. If she chooses not to, that is between her and God. Her husband’s only responsibility is to love her, that’s what he’s called to do. Not buying her a new dish washer sounds like he is lording his position over her. It doesn’t sound very loving to me. I think if a husband does this, it’s a sign of his selfishness.

Christina Oizaf I have to agree with this! It’s God’s job to work with each person and not have someone looking over their shoulder throwing a tizzy because you aren’t measuring up. I think Jesus address this with that whole speck and plank thing. The minute the way others act or how they treat you becomes more of a concern than your own actions is a sure sign you have gotten off track.

Veronica DePrato Man is naturally sinful and can’t be trusted to “discipline” his wife. That’s between her and God…

Antony N Jilly The Bible ONLY tells the husband to LOVE!!!! Love = prayer!…Where is love from the husband in that?

Karen's avatar Lindsay Harold I think the dishwasher thing sounds inappropriate. If it’s a case of not being able to afford a new dishwasher right now, that’s a perfectly valid call for a husband to make. But if it is (as it sounds like) a case of a husband who doesn’t like that his wife does things differently than he does and tries to punish her by making her life harder, that’s petty and childish. That doesn’t mean that the wife should rebel or disobey him, but it does mean that the husband is acting improperly. That is NOT servant leadership. The wife should voice her concerns, appeal to him, and then submit in order to win him without a word. It might also be appropriate to apologize for ignoring his wishes. But her offense doesn’t justify his response. Nor is it his duty or right to discipline her as if she was a child.

Karen's avatar Karen …Wives are not children that the husband can ‘discipline’. Husbands are to love their wives as it says in Ephesians 5:25-29 ESV…There is nothing there about punishing or disciplining the human wife! He is to treat her as himself!!

Christina Oizaf Hmmm, I don’t know that the idea of disciplining your wife is biblical. I don’t think parenting your spouse has any part in a marriage. Should he buy her a new washer? Well, that is certainly his choice. Is it a sign of a lack of love, I don’t think so.

Reading that last one, my husband snorted, “Neither do the Scriptures say anything about dishwashers. Therefore, we should get rid of them. See, I am a very Scriptural man.”

Christian women treat the church the same way they treat any other organization/institution - as something to be extracted from with minimal give. They like the unity and psychological comfort of the church and believing, but when it comes to giving back, they balk. And by "giving back" I don't mean the easy shit like putting money in the tip tray or baking for the picnic after Sunday's service... I'm talking about the not slutting around, not drinking too much, etc. shit. These things are hard for women to say no to and therefore, most don't. They only really give a flying fuck about being Christian when they need something from it. But not if the price of that something is too high, of course.

When the Bible was written, it wasn't suppose to be an A La Carte menu.

Post: #4

Ya, because if your children refuse to eat their vegetables and only consume ice cream, that's between them and God.

If you love your wife, teach her obedience.

Post: #5

No other Holy Book is more critical of women than the Bible. God knows what he's talking about gentlemen.

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Whoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. He that sacrificeth unto any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." (Exodus 22:18-20)

Fuck a fat bitch, burn in hell. Sounds fair to me.

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Genesis 3:16)

And finally, these heavy hitting verses that ARE NOT in SOME BIBLES.

"Give me any plague, but the plague of the heart: and any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman." (Eccles. 25:13)

"OF THE WOMAN CAME THE BEGINNING OF SIN, AND THROUGH HER WE ALL DIE." (ECCLES. 25:22)

"If she go not as thou wouldest have her, cut her off from thy flesh, and give her a bill of divorce, and let her go." (Eccles. 25: 26)

"The whoredom of a woman may be known in her haughty looks and eyelids. If thy daughter be shameless, keep her in straitly, lest she abuse herself through overmuch liberty." (Eccles. 26:9-10)

"A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord: and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed. A shamefaced and faithful woman is a double grace, and her continent mind cannot be valued." (Eccles. 26:14-15)

"A shameless woman shall be counted as a dog; but she that is shamefaced will fear the Lord." (Eccles.26:25)

"For from garments cometh a moth, and from women wickedness. Better is the churlishness of a man than a courteous woman, a woman, I say, which bringeth shame and reproach." (Eccles. 42:13-14)

The Word of GOD has been spoken...

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Post: #6

There are people in this world who don't even have access to water to wash with, never mind dishwashers.

First world problem.

Post: #7

All of this probably could have been avoided:

IF the man just explained that sharp knives shouldn't be run through the dishwasher because it dulls the blade.(i didn't read through all of the comments, got to sick of them, but shit, that is something everyone should know, not just women, not just men, but you don't run a sharp knife(like a chopping knife) through the dishwasher.

if it was butter knives, then she has a point.

Post: #8

(01-20-2014 02:23 AM)master_thespian Wrote:  All of this probably could have been avoided:

IF the man just explained that sharp knives shouldn't be run through the dishwasher because it dulls the blade.(i didn't read through all of the comments, got to sick of them, but shit, that is something everyone should know, not just women, not just men, but you don't run a sharp knife(like a chopping knife) through the dishwasher.

if it was butter knives, then she has a point.

Yeah, this was the point. SSM knew it was the nice sharp knives that were getting dulled.

Post: #9

God instructs men to comply with a females every whim ehh?

Post: #10

Kudos to SSM for highlighting the hamsterrific responses to her genuine contrition, but I don't understand how she could have possibly had a problem with washing knives by hand the first time. These are knives - you just wipe the blade with a soapy sponge and rinse. It literally takes two arm movements to wash a knife, and you can wash several of them at the same time if you position them right in your hand. It's much faster than sticking them in the dishwasher.