Post: #51

I knew a lifer. He told me something like at one point when China was taking off, they hired every Chinese-proficient English teacher with a US or UK passport and made them all stockbrokers.

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Post: #52

I'm doing privates only in Korea and pay is between $35-50 an hour here. Cost of living is slightly higher though.

What are the chances of moving to China, say, Hong Kong, or Macao, on a tourist visa an picking up enough clients in a short period of time? Is it worth hiring someone to help acquire clients? I know I couldn't get clients in Korea if I had to try and find them myself.

Post: #53

I wanted to address something here, since it's come up off-forum a couple times now with members.

There's a perception both inside and outside of China that to do business in China requires a magic bullet called "connections" and "relationships." It's incredibly common to try to add a mystical quality to what this entails by using the Chinese word for relationships (guanxi) when talking about it.

It isn't true that who you know doesn't matter in China. Like anywhere, it can certainly come in handy, depending on what you are trying to do. However, it's importance, relative to literally everything else is significantly overstated.

Anywhere in the world, people are ruled by desires. Since money will buy most things people want, there tends to be those with money (who form a special in-group that has no interest in sharing their success) and an outside group (pretty much everyone in the world) who simply subsists, whether that be at a middle-class level, a low class level or a survival level.

It's not uncommon for people to think that when coming to China, "having guanxi" is the important thing to focus on. This is untrue.

It's not even true that speaking Chinese is important. Speaking Chinese is handy and will significantly better your standard of living. It will usually go hand-in-hand with developing a real knowledge of the country. But hardly mandatory. You can hire good people to speak Chinese for you.

The real factors that matter is having MONEY and/or A ROCK SOLID BUSINESS PLAN/COMPETITIVE IDEA.

If you come to China thinking that you need to build connections and relationships for the future, you are mistaken. Until you have a business plan, you don't know what connections and relationships you will need, if any.

It's good practice to learn how to meet people, but that game really doesn't begin until you have a plan. It's then that you can start to evaluate who you need to know and how to motivate them to give you what you want.

Having relationships in China is not going to help you even a little (even its the right relationships with the right people) if you can't promise them something they can't get easier another way.

I've been approached by several people (who claimed to have money) who wanted to go into business with me and start a school. In this situation, it's easy to think "great, I have a business partner now."

Do you really think that my new "partner" is thinking this? Forget it.

Giving me a 50% share in the business for it's entire future is the last thing he plans to do. He is only talking to me because I have something he wants (a white face and high level teaching skills to promote HIS new school with). I'm not talking to him because of my "networking skills," because he thinks I've got great ideas or because he views me as his equal. I'm just a pawn.

The moment I can be replaced for great financial gains on his side, I will be, possibly before I earn a single yuan.



You need to start with a business plan that can't easy be copied by someone who is willing to work for less money.

Then you need to have the cash to put your plan into motion.

If you have a business plan, but no cash, you're dependent on people with cash and they hold all the cards then,

If you have no business plan, but cash, people will come to you, but only as long as you still have money for them to put in their pockets. Why would they come through on their promises, once you have nothing left to offer?

If you have a business plan that other people simply can't replicate (due to special skills or knowledge possessed only by you and people who are too busy to use steal your ideas) and you have cash, suddenly you hold all the cards.

You won't get much traction in China if your plan doesn't offer enrichment to other people.

A lot of the complaints about needing guanxi are because of roadblocks that occur because officials and others aren't motivated to make things easy, because there is nothing in it for them.

Other complaints are from people who haven't proven that they are serious yet. I've read numerous autobiographies from successful investors who just showed up with money and were only getting vague answers from government officials until they made one small investment and then suddenly all the doors opened.

If you have money and a desirable business plan, you WILL BECOME THE CONNECTION that others want guanxi with.

You won't need to spend several years learning about China and "networking" because they'll be a line around the block of people far more desperate than you, because they all want a piece of the action and they can't get it with out you.

The only difference between China and civilized countries like Canada and the USA is the ease of entry into the market place. China is highly regulated and this gives the powerful (READ: people with money) extra tools to keep the poor people outside their power structure of opportunity.

But if you have value to offer (besides a white face), that power structure will be yours.

Do you want to produce products in China and ship them abroad? Easy. You don't need guanxi, factories will happily welcome complete strangers and make sure that your products have no trouble leaving the country. In fact, if you trust them, they'll literally ship them for you themselves.

Want to import products to China and sell them in stores? Assuming that your products are highly desirable in China and you're the only access point, the retail store ownership will make sure you have smooth sailing with the importation, because the sooner the products are on shelves, the sooner they make money. Empty shelves will cost them money and they aren't going to let that happen.

Want to import a product, sell it in your own stores and then take whatever profit for yourself and leave the country with it? Heh. Just watch the roadblocks go up and leave China in disgrace two years later, bitching about how "guanxi is really important in China."

The concept of "guanxi" is highly overstated because of the number of underachievers who have come to China with big dreams, but lack anything of value to offer.

I've had to listen to countless people talk about guanxi, but I've never met a single person who has offered a concrete example of how guanxi actually helped anyone succeed. There are certainly examples out there, but even those would come down to someone having bribed their way to the top of a bidding wore for a lucrative monopoly on doing a certain type of business.

Success in China will come because you are in an unbeatable position to negotiate, not because you met the right people and they helped you out simply out of the goodness of their hearts when you needed it.



Examples:

After teaching in China for three years, you get tired of stupid English language curriculum and low quality schools.

(-A-) You try to start your own school, but the legal regulations require you to rent a very large retail space first and you can't afford this. You go home and find work at a Dairy Queen.

(-B-) You create a curriculum from scratch and find a Chinese partner who operates six private language schools and share your curriculum with him for a share in the business and a small salary. Your curriculum is soon copied and stolen by every school in the neighbour and your business limps by. You get your small salary (because your partner doesn't even try to push you out of the business, because you're still the best white face he has), but the business fails to generate a profit and you have to teach classes yourself, just to pay the rent.

(-C-) You create a curriculum from scratch and offer online access for a fee. It takes two years, during which you make good money, but eventually all your clients steal your IP and stop paying you. You sue them and earn a small settlement worth a year's income, but slightly modified versions of your curriculum is created and no one want to pay for use of yours. You go home and get a job at a Dairy Queen, where you speak excellent Chinese to your customers during tourist season. You earn the same hourly wage as the non-Chinese speaking employees.

(-D-) You create a curriculum from scratch and give it away for free on a website. You use the website to attract students who are looking to study the free curriculum in a school somewhere, because you can only learn so much just from the website without actual classroom practice to go with it. You sell the contact information to schools throughout China for a cut of their profits on teaching the students with your curriculum. You also require them to accept licensing from you and only license high quality schools that deliver quality.

People learn to trust your website, because you only refer students to reliable schools with proven results and the schools, which always want more students, are motivated to keep paying your fees, because if they rip you off, they'll be back to finding students all on their own. In the end, they will make more money now and in the future with you than without you.

Some asshole gets pissed after you unlicensed his school because he lies to parents. He complains to someone he has guanxi with about you operating your website without a legal business presence in China. He tries to get you blocked by the Great Fire Wall of China, but your happy clients who appreciate getting new student from you every month bribe the government official to ensure that your website is never blocked.





What story do you want to tell some day?

Post: #54

On the point that only rich chinese can leave China - That is the case recently but there are whole generations of Chinese since Nixon who have poured in here before those restrictions came into play I believe. Second of all you still have the illegal export schemes where they don't get in trouble on the USA side but they will need to be snuck back into China in order to go under the radar and not get thrown into jail and have all their assets seized by PRC govt.

I am not 100% on the details but in asking a couple of old Fujianese here is how it generally happens one of two ways:

1) There are entire operations based on this model where Chinese take a boat to Singapore to a relative's house under the radar. Mr. Mao sets up shop there to pay the bribe fee to one of the local S.E. asian governments to get a temp work visa. As far as China is concerned Mr. Mao never left the country he just "disappeared" into the mountains or something. They don't keep tabs on every citizen so as long as he is not making money and dodging taxes domestically they are not looking for him. Mr. Mao works some contacts out and he gets a Singapore stamp. As far as I understand the U.S. has relaxed restrictions on Chinese citizens and they will just look at the Singapore exit stamp, say OK for tourist visa.

Coming back home is the hard part. They cannot fly direct obviously. A lot of times they do the same thing, go to Canada or Mexico then go back to S.E. Asia and take an illegal boat to get back in.

2) Increasingly now many Chinese are setting up a satellite operation (human trafficking) in Mexico due to favorable immigration/trade agreements and Central America as well occasionally. They say they are emigrating to Mexico but the reality is they are entering the U.S. from Mexico. The average ICE agent I imagine is heavily scrutinizing Latinos at the land border and not Chinese. Again even if their passport looks weird (no exit stamp from PRC) I imagine that the U.S. won't care as long as they have an exit stamp from another country.

3) Or they borrow a lot of money from loan sharks in China to meet the legal obligation, sell their beautiful daughter to them as collateral and make payments from abroad to the loan sharks satellite offices around the world.

If only "Rich" Chinese come here that is a surprise. I suppose standards of living there are still relatively low on average compared to the U.S. but a lot of Chinese I know are dead broke. Many times for Reason #3

I could have received completely wrong info about this but since it is illegal (and Vice TV hasn't gotten to the bottom of it yet) it's hard to know for sure

Post: #55

For anybody looking to go to China, whether for a quick trip, or to live and do business, check out this site: http://www.saporedicina.com/english/

Must be the most informative China-life site on the internet. Planning my move at the moment and whether it's getting visas or teaching English, this site's got detailed and up-to-date info.

Post: #56

This is a great overview. I'm currently in the process of moving to China, well once I find a job.

Hoping I can seek the counsel the seasoned vets (suits, global entry, VP and anyone else) here.

To give you a bit of background I travelled to China recently and really enjoyed it. Since I got back I had started studying the language (around 7 months now - only speaking I should add) mainly for work as in my industry there are a lot of Chinese consumers. I suppose also in the back of my mind I wanted to work in China as well.

I've decided now I'd like to move to China and see what I can make of it. Ideally I would like to teach English to start with, while networking and looking for opportunities to start my own business or some form of consulting/freelancing . Pretty much anything where I can have more control over my lifestyle. I suppose I could teach English and tutor outside of that, however I'm not sure that will be too lucrative in the long run?

My main point is I would like to go to a tier 2/3 city that doesn't have too many foreigners, but is also close to one of the tier 1 cities. Based on this so far my research has pointed to Hangzhou as being my preferred option. However I am open to most cities.

With regards to finding a job, I've had a few offers for teaching jobs in all kinds of cities. Although most of haven't seen my picture yet.. I'm a 'hunxue'er' (half black half white so light skin ) so I'm not sure how that will go down with the employers. My plan is to find a teaching job that will pay around 12-15000 RMB + accommodation with <30 hours teaching.

I suppose I'm wondering if I can get some feedback on suitable cities, jobs, networking and opportunities for someone that isn't white. In an ideal world I will be self employed consulting to Chinese businesses in some capacity. My country has a ton of trade with China, particular industry I am in now so I'm hoping I can leverage that.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Post: #57

(06-06-2016 06:44 AM)Suban Shelvey Wrote:  This is a great overview. I'm currently in the process of moving to China, well once I find a job.

Hoping I can seek the counsel the seasoned vets (suits, global entry, VP and anyone else) here.

To give you a bit of background I travelled to China recently and really enjoyed it. Since I got back I had started studying the language (around 7 months now - only speaking I should add) mainly for work as in my industry there are a lot of Chinese consumers. I suppose also in the back of my mind I wanted to work in China as well.

I've decided now I'd like to move to China and see what I can make of it. Ideally I would like to teach English to start with, while networking and looking for opportunities to start my own business or some form of consulting/freelancing . Pretty much anything where I can have more control over my lifestyle. I suppose I could teach English and tutor outside of that, however I'm not sure that will be too lucrative in the long run?

My main point is I would like to go to a tier 2/3 city that doesn't have too many foreigners, but is also close to one of the tier 1 cities. Based on this so far my research has pointed to Hangzhou as being my preferred option. However I am open to most cities.

With regards to finding a job, I've had a few offers for teaching jobs in all kinds of cities. Although most of haven't seen my picture yet.. I'm a 'hunxue'er' (half black half white so light skin ) so I'm not sure how that will go down with the employers. My plan is to find a teaching job that will pay around 12-15000 RMB + accommodation with <30 hours teaching.

I suppose I'm wondering if I can get some feedback on suitable cities, jobs, networking and opportunities for someone that isn't white. In an ideal world I will be self employed consulting to Chinese businesses in some capacity. My country has a ton of trade with China, particular industry I am in now so I'm hoping I can leverage that.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

You refer to "your country." If it's not on a very short list of acceptable countries to have a visa from for the purposes of teaching English, that'll be a bigger issue than not being white.

As far as not being white goes, talk to Fortis. He isn't white, but still landed a job.

However, if you are looking for 12-15K a month + accommodation, unless you are experienced, that is going to be a tough sell, regardless of skin colour.

Have you considered coming for a semester just as a student and exploring work options on the side while living cheap in a student dorm and then go from there?

As far as city selection, the only places I can speak knowledgeably about are Beijing and Tianjin.

Post: #58

(05-22-2014 03:43 AM)2014 Wrote:  I'm doing privates only in Korea and pay is between $35-50 an hour here. Cost of living is slightly higher though.

What are the chances of moving to China, say, Hong Kong, or Macao, on a tourist visa an picking up enough clients in a short period of time? Is it worth hiring someone to help acquire clients? I know I couldn't get clients in Korea if I had to try and find them myself.

It's similarly hard to find privates in China. You'll have to use an agency (who will take the majority of your pay) or pay someone to find you and recruit clients. This can actually prove to be difficult, because Chinese are lazy as shit. No idea about HK.

I did find one private client once on WeChat. Some older woman. We had two sessions at 300 RMB per hour. She wanted to discontinue it after the second session; I guess she thought it was too expensive. These days you're in competition with Russians, Poles or other non-natives who are quietly invading China by the hundreds of thousands each year in search of ESL jobs, and who are willing to work for table scraps.

Post: #59

(06-06-2016 10:12 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:44 AM)Suban Shelvey Wrote:  This is a great overview. I'm currently in the process of moving to China, well once I find a job.

Hoping I can seek the counsel the seasoned vets (suits, global entry, VP and anyone else) here.

To give you a bit of background I travelled to China recently and really enjoyed it. Since I got back I had started studying the language (around 7 months now - only speaking I should add) mainly for work as in my industry there are a lot of Chinese consumers. I suppose also in the back of my mind I wanted to work in China as well.

I've decided now I'd like to move to China and see what I can make of it. Ideally I would like to teach English to start with, while networking and looking for opportunities to start my own business or some form of consulting/freelancing . Pretty much anything where I can have more control over my lifestyle. I suppose I could teach English and tutor outside of that, however I'm not sure that will be too lucrative in the long run?

My main point is I would like to go to a tier 2/3 city that doesn't have too many foreigners, but is also close to one of the tier 1 cities. Based on this so far my research has pointed to Hangzhou as being my preferred option. However I am open to most cities.

With regards to finding a job, I've had a few offers for teaching jobs in all kinds of cities. Although most of haven't seen my picture yet.. I'm a 'hunxue'er' (half black half white so light skin ) so I'm not sure how that will go down with the employers. My plan is to find a teaching job that will pay around 12-15000 RMB + accommodation with <30 hours teaching.

I suppose I'm wondering if I can get some feedback on suitable cities, jobs, networking and opportunities for someone that isn't white. In an ideal world I will be self employed consulting to Chinese businesses in some capacity. My country has a ton of trade with China, particular industry I am in now so I'm hoping I can leverage that.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

You refer to "your country." If it's not on a very short list of acceptable countries to have a visa from for the purposes of teaching English, that'll be a bigger issue than not being white.

As far as not being white goes, talk to Fortis. He isn't white, but still landed a job.

However, if you are looking for 12-15K a month + accommodation, unless you are experienced, that is going to be a tough sell, regardless of skin colour.

Have you considered coming for a semester just as a student and exploring work options on the side while living cheap in a student dorm and then go from there?

As far as city selection, the only places I can speak knowledgeably about are Beijing and Tianjin.

Thanks Suits.

Yeah my country is definitely one of the acceptable countries.

I have had a few possible opportunities in Beijing. I love Beijing and I would go there again as well but thought it might be better to try a city with less foreigners.

It seems you have carved out a bit of a niche which is good. Have you had a lot of opportunities outside of teaching presented to you?

Post: #60

Networking your way into jobs here:

JOIN. EVERY. FUCKING. WECHAT. GROUP. THAT. YOU. CAN.

If you aren't on wechat talking to people, then you are wasting your time. Scratch that, if you aren't talking to other foreigners and making friends, then you're fucking around.

Unless your Chinese is juicy as hell, you'll need another foreigner to help you get in with a company.

That's really all I did. I'm a massive troll but I trolled my way into a full-time position by hanging out in some unscrupulous rooms. I'm still in those rooms and regularly pass out resumes and stuff when guys talk about needing someone for some new job with company (X). Most Chinese companies don't give a fuck about you because they aren't really posting ads on sites like monster.com, for example.

You need to find a foreigner in a position to help you. That means manager and director level foreigners. That crummy looking expat in crocks and a Hawaiian shirt? He's actually an engineering manager for the apple factory. There are some secretly loaded foreigners out here who can hook you up if they like you.

That gross sexpat? Director of marketing for a small Chinese company raking in 50,000,000.

Talk to every foreigner you meet and see what they do. Don't be that weirdo asking about people's jobs and trying to brown nose with every dude who looks like he has cash, but find out, befriend people and let them know you're looking.

One way to do this is to hit up nightlife venues, befriend the foreign and Chinese businessmen and try to weasel your way into their positions once they get promoted. That is what one of my friends did. I haven't tried this because I don't really enjoy going out all that much.


I asked a friend if he would screen an offer for me and he ended up saying, "Bro, don't work for them, just work for me. I'll pay you more and give you better training."

Sometimes it is that easy, but you have to position yourself properly.

Post: #61

Addendum:

Remember, you can make good cash teaching. So don't count it out just because of some silly chinese stigma. Some teachers here make a shit load of money. Like, real money.

I regularly see offers for teaching positions with salaries of 20,000RMB and above, but I'm really just not cut out for teaching. The problem that a lot of expats run into with teaching is that they get complacent and stop training themselves and investing in becoming better at teaching.

If you can teach kids, you can make a very sick living. I know of at least 1-2 expats in SZ who pull down $100,000 teaching kids. They obviously are businessmen first and teachers second, but teaching is a very good skillset if you are willing to work hard and act like a businessmen.

Post: #62

I'd agree. However, most guys aren't cut out to sing songs and play dancing foreign clown faggot all day for bratty, snot-nosed, fart-sniffing Chinese kids. I know I'm not. But if you can work through the shit and pain for a year or two, it's a good way to start out in China. Even then, you are not guaranteed to keep that job for that long. That training center or kindergarten might can your ass and hire Ivan or Igor from St. Petersberg because they're willing to work for 100-150 RMB an hour. These days employers are picky as shit, too. They want perfect teachers.

Post: #63

^ Like I said, I am not a teacher anymore because it doesn't work for me.

That said, You can easily own Igor if you're good at what you do.

The best thing you can do as an adult teacher is to get the students to like you. I worked with adults so I can't give kid-school advice.

I was a shitty teacher, but the students liked me. I could talk sports, I dressed well (shirt and tie every day), I was cool with the Chinese staff and I also would hang with the students outside of class, so I was very popular as soon as I started. I am pretty good at creating connections quickly, so I was never in danger of getting canned.

The white boy who comes in drunk and slovenly will get canned before the black guy who dresses nice, has real teaching experience, charms the pants off of the students and staff and does a decent job in the class.

Contrast that with potatohead Igor who comes in hungover and poorly dressed and I win. But I live in a tier-1 city where the Chinese people can tell the difference between a Russia and an American (many of my students were wealthy chinese people who have traveled abroad).

I am also not easy to mix up with an African (Hispanic and black), so I am a bit of a special case.

That said, if you want a consistent job, you'll have to target foreign-owned learning centers. Foreigners will hire you for your skills and not just solely on how much money they can make by cheating Chinese people. The sucky part is that Foreign-owned centers don't pay as much.

Post: #64

Yeah, I realized my mistake in trying to teach kids from the getgo. It's a shame they're more ubiquitous around China than teen and adult teaching jobs, and unfortunately usually pay the most.

It's commendable that you were able to break away from your teaching job though. What line of work are you in now if you don't mind me asking?

Post: #65

Nah, honestly, it was mostly luck, but if I were to retrace my steps they'd be what I outlined above.

I work in digital marketing/copywriting.

It's fun and I get to do a job I'd have to fight a lot harder to get back home.

I'll drop some additional data later if you're all interested.

Post: #66

Fortis' data is on point here. I'm a business builder with no interest in working for others. Fortis represents success on the other end of the spectrum, coming to China to network into opportunities that would be a lot harder to come by back home.

It's absolutely true that you can earn $100K USD per year teaching kids. However, it is also true that you will have to be a businessman first, teacher second. This also usually means doing group classes in students' homes (or in your own home) because private lessons rarely pay well enough by the hour to create a $100K income.

You can earn $50-100 USD per hour doing group classes if you are very good at what you do and people like you. If you are not and people don't particularly like you, you'll probably fail completely at this.

I pull about $60K right now with some gaps in my schedule. In fact, I work only a half day 4 days a week, with 2 full days and one day off. If I pushed harder, I could make it to $100K. However, I'm using the free time I have on my hands to build a cutting edge curriculum system that I'm gradually turning into my main business.

As for Igor "McVodka" Potatohead invade China and stealing your job, he doesn't stand a chance if you are good at what you do. Only the absolute bottom end of the industry will hire him. I face no competition from him at the level I play.

(06-07-2016 02:37 AM)Mr. Scumbag Wrote:  I'd agree. However, most guys aren't cut out to sing songs and play dancing foreign clown faggot all day for bratty, snot-nosed, fart-sniffing Chinese kids.

A passionate statement that could only be written by someone who has worked in the industry.

(06-07-2016 02:26 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Networking your way into jobs here:

JOIN. EVERY. FUCKING. WECHAT. GROUP. THAT. YOU. CAN.

If you aren't on wechat talking to people, then you are wasting your time. Scratch that, if you aren't talking to other foreigners and making friends, then you're fucking around.

For the record, I refuse to use WeChat.

(06-07-2016 02:26 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Unless your Chinese is juicy as hell, you'll need another foreigner to help you get in with a company.

My Chinese is pathetic.

(06-07-2016 02:26 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I'm a massive troll...

Agreed, you are huge troll and you live under a bridge.

Post: #67

You'd be further ahead with wechat since I could invite you to every teaching group in China.

Post: #68

(06-06-2016 06:44 AM)Suban Shelvey Wrote:  Since I got back I had started studying the language (around 7 months now - only speaking I should add)

How is your progress so far, and what kind of study methods are you using? I'm in a similar situation, learning speaking since 9 months. My listening skills and vocab still suck too much to benefit or enjoy any native sources, so I need to rely on audio courses and podcasts. Currently going through http://www.chineselearnonline.com/ course and using chinesepod for background listening. Also watching some series from youtube but need english subtitles.

Post: #69

(06-07-2016 03:40 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Nah, honestly, it was mostly luck, but if I were to retrace my steps they'd be what I outlined above.

I work in digital marketing/copywriting.

It's fun and I get to do a job I'd have to fight a lot harder to get back home.

I'll drop some additional data later if you're all interested.

Thanks for your info thus far, definitely interested.

Post: #70

(06-07-2016 07:33 AM)Apoc Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:44 AM)Suban Shelvey Wrote:  Since I got back I had started studying the language (around 7 months now - only speaking I should add)

How is your progress so far, and what kind of study methods are you using? I'm in a similar situation, learning speaking since 9 months. My listening skills and vocab still suck too much to benefit or enjoy any native sources, so I need to rely on audio courses and podcasts. Currently going through http://www.chineselearnonline.com/ course and using chinesepod for background listening. Also watching some series from youtube but need english subtitles.

I think I'm at a decent level with basic information, however when I speak in person with a chinese person I can easily trip up if they use a different word to express something that I'm not used to. I feel like I've plateaued which is probably pretty natural as you use a lot of the same words. I need to focus on adding more vocab.

I started with yoyo chinese but have stopped, below is a rough guide of what I do;

- Have a two hour class every week
- Try to study at least one hour a night (listening to podcasts/watching tv shows/completing work in my textbook)
- Use the hellotalk app to chat with Chinese people
-Language exchange with Chinese visitors in person

Post: #71

Could possibly write a long post but I'll keep it short and to the point. The following info applies to Shanghai, and to people who simply want to hit and run teaching (without caring about improvement for more professional teaching in the future). Although you can still apply the next point I'm about to make to non kindergarten gigs and teach at a higher level for higher pay (still part time though).

Pointless working 30-40 hours in a full time gig (even if they can arrange working permit) for like 10-15k RMB per month.

Much easier to just sort out your own visa (whether it's from an agent here or the chinese consulate in your home country) then work part time private tutoring or in kindergartens. You can earn at least 200RMB (can go up to around 300) minimum here per hour teaching kids.

Advantages? Flexibility. You work less, you can choose your own hours.

There's no experience required too, even if there is you just put that "real" experience on your CV and pretend. As long as you're friendly with the kids and follow the lesson plan it should be fine. This can depend the school though, as sometimes the employer can be real picky, or even make you create your own plans from scratch (still pretty easy).

Teach in kindergartens (in an actual kindergarten or even privates with the same age group) so you don't have to prepare to teach grammar & more constructive tasks etc. Kindergarten gigs allow you to simply walk in and out without time being spent out the class (unpaid). The higher level the English is, the more work it is for you to prepare and follow up (this can lead to higher pay but it depends on what your goal/target is with teaching).

Post: #72

^ I do agree, but I think that taking a real position can open up doors down the line.

I'm learning skills for free in a position I could never get back home without massive nepotism and dick sucking.

In a few months I'll be able to do this freelance and make way more money. I'll take a pay cut now to make more down the line.

Post: #73

I'm toying around with the idea of teaching students out of my apartment once I get some initial funding. Group glasses, kids or adults. I'd hire a Chinese female assistant (preferably one I'm banging, that way I can trust her) to help me recruit students.

I know that Chinese do this, and I've heard of at least one or two foreigners doing it.

What is the legality of doing this? Will the PSB and ex-farmer Chinese po-po's come a-knockin' on your door, looking for bribes or to haul you off? What if you have the business registered under a Chinese girlfriend or wife's name?

Post: #74

(06-07-2016 11:53 PM)Mr. Scumbag Wrote:  I'm toying around with the idea of teaching students out of my apartment once I get some initial funding. Group glasses, kids or adults. I'd hire a Chinese female assistant (preferably one I'm banging, that way I can trust her) to help me recruit students.

I know that Chinese do this, and I've heard of at least one or two foreigners doing it.

What is the legality of doing this? Will the PSB and ex-farmer Chinese po-po's come a-knockin' on your door, looking for bribes or to haul you off? What if you have the business registered under a Chinese girlfriend or wife's name?

Could easily get away with it, all depends on how discreet are. Registering a business under a local girls name seems like the worst idea ever.

Post: #75

(06-07-2016 11:53 PM)Mr. Scumbag Wrote:  I'm toying around with the idea of teaching students out of my apartment once I get some initial funding. Group glasses, kids or adults. I'd hire a Chinese female assistant (preferably one I'm banging, that way I can trust her) to help me recruit students.

I know that Chinese do this, and I've heard of at least one or two foreigners doing it.

What is the legality of doing this? Will the PSB and ex-farmer Chinese po-po's come a-knockin' on your door, looking for bribes or to haul you off? What if you have the business registered under a Chinese girlfriend or wife's name?

If you're doing that on a tourist visa, it's illegal. Don't get caught.

I would avoid using a chick I'm banging as my assistant. Things go south between you and her and you are officially unable to communicate well with parents.

Don't tangle pussy up in your money. Especially Chinese pussy.