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(01-24-2016 01:41 AM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  Position yourself so that you have a passport from one country, your residence in a second country, work (income) in a third country and banking in a forth country. The formula for freedom is taking your ass and your assets and spreading them to the wind.
It is mathematically expressed as F = (A+A) to the infinity power. Throughout history people want take your assets and control your ass. It is no different now. There is nothing illegal about it.

Ideally 2-3 passports, 2-3 countries of residency, mobile work (or retired), banking/finance/storage in 3 or 4 countries,

In the 70´s and 80´s we were called PT´s (perpetual travelers, previous taxpayers, permanent tourist and many others).

I would say have as many citizenships and bank accounts as possible, then you can figure out which countries are good for which purposes. Have Irish/Lithuanian/Ukrainian/etc grandparents? Check out the citizenship rules by ancestry of every country where you might be eligible for citizenship.

Same thing with bank accounts. Visiting Thailand? A few years ago, it was possible to ask around at bank branches and open an account pretty much instantly by showing a hotel bill for one day (!) as proof of residence. They might have changed the rules since then, but you get the point. It never hurts to ask. Keep in mind that US persons have to file a FBAR form every year disclosing foreign bank accounts. Takes about 5 minutes to fill it out online.
01-26-2016 08:22 PM
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RE: Going on the lam
(01-26-2016 08:22 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  
(01-24-2016 01:41 AM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  Position yourself so that you have a passport from one country, your residence in a second country, work (income) in a third country and banking in a forth country. The formula for freedom is taking your ass and your assets and spreading them to the wind.
It is mathematically expressed as F = (A+A) to the infinity power. Throughout history people want take your assets and control your ass. It is no different now. There is nothing illegal about it.

Ideally 2-3 passports, 2-3 countries of residency, mobile work (or retired), banking/finance/storage in 3 or 4 countries,

In the 70´s and 80´s we were called PT´s (perpetual travelers, previous taxpayers, permanent tourist and many others).

I would say have as many citizenships and bank accounts as possible, then you can figure out which countries are good for which purposes. Have Irish/Lithuanian/Ukrainian/etc grandparents? Check out the citizenship rules by ancestry of every country where you might be eligible for citizenship.

Same thing with bank accounts. Visiting Thailand? A few years ago, it was possible to ask around at bank branches and open an account pretty much instantly by showing a hotel bill for one day (!) as proof of residence. They might have changed the rules since then, but you get the point. It never hurts to ask. Keep in mind that US persons have to file a FBAR form every year disclosing foreign bank accounts. Takes about 5 minutes to fill it out online.

Sure why not, just keep in mind that you must continually keep track of all of renewals, accounting, filings, and especially the applicability of laws between your home country (if you have one) the country where your passport was issued, the country in which you are living (residing in terms of legality), and banking/finance/investment. But then you can always pay others to do that or organize under trusts or other umbrellas.

The citizenship along the ancestry line is solid advice. Just Do It !

The main point that I would re-iterate is to have them compartmentalized into different jurisdictions so that the entities that want your ass (in terms of residence and travel documents), are separate from those that want your assets (in terms of work or other monetary dealings). It will be difficult for one entity to grab on to another.
01-28-2016 12:04 AM
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^^^Hmm...I think I am elligible for 2nd citizenship by blood in a few countries. I may look into that.

Hypothetically speaking...is opening an offshore account usuing your second passport to prove identity a legal way to get around FACTA?

Quote:Keep in mind that US persons have to file a FBAR form every year disclosing foreign bank accounts. Takes about 5 minutes to fill it out online.

For those interested -it is my understanding this only applies if the total is more than $10k (across all accounts).

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01-29-2016 06:54 PM
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(01-29-2016 06:54 PM)NovaVirtu Wrote:  ^^^Hmm...I think I am elligible for 2nd citizenship by blood in a few countries. I may look into that.

Hypothetically speaking...is opening an offshore account usuing your second passport to prove identity a legal way to get around FACTA?

Quote:Keep in mind that US persons have to file a FBAR form every year disclosing foreign bank accounts. Takes about 5 minutes to fill it out online.

For those interested -it is my understanding this only applies if the total is more than $10k (across all accounts).

I'm not a lawyer, but I think it's illegal if you open an foreign bank account under a foreign passport and not report it in the FBAR form if your total balance in foreign accounts exceeded 10K at any point during the year you are reporting (previous year to report filing date).
01-29-2016 10:40 PM
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Go to Sweden, claim to be a 15 year old "refugee."

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01-30-2016 02:32 AM
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Go to Germany, claim that your feelings where hurt.

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01-30-2016 01:58 PM
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This is part of the point of spreading your ass and your assets to the wind. There should be little to no connection between your identities. Is it your account when you are using another (legal) identity? Legalistically the answer is no. Who is your? So what is a legal entity? I recommend that individuals give this serious thought and study. Say you are using your same name, what then? A practical example of a work-around is with a Latin American passport and the use of your mother´s maiden name in addition or only the mother´s last name. This is normal in many Latin American countries as they use the mothers name and the father´s name. But on documents, the mothers name is sometimes omitted. Also many countries offer Banking Passports. The extremely wealthy have been using these types of activities tied with (foreign) trusts, (offshore) companies and other legal entities for hundreds of years. Is there a practical implication if some agency can connect your two passports and your accounts? Possibly.

If you want to play in the deep end, remember many of the people (agencies) swimming around here are not looking out for you, they want what you have…your ass and your assets.
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01-30-2016 04:42 PM
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(01-14-2014 08:39 AM)Onto Wrote:  They got this guy for not paying child support. Must have been a huge amount for it to be over $1million. As I read the article again, I don't think they came after him, he just got unlucky using false papers to travel to the Phil after he had been successfully living in Thailand for a long time. If I remember right, he got in trouble in Thailand and had to flee from there as well. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/1-de...-1.1223294

Old post but I just had to comment...

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That guy must have been high as fuck. Either that or a retard. When Thailand shares a land border with Cambodia, why would anyone 'on the run' choose the Philippines?
02-22-2016 07:44 AM
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Before you resort to illegal means, see whether you can accomplish the same purpose legally. Otherwise, you may end upturning a simple civil judgement for a business debt into multiple felonies.

For example, if you move someplace inside the US, and live a low profile life, you can be pretty free. Illegal aliens and teenage runaways do this. Of course much depends on who's looking for you and why. IMHO, if the government is after you,you're better off getting excellent legal representation. It'll cost you, but you'll earn it back during the years you're working instead of in prison (i.e., reduced sentence.) If it's a civil suit for money, you can stay in the US, <b> because you fit in</b> much easier than somewhere as a foreigner. And you can do so without breaking any laws.
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if you have contacts in a country that are willing to do everything via straw purchase for you (basically pay all your bills in their name) then you could theoretically live there indefinitely without any paper trace whatsoever.
02-29-2016 01:41 AM
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