Post: #1

I've been drinking more often than I should lately, and saving some money and not ending up broke when I graduate sounds like an added incentive to really cut down.

I also will probably spend some more on dates, so I may as well limit what I spend before getting girls, seeing as my end goal is getting laid, not drunk.

Anyway, the questions:

1) How often (both day+night) do you guys go out to get girls, and on average, how much money do you spend?

2) How much do you approach? As many as it takes to close, and along the way, get some numbers/makeouts?

3) For daygame, do you go out with sole purpose of day gaming or do you go about your business, and if you spot a girl, then you approach?
I've been doing the latter, and I am thinking of switching to the other way, and just hanging out in the city and approaching there. The city center here is pretty small (you can go through it within 15 minutes), but there's a bigger city (500k people) that's 40-ish minutes away. Another option is just hanging out at the local college.

Thanks.

Post: #2

(12-03-2013 03:35 AM)Frank Wrote:  I've been drinking more often than I should lately, and saving some money and not ending up broke when I graduate sounds like an added incentive to really cut down.

I also will probably spend some more on dates, so I may as well limit what I spend before getting girls, seeing as my end goal is getting laid, not drunk.

Anyway, the questions:

1) How often (both day+night) do you guys go out to get girls, and on average, how much money do you spend?

2) How much do you approach? As many as it takes to close, and along the way, get some numbers/makeouts?

3) For daygame, do you go out with sole purpose of day gaming or do you go about your business, and if you spot a girl, then you approach?
I've been doing the latter, and I am thinking of switching to the other way, and just hanging out in the city and approaching there. The city center here is pretty small (you can go through it within 15 minutes), but there's a bigger city (500k people) that's 40-ish minutes away. Another option is just hanging out at the local college.

Thanks.

I always compare potential bangs to the cost of a prostitute on backpage.com--which is about $150 per hour for an 8/10. If you are spending more than that for a girl you a being gamed.

Regarding price--I try to minimize the amount I spend on a girl initially. A good first date is drinks at a bar $30-40 with an invite to your place.

Don't get me wrong--you will always being paying for pussy. As a value investor I try to find undervalued assets,.

Post: #3

Life is pretty cheap here for someone with western paycheck.

I can have a 10$ date and get a bang. In my country I can go to the store, buy 4 liters of good beer for 5-6$ (cheap one is like 1$/1l), then go to bakery and buy shitload of food for 4$ and have a nice time with my girl in some park at summer, mid-late spring, and early-mid autumn.

For bar/club game, I go to the store and get myself a 2l bottle of beer for 2$. Get myself buzzed, then go to the club and spend maybe 20$ for drinks before I hook up with someone.

For cocktails party I warm up with 3$ worth of vodka (0.2l) before I go to party. Cocktails are usually around 7-10$ per liter.

Winter requires only closed space game, either bar or house party, which can get me results for 10-20$ per night. I did try to spend 50$+ few times but stopped feeling my legs at the 40$ mark.

Edit: I do moderate amount of approach because my douche game gets me results pretty quickly. Nice tan and physique, flashy clothes and alcohol induced extroverted personality can get you far in Bosnian clubs.

Post: #4

I usually only go out every other weekend. Typically my cost per notch, excluding fuel costs of going to the club or to her place, is less than $5.

Post: #5

1-2 drinks really doesn't cost that much. Daygame a girl, set up a meet for later, 1-2 beers, out the door, go for a stroll whatever, back to your/her place, achieve penetration. Always keep the party moving.

No girl is going to agree to meet up with you later for the potential for a free drink, she's going to do it because she likes you. Hell, driving/subway to the bar is gonna cost her more than 1 beer/house wine.

Post: #6

between 10-20 GBP per date or $17-$34

Post: #7

I'm a cheap bastard. If we eat I split the check, but it's usually coffee, drinks, or "going for a walk." Going for a walk is the cheapest date there is, and somehow we always wind up outside my house at the end.

For girls I'm dating, or really care about, I'm willing to put more in, but at that point I'm also getting more.

Post: #8

(12-03-2013 03:35 AM)Frank Wrote:  1) How often (both day+night) do you guys go out to get girls, and on average, how much money do you spend?

2) How much do you approach? As many as it takes to close, and along the way, get some numbers/makeouts?

3) For daygame, do you go out with sole purpose of day gaming or do you go about your business, and if you spot a girl, then you approach?

Thanks.

1. When i was just getting my feet wet, 6-7 nights. Money? Only on cover charges. Up until a few years ago, i'd only bought 1 chick a drink, and that's cause I bumped into her and spilt it all over her shirt.

It's true that liquid courage allows for more confidence and bluntness

But never getting fuzzy allows you to take advantage of chicks that are drinking.

There are plenty of threads about how to handle a chick objecting to you not drinking. I won't go into that.

2. I have a "lock it down" approach, and my goal was to know the dj, bouncer, bartender, waitress, and all of the regulars. Creates a pseudo-social circle.

From there, once i was in, i'd talk to everyone and anyone. Bus Boy, off duty cop, bridal party, give the Nod to the OG's in the back....Life of the party style game, and then parlay that into dancing with any chick. Fat, old, ugly, doesn't matter. (i've only had one wildebeest looking chick glom on to me)

"State" is all mental. Rather than drink and get sloppy, you get hype and get sharp. By the time you're in a good talkative mood, talking to chicks you want to sleep with is easy. Throw in the fact that's been getting fed cosmo's and PBR's all night, you can hit on her when she's not on *her*game. You can go direct/indirect and change on the fly.

As for a straight #'s game, if I dance with 5+ chicks, good chance that i'm in a good mood, they're in a good mood, and any sideline broad that sees me and her having fun, is also open to the holler. Especially, if you know how to dance, and you're not grinding shit out like it's Jersey Shore.

On most given nights I'll find something to get into, if not, I'll get a solid # after 10-15 minutes of conversation.

I know that doesn't give you much numerically to shoot for, but if the venue has 200 chicks in it, you're gonna be hard pressed to talk to all of the top 20 chicks in the space of 2.5 hours.

Going out enough, dancing and interacting with enough chicks, you'll see which fish are biting. It's real subtle stuff, but you really gotta understand how club game/loud venue game works.

It's visual, auditory, kinesthetic on the body language/subconscious level, then you've got actually talk and hit her with the content. Meanwhile, you're maneuvering her from place to place, feeling her out, checking her tells, getting her logistics, handling her hating ass girlfriend, and seeding the conversation with a bounce location.

Most guys use a sniper approach, young guys in the game or typical blue pill dudes. Waiting on the sidelines for the perfect moment, or when the liquor allows them to speak.

I"ve never found that to work for me. If I chillax, I stay cold. Especially if I'm drinking. Being tipsy is such a novel feeling for me at least, that my game falls flat. "I was so engulfed in the O.E." © 3 stacks

3) I've never gone out for day game with the explicit purpose of pulling chicks. There are very few everyday places that I want to go that are streaming with bitches. So day game for me is usually when I'm handling my bidness.

That being said, I will go to the good grocery store, i will go to the trendy mall, I will peruse other sections of the book store, I will hit up a concert or art event, pop up store/restaurant, or day time festival. But that's through genuine interest. Often times there are good looking women attending these things, but I've been to plenty of sausage fests as well.

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If game to you (and game is fucking noun) is a Friday and Saturday event, you're not going to get better.

You should really be running game from Sunday-Thursday, and leave Friday and Saturday for dates. The bar/club scene is way too much to handle when you're first starting out. Long lines, door fees, cover charges, hat check, drinks go up, loud music, lots of choads and white knights...and chances are you're not going to the high end spots to maximize, but the low-mid spots where every Tom Dick and Harry is trying to get into.

Guys that switch from night to day often benefit from being able to better deal with a chick when she's not in full defense mode. Same with moving from "prime time" to chicks who have no problem drinking a couple of vodka cranberries Tuesday @ 8pm.

WIA

Post: #9

Have to agree, interesting take from WIA on Sun-Thurs gaming. Makes sense too. I subscribe to the belief that after you've gamed for most of your life, that you can sense opportunities when they open up. There really is no "on" and "off" switch per se, but personally I just go about my daily bizness and a lot of times opening will present themselves naturally. Obviously, the "organic" approach is best. That way you are able to calibrate your game to the occasion and situation.

Just stay fly (presentable---clean shoes is a Must) when you go out during the day, because you never know when that post office trip might turn into a macking opportunity.

Money spent? I never was a huge clubber (more concerts), that said the only times I went out was with the sole purpose of macking. Anyways, you have to become real keen on the "drink hustlers" in the club. You shouldn't have to "pay"(buy a load of drinks) for attn. There are excellent threads in RVF about this subject, but if you must cop ONE, I would ONLY do so after a solid repoire has been established (as a natural extension of the conversation), otherwise what differentiates you from all the other thirsty clowns in there?

Just my two cents...

Post: #10

A girl bought me dinner last night.

Whole thing at a fancy restaurant.

I had no idea how to act after that.

Post: #11

expenses?!?!... I'm so fucking broke it's not even funny.. goes to show money doesn't matter to a degree..

give them and few drinks, some laughs and be "interesting". legs open

Post: #12

Gaming for me isn't all that expensive. I usually day game while out shopping, on my way to or from work, or going for a night out. If I go out with the intention of getting numbers, it's never works. I always see women looking at me so I approach all that do and it helps. Even if its just a brief look and she is not on a phone call, she will know who I am. Instant dates = 6 euros for me in Berlin. Women pay for their own drinks and food here so that is a life saver. I usually spend about 10- 20 euros on first dates. I always ask the chick if a she is a beer, wine or cocktail kind of lady. Beer chicks get dragged to a bar 400 meters from my house. Cocktail/wine ladies get met at a spot 300 meters from my place. Logistics, logistics. I spend no money on public transport to meet them so saving money there and I always have some Polish vodka at my place just to keep the party going or to get it started. Pre-partying will always keep money in your pocket.

I go out 3 nights a week usually. Another 3 nights are for dates or just alone time and the final night to Skype with my family back in California.

Post: #13

My CPN is $45. I've obsessively kept track of this. Unfortunately this does not include the two LTR's I've been in, where I'm certain it was much more, but I also don't include those in my total.

Post: #14

1. Nowadays, I go out 3x a week (used to be 6-7) BUT I pay $0 dollars with the exception of public transportation. I get food/drinks free everywhere I go.

2. What counts as an approach? Lets just say i tend to greet/acknowledge alot of people as I'm "passing through". I simply just go out having alot of fun which results in 2-3 chicks chasing on average. (If I actually was "focused" maybe 10-12 girls chasing)

3. I go about my business and if its under the right circumstances I'll approach. For the most part I don't even bother since I can go to the best venue in my city and see a ton of gorgeous women.

Post: #15

(12-03-2013 08:40 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 03:35 AM)Frank Wrote:  1) How often (both day+night) do you guys go out to get girls, and on average, how much money do you spend?

2) How much do you approach? As many as it takes to close, and along the way, get some numbers/makeouts?

3) For daygame, do you go out with sole purpose of day gaming or do you go about your business, and if you spot a girl, then you approach?

Thanks.

2. I have a "lock it down" approach, and my goal was to know the dj, bouncer, bartender, waitress, and all of the regulars. Creates a pseudo-social circle.

From there, once i was in, i'd talk to everyone and anyone. Bus Boy, off duty cop, bridal party, give the Nod to the OG's in the back....Life of the party style game, and then parlay that into dancing with any chick. Fat, old, ugly, doesn't matter. (i've only had one wildebeest looking chick glom on to me)

Yo Archie, can you break this practice down a bit if you don't mind?

Post: #16

(12-06-2013 12:57 AM)iWin Wrote:  2. I have a "lock it down" approach, and my goal was to know the dj, bouncer, bartender, waitress, and all of the regulars. Creates a pseudo-social circle.


Yo Archie, can you break this practice down a bit if you don't mind?

I'm going to assume that
- you've got your education right
- you've got your money right
- you're eating right and working out
- you're emotionally sorted out

This is old school game, but if you live in a city you have to develop your circuit. Most new dudes in the game, go to a handful of clubs during primetime.

What you need to do is go to clubs when they're off peak.

Just going to a Wednesday night party isn't enough though. You want to meet the people facilitating the experience.

Go early, 10ish is early here.
Introduce yourself.
Tip well.
Be nice/funny. Whatever you need to do.

owner, promoter, dj, bartender, bouncer, waitress, the Mexican dudes that do all of the cleaning and heavy lifting - everyone. If you can get some names and some insight into who they are, then you can chat with the bouncer about the next Hendricks fight, or talk to the waitress about her sociology class.

And then you make this a habit.

Before you know it, you can go to your off-night spot during primetime and get royal treatment.

So if you're with a girl, you get to cut the line.
If you're not with a girl, other girls see you cut the line.
People notice that you're "in" with the staff.

They aren't in with the staff, and they come every damn week.

But by going to spots on off nights on a regular basis, you'll start to see the scene come alive.

Secret Society, yadda, yadda yadda, but most night life is run by a handful of guys. Usually some Lebanese/Persian owners in the background, depending on the club, some good looking dudes to promote, nowadays it's chick bartenders, waitresses, and dj's, but it can be quite mixed.

And then there are the regulars. They make up the "scene". They go out every night looking for fun. Some chicks, some dudes, but knowing that crowd then gives you more social proof on any given night. Believe me, someone will be out. Especially if you like a particular kind of music.

These are not the VIP table people. I'm not talking whales, but party people. Get hip to them, and you'll probably find out about the after-party scene. I have no problem copping to my squareness, i'm not trying to be at a spot with a bowl of coke. But if you've ever wondered how 3 somes spontaneously happen, Molly and electronica and afterparty is a good pre-cursor.

This is just one angle that's worked for me.

The general principles of meeting and befriending everyone one that you come across is useful outside of club game.

And it's especially easy when you're not looking for something.

WIA

Post: #17

This is quality, detailed, actionable shit right here. +1

(12-06-2013 03:12 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 12:57 AM)iWin Wrote:  2. I have a "lock it down" approach, and my goal was to know the dj, bouncer, bartender, waitress, and all of the regulars. Creates a pseudo-social circle.


Yo Archie, can you break this practice down a bit if you don't mind?

I'm going to assume that
- you've got your education right
- you've got your money right
- you're eating right and working out
- you're emotionally sorted out

This is old school game, but if you live in a city you have to develop your circuit. Most new dudes in the game, go to a handful of clubs during primetime.

What you need to do is go to clubs when they're off peak.

Just going to a Wednesday night party isn't enough though. You want to meet the people facilitating the experience.

Go early, 10ish is early here.
Introduce yourself.
Tip well.
Be nice/funny. Whatever you need to do.

owner, promoter, dj, bartender, bouncer, waitress, the Mexican dudes that do all of the cleaning and heavy lifting - everyone. If you can get some names and some insight into who they are, then you can chat with the bouncer about the next Hendricks fight, or talk to the waitress about her sociology class.

And then you make this a habit.

Before you know it, you can go to your off-night spot during primetime and get royal treatment.

So if you're with a girl, you get to cut the line.
If you're not with a girl, other girls see you cut the line.
People notice that you're "in" with the staff.

They aren't in with the staff, and they come every damn week.

But by going to spots on off nights on a regular basis, you'll start to see the scene come alive.

Secret Society, yadda, yadda yadda, but most night life is run by a handful of guys. Usually some Lebanese/Persian owners in the background, depending on the club, some good looking dudes to promote, nowadays it's chick bartenders, waitresses, and dj's, but it can be quite mixed.

And then there are the regulars. They make up the "scene". They go out every night looking for fun. Some chicks, some dudes, but knowing that crowd then gives you more social proof on any given night. Believe me, someone will be out. Especially if you like a particular kind of music.

These are not the VIP table people. I'm not talking whales, but party people. Get hip to them, and you'll probably find out about the after-party scene. I have no problem copping to my squareness, i'm not trying to be at a spot with a bowl of coke. But if you've ever wondered how 3 somes spontaneously happen, Molly and electronica and afterparty is a good pre-cursor.

This is just one angle that's worked for me.

The general principles of meeting and befriending everyone one that you come across is useful outside of club game.

And it's especially easy when you're not looking for something.

WIA

Post: #18

- Drinking before going out helps to cut costs in the club.
- Befriending hosts helps to cut entry costs

I mentally accept spending money on going out by not spending money on other personal entertainment such as movie theaters and (expensive) restaurants.

Post: #19

I'm a cheap-ass on most first dates. I don't like investing my hard earned cash in a woman who I barely know.

Can't stress the walk part enough. Even in cold parts of Canada, a walk is easy and cheap, a great way to get the girl comfortable with you.

When you move to a new city, or even if you're a long time resident; take a walk through your city. Become a tourist in your own city if you need be. An easy way to find out what areas are great for building a connection with a woman are; try and look places from a photographer's eyes. What would you take a picture of if you were a tourist or a photographer?

Find nice areas with good views, maybe a vista, a park bench (not too deep in the woods though), a spot overlooking a lake somewhere. Free outdoor festivals and open markets are also good, lots of cool and interesting stuff to see. Most women love window shopping. Most women love window shopping of weird artsy crafty things.

Take her to a farmer's market in the morning as a first date. Lots of times I don't even try to bang on the first date. Get to know her and you play the "let me find out about you" game. I find it sets up a clinical second date with easy results.

If I'm going out though, I'm usually spending money on booze.

Post: #20

Running solo is very different than day 2's.

WIA

Post: #21

(12-06-2013 03:12 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Usually some Lebanese/Persian owners in the background
WIA

So true and its not like its a NYC thing i notice this all over in London, Sydney,Cartagena, Rio,Buenos Aries, Montreal. I was joking with my friends a few years back that there must be some Lebanese/Persian nightlife cartel.

Whenever i meet a meet a Lebanese/Persian i always as what clubs you own. They will typically say my cousin is a partner at such and such or my brother and I used to run ...

WIA any insight as to why that is ? Its like a cultural trade any Lebanese/Persian with insight.