Post: #51

Handsome Creepy Eel and McQueen giving some solid advice in here. I'd add that this all could've been EASILY avoided by one of the easy answers to this question:

"Yeah, I use condoms sometimes when I jerk off"

(01-09-2014 02:11 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  I think what's coloring my perception is that I was planning to go exclusive with her, and then this happened.

It sounds like you were planning on offering her exclusivity. If you didn't bring up exclusivity earlier on, why would you now? That's the girl's job to escalate the relationship status, not yours.

(01-09-2014 05:34 PM)Closer68 Wrote:  I'd be very careful and think twice before you take the advice of guys 10 years younger than you who are in a different phase in life.

Age isn't directly correlated with experience with these types of situations, and not everyone giving him the advice you don't like is 10 years or even at all younger than him. Logical fallacies don't belong on this forum.

Post: #52

(01-08-2014 05:43 PM)Closer68 Wrote:  We need more context: Is this girl wife material? Do you want her to be the mother of your children?

Gonna go out on a limb and suggest maybe not considering marriage to a girl who counts condoms.

Post: #53

(01-09-2014 07:30 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  Handsome Creepy Eel and McQueen giving some solid advice in here. I'd add that this all could've been EASILY avoided by one of the easy answers to this question:

"Yeah, I use condoms sometimes when I jerk off"

That would be my first instinct. That said, it's still a fairly weak frame in that you're making excuses.

Post: #54

(01-09-2014 07:30 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  Age isn't directly correlated with experience with these types of situations

To which "experience" do you refer? Since we're talking marriage, age is, in fact, correlated with propensity to marry. A 21 year old is far less likely to be married than a 31 year old, as supported by the data.

https://www.census.gov/hhes/socdemo/marr...12figs.pdf

(01-09-2014 07:45 PM)Blaster Wrote:  Gonna go out on a limb and suggest maybe not considering marriage to a girl who counts condoms.

"Wife type" of women are jealous by nature; get used to it.

Post: #55

She is upset she lost the relationship. Not that she lost you, that is the most important thing to remember. Right now it is important to do damage control, make sure to insulate yourself if she decides to get vindictive.

Most important, she saved you the trouble.

Post: #56

(01-08-2014 06:01 PM)Closer68 Wrote:  

(01-08-2014 05:48 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  Yes actually, that's part of the reason I feel so bad. I'm 31 and would like to start a family soon. She's a young intelligent PhD student.

In that case, I recommend telling her you did it because you were afraid of getting hurt, she wasn't giving you enough attention, etc. Convey emotional vulnerability and do not make this about sex. The little hamster thinks men are the same as women so this is the time to play that angle up.

(01-08-2014 05:52 PM)Col. Tigh Wrote:  I don't see why further context is necessary. This is a textbook case of oneitis. Particularly if he's daydreaming about putting a ring on it.

Dude - with all due respect, that "oneitis" stuff is played out. I guess it's cool when you're so young that you can't even think about settling down but that doesn't apply here. The man is 31 and wants to start a family.. it's not oneitis, it's MARRIAGE. Marriage is a good thing because it allows you to participate in society, raise children who aren't bastards, have backup pussy for life and, most importantly, it doesn't mean you have to stop banging other chicks.

(01-08-2014 05:52 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  Your options are to give her exclusivity now, along with your balls and dignity. Or hold frame, don't contact her until she re-initiates, and at that point, you discuss what each of you wants moving forward, and move on.

Balls and dignity? Dude the guy is 31 he's not looking to be running night game forever.

(01-09-2014 05:34 PM)Closer68 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 09:27 AM)augen sehen Wrote:  my view of this girl changed from "self-absorbed blonde chick" to someone who cooked for me and made an effort to please me. That's why I wanted to go exclusive with her and even if/when it does get to marriage, it's not going to be right away, but I saw the signs I was looking for.

All that matters is what you think, how you feel, and what you want. None of us on this board, including me, matters one bit. I'd be very careful and think twice before you take the advice of guys 10 years younger than you who are in a different phase in life.

If you like this girl - and you say that you do - then you need to do what it takes to get her back. Oneitis is a bad thing when you CAN'T get other chicks, so it's an important concept for AFCs to familiarize themselves with early on. But you're out here fucking multiple chicks - that's clearly not your problem. Once you've got game and you know how to pull chicks, I find oneitis to be underrated. There should be one special girl in your life i.e. "wifey."

I don't see any benefit to making her come to you, waiting it out, etc. At the same time do NOT apologize but you can totally do the vulnerable/emotional thing here, as previously discussed.

(01-09-2014 08:50 PM)Closer68 Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 07:30 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  Age isn't directly correlated with experience with these types of situations

To which "experience" do you refer? Since we're talking marriage, age is, in fact, correlated with propensity to marry. A 21 year old is far less likely to be married than a 31 year old, as supported by the data.

https://www.census.gov/hhes/socdemo/marr...12figs.pdf

(01-09-2014 07:45 PM)Blaster Wrote:  Gonna go out on a limb and suggest maybe not considering marriage to a girl who counts condoms.

"Wife type" of women are jealous by nature; get used to it.

Quote: MrXY Wrote:

(01-06-2014 05:18 PM)Closer68 Wrote: If you know what you're doing, 100 is nothing these days. In two months, 10/13-12/13, I banged 31 chicks running SA game.


So in 60 days you banged 31 girls-1 every two days

Considering that there's no way you banged every one on the first date, or banged every girl you met even after subsequent dates, how many dates did you go out on during this 60 day period? 50? 60? 80?

Or are you claiming you did bang virtually all of them on the first date?

Are you independently wealthy with no need to work?

And you accomplished this you claim while making the girls pay for the dates?

You should have kept going- with your great resources of time, energy and money, you could have banged 180 girls for free in 2013!



I appreciate the skepticism, but please let me assure you that I'm telling the truth. I greatly admire your posts here (it took me like a week to read the entire "Seeking Arrangement Game" thread before deciding to join) so if you'd be interested in speaking over the telephone I'd be happy to give you a call and discuss further as I don't anticipate it taking more than 5-10 minutes to convince you.

Anyhow, I bang multiple chicks per day - all of them on out of town trips. Yes, as a matter of fact I did bang them all on the first date because I only see them once. Banging or not there is never a next time. I'm 31/33 thus far, with my only two failures being with strippers - who have WAY too much game for me to hack. I now screen against strippers heavily. Most I have banged in one day is 6 and fewest in one day is 2. It's either multiple chicks or none because I only have the hotel for so long before I have to head back home where I am NOT single. I also do not feel comfortable doing this in my hometown.

I did make the girls pay for the dates, but sometimes it could just be her bringing over some drive through or a sandwich and I ate in the room. I don't do this for free food as I travel on an expense account, it's moreso to test her for submissiveness which will be key to getting the bang. I also believe that the more you make a girl invest in you the more likely she is to bang.

Quote:RE: Is 100+ women banged nothing these days?

(01-08-2014 06:14 PM)Vicious Wrote: That other web forum thread consist of you mostly arguing with the regulars.


True, yet incomplete. My entire 8 year posting history mostly consists of me arguing with the regulars. My entire life on this earth consists of that sort of thing. I'm not a regular guy by any means.

(01-08-2014 06:14 PM)Vicious Wrote: If I had such an extensive history of p4p, as it's evident you have from that board, I wouldn't really come to this type of forum and put it out in the open.


Once I was no longer single and couldn't openly date or run public game, I decided P4P was the best way to go. Not something I'm ashamed of or looking to hide from RVF. At this point, however, I see no need for P4P, as SA game provides the sort of anonymous, novel encounters I seek. Once I started denouncing P4P, the mods on the other site banned me and suggested I join a dating forum. At first I was pissed but then I realized that I had outgrown the only forum I'd ever been a part of and decided to join RVF. Do you feel that I don't belong here?

(01-08-2014 07:15 PM)Que enspastic Wrote: Closer68, I am afraid your big baller claims are about to attract some v close scrutiny from the Roosh V community.


I'm here to help anyone who is interested in learning from my experiences and will answer all questions truthfully. I can't control anything beyond that. I'm not here trying to gloat but I will say that I started life as a huge AFC (lost my virginity AFTER college) so I take great personal satisfaction in the fact that I've been able to turn it around to such a degree. I find tremendous fulfillment in helping others do the same.

Quote: augen sehen Wrote: Is two days too early to reach out?


NEVER let the pussy go cold. There's no such thing as a single woman - they swing from one vine to the next. If you don't text her she very well may call up some dude and bang him. Under normal circumstances, that doesn't matter... but you said you want her to be your wife... so.... yeah.

I'd text her now with something like "I knew you never truly cared about me."

From Tuthmosis' Types of RVF Trolls:

Quote:3. Big-Baller Troll
Even if you have a topless Scarlett Johansson currently grinding against your cock, while lavishing you with syrupy praise--making it near-impossible to type your RooshVForum post--Big-Baller Troll still has more game than you. It's interesting that a guy who lays down so much pipe invariably makes retarded remarks about game or asks very elementary questions. Still, he will often excoriate and brow-beat others--with impressive Internet Courage--with bold assertions about his championship-level game, with little proof or indicator that it actually exists.

Lets consider the evidence regarding Closer68 in light of known Big Baller Troll characteristics:


Claims supranormal game accomplishments: Yes

Talks as if he's a game expert but doesn't seem to understand the basic concepts of game:Yes

Consequently, gives terrible game advice: Yes

Replies with non sequiturs and illogic: Yes

Talks in a condescending and argumentative fashion to other posters: Yes

Admits he belonged for eight years to a whoremongers site from which he was banned: Yes

OK, that last one is not an official Big Baller Troll trait but it should give everyone a good idea of the kind of person we are talking about here.

BTW-I could have cited other posts but did not due to concerns about length but his posting history is there for the interested. And all this in 47 posts.

My vote: Big Baller Troll

Post: #57

(01-09-2014 10:50 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Lets consider the evidence regarding Closer68 in light of known Big Baller Troll characteristics:


Claims supranormal game accomplishments: Yes

Talks as if he's a game expert but doesn't seem to understand the basic concepts of game:Yes

Consequently, gives terrible game advice: Yes

Replies with non sequiturs and illogic: Yes

Talks in a condescending and argumentative fashion to other posters: Yes

Admits he belonged for eight years to a whoremongers site from which he was banned: Yes

OK, that last one is not an official Big Baller Troll trait but it should give everyone a good idea of the kind of person we are talking about here.

BTW-I could have cited other posts but did not due to concerns about length but his posting history is there for the interested. And all this in 47 posts.

My vote: Big Baller Troll

Is this just for your personal entertainment or is this a personal attack? If the latter, I'm open to getting on the phone with you and/or meeting in person in order to further discuss my qualifications. Thank you.

Post: #58

(01-09-2014 02:11 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  I think what's coloring my perception is that I was planning to go exclusive with her, and then this happened. It's fucking with my head. I have no problem walking away like I did from the other girl but it doesn't seem like this is a time when I should, because I had already given her value in my mind by considering making her my GF.

I haven't contacted the other girl yet either, I've been busy preparing for an interview.

Kinda similar situation I recently had: http://thisistrouble.com/2014/01/01/i-co...d-my-blog/

It's hard to tell obviously without being there myself, but it sounds like you didn't hold your frame. It's all about OWNING the situation. This means you can't stutter, can't apologize, and you have to act as if you're the prize. Judging by the way you're writing these posts, I can almost promise you that you didn't come across that way.

But...I regress, what's done is done.

1.) Don't send the text you mention as everyone said.
2.) It's important that she chase you in return, because you did NOTHING wrong. Did she ask for commitment? Did you give her it? No, no. Therefore, accept no blame.

If you're going to go loony (I know I know, it's hard not to sometimes) and text her first, ignore what happened the other night and text her as you normally would.

"Friday night drinks, wear a dress." Or something of the sort. Ignore the situation that happened. No "we need to talk" BS.

Post: #59

As it goes right now, whether it's your guys's advice or my own player brain, I feel less and less like texting her or calling her to get back together. The more I think about it, the less I feel that she did anything that indicated that she was interested in a serious, exclusive relationship with me, and in fact she did things that pissed me off but I stuck with her because I liked her company otherwise.

If she's gonna be a bitch about it and try to blame me for whatever, then I just want my phone back and we can split ways. I'll find another girl, one who actually acts like she wants a relationship (if I want one too at that point) and can communicate clearly.

Post: #60

The problem is that you are asking us(strangers) for advice on how to get a girl we don't even know back.

I am sorry man but it seems that she was the one that left you.

She picked that fight with you on purpose. She probably knew you was fucking other girls and wanted to end it without seeming like the bad guy.

Players fuck up. Can' be a player and be looking for a potential wife at the same time.

Post: #61

(01-10-2014 04:01 AM)augen sehen Wrote:  .. I just want my phone back and we can split ways. I'll find another girl..

Fair enough. Given this update, please disregard my previous guidance and ignore her.

Post: #62

(01-08-2014 04:28 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  This all went down about 30 minutes ago.

We were in my room, and she saw my condom box (big mistake since we aren't using condoms anymore) and checked inside, and saw that there weren't the same amount as when she last looked. She asked me if I was using them and I truthfully said, until last December yes. We've been seeing each other since September and never had an exclusivity talk. I started seeing the other girl in October.

Then she asked me who the other girl was, and I told her you don't know her, but her name is ____, and I broke it off with her because I wanted to be exclusive with you.

Long story short, she got pissed and left. Now I don't know how to handle it. I'm not the crying/bawling type, but I don't know how much emotion to show. I do want to keep seeing her, and I in fact was planning to drop the other one for her so we could be exclusive, but now I don't know whether she even wants me back or if the relationship would have started on a bad note with my "cheating".

I asked her if she thought I was lying and she said "yes of course and I don't know how you can do something like this, but I can't." One other thing she said was that I should have told her, that having unprotected sex with her wasn't safe if I was also with another woman, even if I was using condoms with the other one.

Fuck. I don't know why I didn't just lie, because I was super careful to keep both of them from knowing the existence of each other but figured that now I wasn't seeing the other one anymore, I could tell her the truth. Now I know I guess. What should be my next steps? Silence for a day or two? We were talking about going out to a sushi place a few days from now, should I make reservations and tell her to meet me there to talk?

I'm surprised you didn't drop the "Gave some to my roommate," or "gave some to my friend" line.

Also +1 to Iceberg for accusing her of being creepy and invasive.

Gaslight that hoe!

Post: #63

Quick question...How long were you guys sexually active? Your GIRLFRIEND!?!?!?! Potential Marriage!?!?!?!

I'm sorry but those sort of thoughts means you have LOTS OF GROWING TO DO and MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE because a man who is "given in abundance" isn't going to jump on the first chick who cooks/clean for him without fuss. You will always CLASH with women, it's how people grow, thing is people jump into relationships without any solid foundation/experience of being with that person in a wide assortment of scenarios.

The actual HOLE is the fact that you trying to "keep her around" as if you don't trust that you can go out and meet another set of awesome chicks in the matter of a month. Do you not trust in your attraction as a man?

1. You shoulda set the frame from the start..."I'm still searching, this is cool for now and if the time ever comes that I want to settle down, I'll let you know."
2. WHY WOULD YOU LIE!?!?!? Just so she can stick around? LAME, own who you are and take responsibility for your actions
3. STOP THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN CALIBRATE, learn your lesson and set the tone from the start as to "what your about"

You did nothing wrong, it was her issue for getting mad and breaking it off. I've been in a similar situation when I had to tell a chick to get tested (nothing was ever wrong with me) she thought I was banging chicks while I was with her. She started stating she only hooked up with me and only me. I told her it it was only after I had already broken it off but to just be better safe than sorry.

We ended up running into each other again and sorta rekindled the flame for bit before I eventually just broke it off.

Post: #64

Thank you Distant Light, McQueen, Days of Broken Arrows and others. I guess I was too emotional in the heat of the moment. One thing I did do right was not contact her then or beg and plead for her to stay. The more I think about it, the more I realize she overreacted.

At this point I will be serene if she walks away, and go out and game other girls. Even IF I were to take her back, it would have to be on my terms.

Those condom lines are great...
"Sometimes I masturbate with them. It's to help me feel the same as when I have sex."
"I gave some to my roommate." <-- this was perfect, but my frame is that I wasn't going to lie.
"No you're silly. It's the same amount, I just bought more just in case, and I wanted to try the new brand."

Here's the point where you can berate me yet again... I didn't wait for the recommended week, mostly because unlike roissy's post, she didn't break up with me thinking that I'm beta. Today I texted her saying that I am so relieved after the interview. No response.

Then I texted her a few hours later saying to tell me what the hell to do with the turkey she left in my fridge, that we were prepping when all of this happened. An hour later she texted "cook it in a pan". I texted back "ok".

Post: #65

delete her number. when you get the urge to text her again (because you will since she gave you nada with what she texted back). you won't be able to.

plus when she finally does reach out. you can truly say "who is this"

Post: #66

(01-10-2014 06:08 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  Here's the point where you can berate me yet again... I didn't wait for the recommended week, mostly because unlike roissy's post, she didn't break up with me thinking that I'm beta. Today I texted her saying that I am so relieved after the interview. No response.

Then I texted her a few hours later saying to tell me what the hell to do with the turkey she left in my fridge, that we were prepping when all of this happened. An hour later she texted "cook it in a pan". I texted back "ok".

Basically done for a while... maybe permanently... let it sit as long as possible. If she didn't have your phone, I'd definitely recommend just not contacting at all.

My two cents would be letting it sit; maybe hit her up in 3 weeks or somesuch, or waiting for her to contact - and keep it open and honest the whole way through (starting with just getting her out with you, not addressing the prior issues; if she brings them up, keep it honest - I didn't consider this exclusive; I'm interested in keeping this going). If she's interested, she'll bite. Regardless, you've gotta detach yourself emotionally and not care if she bites or not. You haven't gone out with her long; there's plenty of other girls out there.

I'm not a pro player by any means so take my advice for what it is. I don't like games, so I don't generally play them. If games get started, I ignore them or walk away from them.

Post: #67

(01-08-2014 04:28 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  Fuck. I don't know why I didn't just lie

I dont know why you didn't just be honestly non-exclusive from the beginning.

Post: #68

I've been in this situation a few times, where you really need to try and stop yourself from texting a girl you're beefing with. The more experienced guys on here all have the same advice, which is to go silent and wait for her to come crawling back and if she doesn't, fuck her and move on.

I've learned a few things from being in situations like this, and I definitely agree with the advice of these guys, but the simple fact is that "going silent and not giving a shit" is pretty hard to do when you're not a rock solid player, and not all of us on this forum are super experienced alpha motherfuckers that go through bishes like cigarettes. I feel you when you say you really want to text her and say something, worrying like fuck about whether you're going to lose her. I've been there too many times.

One thing that really helped me was when I realized, no matter how crazy you're going resisting the urge to contact her, she's probably going 10x more crazy waiting for your message. All the times you stare at your phone wondering whether to message her, she's staring at her phone too screaming or crying, "Why the fuck isn't he texting me!!"

I'm really fuckin stubborn, so when I thought about it like that it made it real easy for me. It's a standoff, and in situations like that I really hate losing. When I pictured the cocky satisfaction on her face from "winning because I texted her first", it was really easy for me to say "wow, fuck that" and forget about texting her altogether.

It looks like you already broke and texted her, that's cool. Nothing to be ashamed of. We've all done it whether we admit it or not. Now my best advice is just be really fuckin unapologetic about it all. For all you know she was also getting her fair share of cock on the side while you two were 'dating'. You're probably thinking, "Nah, I know for sure, she wasn't", but I've been banged my fair share of girls that had boyfriends. A couple of them were really devout Christian girls who were in LTRs, one of them 5+ years, who I'm sure their boyfriends would've never guessed were banging guys on the side. That was a real revelation to me that every girl has at least a tiny bit of slut in them.

Post: #69

Girls who are worth a serious relationship are hard to come by. I meet new girls all the time but meeting a girl who is worth a serious relationship is something that hardly ever happens to me. Maybe once every 5 years.

This being said, i agree with the other guys about going silent for few days, after a week, if I were you, I would just call her and act like nothing happened...talk about shit that you guys usually talk about and tell her to come around..don't beg her for anything..just tell her to come around, if she truly liked you, I am sure she will come back. I got caught cheating many times by different girls and they always forgave me. Nothing wrong about you calling first..just dont apologize about it, don't talk about it and if she wants to talk about it, you change the subject. Remember that you have the option to next her.

Ohhh..and the condoms thing is completely normal. I had few girls counting on my condoms before..

Post: #70

(01-10-2014 06:08 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  Here's the point where you can berate me yet again... I didn't wait for the recommended week, mostly because unlike roissy's post, she didn't break up with me thinking that I'm beta. Today I texted her saying that I am so relieved after the interview. No response.

Then I texted her a few hours later saying to tell me what the hell to do with the turkey she left in my fridge, that we were prepping when all of this happened. An hour later she texted "cook it in a pan". I texted back "ok".

Sigh.... You know, it's a lot easier to learn life lessons by listening to advice from other people, but it seems most people have to learn the hard way, and that goes double in the arena of red pill wisdom and game. It's difficult to overcome many years of social conditioning and one's own mindset and habits of behavior. So you have to be smacked in the face a few times before you get it.

I bet most guys who read this thread were like me; they figured you were going to go against all the good advice you asked for and received from multiple guys telling you the correct way to handle this. We could see it coming a mile away from the way you were talking and how you jumped on the bad advice of one poster who told you of course you should text her and even gave you a cringeworthy text line.

Less than two days and then double texted her. What to do with the turkey? A man doesn't fret about uneaten food-honestly, that sounds like a text an angry housewife would send to her husband who didn't show for dinner. She slapped you down pretty good with her response too, didn't she? If you had cooked the turkey and eaten it after gym workouts and then texted her two weeks later thanking her for leaving you the turkey and helping you build the perfect body, that would have been funny.

Couple of good lessons in this thread-how to handle girls accusing you of cheating, and how to respond to a girl who storms out on you. If you're willing to learn them.

Post: #71

I'd agree in most cases condom-counting is a fairly benign issue, especially the behavior as clarified by augen sehen.

My point was if you're fighting with your girlfriend about condom counts then you shouldn't be thinking about marriage. Whether its your fault or hers is kind of beside the point.

Post: #72

I recently had a similar situation: /thread-29562.html

Summary: I threw game 101 out the window. I told a chick I was banging that I had seen other girls. She blew up and left. I chased her with texts like an amateur. Only when I smartened the fuck up and ignored her, making her feel my presence leave her life, did she come back into the rotation.

lots of good knowledge dropped in that thread. McQueen, TheDude, and Mech dropped some gems. Check it out.

edit - I should point out I'm in danger of this happening again. Got a string of crazy snaps from a regular saying we are fighting and accusing me of being a whore. This was completely out of the blue. I love how you can see when someone viewed the snaps, because when I viewed them all and never responded, it was obvious I was ignoring her and not buying into the drama bullshit.

This time around I'm cool, calm, and collected about it. I'm sure it will turn out fine. Never turn your back on game 101.

Post: #73

(01-09-2014 08:47 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  I was so wrapped up in the general idea of your post, I glossed over a specific someone else mentioned: "We were in my room, and she saw my condom box (big mistake since we aren't using condoms anymore) and checked inside, and saw that there weren't the same amount as when she last looked."

This is not normal behavior. This is control freak behavior. I'm changing my recommendation above to "wait for her to call." Believe me, you don't want to get someone like this pregnant or get serious and become too involved. I've seen what these types "evolve" into. There is a reason the unbearable, dominating wife on "Everybody Loves Raymond" was so popular. Too many women are like this and while their looks make up for it until about age 23, it becomes a horror story after that.

For what it's worth, I once had a girl like this. She used to go through the computers of guys she dated searching for porn. She also once caused a fight because (get this) she claimed I got an erection from seeing Sharon Stone in a movie while she was sitting beside me. She felt that and the porn were a form of cheating. (Not making this up.)

Eventually, she got so pissed at me she vowed never to speak to me and banned me from calling. She finally called. Five years and one month later. From a psych ward of a hospital, where she'd been admitted.

And so the moral of this story, I guess, is that these types do come back.

wait are you serious? DAMN

Post: #74

(01-10-2014 10:27 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 06:08 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  Here's the point where you can berate me yet again... I didn't wait for the recommended week, mostly because unlike roissy's post, she didn't break up with me thinking that I'm beta. Today I texted her saying that I am so relieved after the interview. No response.

Then I texted her a few hours later saying to tell me what the hell to do with the turkey she left in my fridge, that we were prepping when all of this happened. An hour later she texted "cook it in a pan". I texted back "ok".

Sigh.... You know, it's a lot easier to learn life lessons by listening to advice from other people, but it seems most people have to learn the hard way, and that goes double in the arena of red pill wisdom and game. It's difficult to overcome many years of social conditioning and one's own mindset and habits of behavior. So you have to be smacked in the face a few times before you get it.

I bet most guys who read this thread were like me; they figured you were going to go against all the good advice you asked for and received from multiple guys telling you the correct way to handle this. We could see it coming a mile away from the way you were talking and how you jumped on the bad advice of one poster who told you of course you should text her and even gave you a cringeworthy text line.

Less than two days and then double texted her. What to do with the turkey? A man doesn't fret about uneaten food-honestly, that sounds like a text an angry housewife would send to her husband who didn't show for dinner. She slapped you down pretty good with her response too, didn't she? If you had cooked the turkey and eaten it after gym workouts and then texted her two weeks later thanking her for leaving you the turkey and helping you build the perfect body, that would have been funny.

Couple of good lessons in this thread-how to handle girls accusing you of cheating, and how to respond to a girl who storms out on you. If you're willing to learn them.

we all slip

an important lesson im learning in game is sometimes you have to go against what you really want to do to get what you want.
a lot of times i'll really want to say something i do as antitrace and say, fuck it and text in these situations anyway despite knowing the optimal decision. patience and self control are important here. for example wanting to text in this situation, im sure op knew what the optimal decision is, but he still texted her.

game is counter intuitive.

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(01-10-2014 11:07 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  game is counter intuitive.

Yep.

But it is only counter intuitive in girls we really desire. The girls that for some reason have that little special thing, whatever it is, that puts them above the herd.

Would I want to chase some chick I didn't care about? Nah, let her leave, saves me time.

Would I want to chase some chick I actually do care about? Of course, I care about her, I want her in my life.

You need to realize when its the latter. When it is that girl that care about and that girl that you want back. That is when you need to put your emotional mind on the side and fall back on logical game. When you want to text, but know you shouldn't.

You need the logic to realize that going against what your mind is telling to do is the correct course of action, and you need the discipline and self-control to listen to your logical mind and execute proper game.

edit- I called it. crazy snap chick is texting right now with some bullshit of calling it off. It's like clockwork.

edit part 2- called her out on the bullshit, dropped a few inside jokes, told her I didn't appreciate the drama. and shes back in. Game 101. learn from your mistakes and never repeat them.