Post: #1

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this trend, but I have a female Beta Orbiter, sort of.

I hooked up with this girl a few times before I'd taken an 8 month long trip; she gave me a bj in a tree fort (felt pretty cool). After I came back, we started texting back and forth again. Except she was really really non-feminine, but not "masculine" either (at least by our standards). She was saying all this shit about how she wanted to practice her blowjobs skills and she was still a virgin so she wanted to try out doggy style and have me squeeze her tits. Pretty much the kind of thing you'd expect a really thirsty beta to say to a girl. I was kind of shocked but I fucked her once in my van anyways and then didn't text her back for a few days.

When I did text back, I said "whats up" and she must have used the only feminine part of her (excluding her body) and replied with "sorry, no more booty calls" so I unfriended her on Facebook (I know I know) and messaged back saying I wouldn't put up with rudeness. I didn't talk to her for a couple months until I got another message from her inviting me to a party and when I didn't reply she goes on about how she was dealing with all this shit and she wants a fresh start. She's practically begging me to forgive her and start over. And this girl is pretty cute, a solid 7. Weird huh?

Now this isn't exactly the reversal of the Beta – Female interaction, but I'd say that she is really letting herself go in terms of self-respect. The weird thing is that I don't think she knows it, she really is just acting out of Betatude. Any thoughts on this?

Post: #2

There is no such thing as a "Beta" or "Alpha" Female; the paradigm is switched for them. A "Omega" female would be needy and submissive, aka ideal, while a "Alpha" female would be hard pressed to differentiate from a Man. From the looks of it she sounds like a girl whom knows her slutty side and isn't shy to hide, if anything it looks like she gamed you....

Post: #3

(11-28-2013 07:10 PM)kosko Wrote:  There is no such thing as a "Beta" or "Alpha" Female; the paradigm is switched for them. A "Omega" female would be needy and submissive, aka ideal, while a "Alpha" female would be hard pressed to differentiate from a Man.

... Wha?

Women have hierarchies of their own, an "alpha" female is more subtle and tactful than an alpha male but her relationship toward other women is still a dominant one.

Post: #4

I wouldn't call that a beta female. More like a roll reversal where the girl is submitting to you instead of the classic beta male orbiter.

I've had orbiters before. I prefer calling them "companions" a la Dr. Who.

They come and go. Not to the frequency of beta male orbiters on women however. You have to be a super alpha or rock star for perks like that.

Post: #5

(11-28-2013 07:25 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 07:10 PM)kosko Wrote:  There is no such thing as a "Beta" or "Alpha" Female; the paradigm is switched for them. A "Omega" female would be needy and submissive, aka ideal, while a "Alpha" female would be hard pressed to differentiate from a Man.

... Wha?

Women have hierarchies of their own, an "alpha" female is more subtle and tactful than an alpha male but her relationship toward other women is still a dominant one.

What does that mean?

Again there is no such thing as a Alpha female. There is a circle, not liner line of hierarchy between the sexes with the opposite ends attract each other.



A woman possessing "Alpha" dominate traits is not describable. The most "Alpha" women is still weaker then the most weak omega male, but a submissive and kind feminine women holds immense power over a omega male. Think about this for a second. Think of how silly the idea of a "alpha" female sounds. I always hear women talk about this and I laugh, there is no such thing as an Alpha female in the sense that we describe
Alpha males. The ideal and most "powerful" female will always be the feminine submissive one, and submissive and weak traits are more in tuned to the Omega then to the Alpha.

Its a play of energy between the sexes, the opposites pull and push off each other to advance movement. Strong men want weak women, and weak women want strong men. The most extremes off the non-ideal ends mirror the opposite sex, a butch female is closer to a man, while a omega male is closer to a woman.

Post: #6

(11-28-2013 08:02 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 07:25 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 07:10 PM)kosko Wrote:  There is no such thing as a "Beta" or "Alpha" Female; the paradigm is switched for them. A "Omega" female would be needy and submissive, aka ideal, while a "Alpha" female would be hard pressed to differentiate from a Man.

... Wha?

Women have hierarchies of their own, an "alpha" female is more subtle and tactful than an alpha male but her relationship toward other women is still a dominant one.

What does that mean?

Again there is no such thing as a Alpha female. There is a circle, not liner line of hierarchy between the sexes with the opposite ends attract each other.



A woman possessing "Alpha" dominate traits is not describable. The most "Alpha" women is still weaker then the most weak omega male, but a submissive and kind feminine women holds immense power over a omega male. Think about this for a second. Think of how silly the idea of a "alpha" female sounds. I always hear women talk about this and I laugh, there is no such thing as an Alpha female in the sense that we describe
Alpha males. The ideal and most "powerful" female will always be the feminine submissive one, and submissive and weak traits are more in tuned to the Omega then to the Alpha.

Its a play of energy between the sexes, the opposites pull and push off each other to advance movement. Strong men want weak women, and weak women want strong men. The most extremes off the non-ideal ends mirror the opposite sex, a butch female is closer to a man, while a omega male is closer to a woman.

Yeah man I get everything you're saying, but this girl is acting differently. She's not using her sluttiness to get anything from me, she really is just going after casual sex and she's asking me to forgive her for being rude so that we can have more casual sex. She isn't trying to lock me down like a self-respectable girl would, she's really just acting thirsty. Isn't that beta? It's really weird I don't think women should be acting like this.

Also, I think there is definitely a hierarchy of females. Certain girls in the group tend to be more extraverted and direct the frame of whatever the hell girls listen to. But, these girls are only "alpha females" or (whatever you'd like to call them) because of their superior attractiveness. No, they don't portray the qualities of an "alpha male" they are just the hotter girls.

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Post: #8

Oh Jesus.

An Alpha woman is a pretty woman, a Beta woman is a plain jane, and an Omega woman is a monstrosity/whale. Nothing more. There is no complex mix of attributes that can make or break her rank like with men, just her beauty.

That's why we don't use that terminology for women - the terms "pretty", "plain jane" (or "average") and "monstrous/whale" already exist and are well recognized everywhere.

In this case, however, it would be appropriate to say that this woman has behaved like a stereotypical Beta male for a while. However, it wouldn't make her a "Beta female", just slutty. She offered her pussy without any prior knowledge of you or signs of commitment, just like a Beta guy might offer his love, support and money to a woman just because she looks pretty. Who knows what went through her head when she offered herself as a fuck buddy? Surely you would have not called her an "Alpha female" if she had been more aggressive and kept fucking you.

Post: #9

I think that some women are the "alpha bitch", or "mother hen" in some circles. They sort of police other girls - at least girls who defer to them for leadership. I have met two or three alpha bitches before, one of them ran the women's rugby team (pretty competently too). Alpha bitches inexplicably have social power with other women.

I consider women who are beta as those who respond to typical rituals of courtship or are exceptionally naive. One time my friend bought a drink for a girl as an opener, and she was "so beta" that she accepted it and still considered the seduction "on".

OP I think you're a little weird to turn down free sex from a virgin. Yeah her words might turn you off big time but to be 100% honest with you I barely remember any of the verbal interactions I have with any girl. Not listening is critical here.

Post: #10

That's not how Alpha/Beta/Gamma works with women.

What is an Alpha male? A man with high status.
What is an Alpha female? A woman with high status.

What is a measure of status for female?

1. Her beauty and her body
2. Her sexual past (if you plan to marry her or have her as longterm girlfriend, if not then partly ignore this)
3. Her feminine personality (how she treats her man and how much she respects him, how she treats other people)

That's it. Your girl has looks (she is 7 or more), her sexual past is "virgin" (confirm this please), but her personality is kinda neurotic. With 2/3 points, with the missing one trivial for an one night stand, she WAS between Beta and Alpha, but with her "dealing with all this shit and she wants a fresh start" part meaning she was pumped and dumped by various dudes and is now a Beta, or even lesser Beta.

Post: #11

I've met women before who are really insecure about their sexual skills. They qualify themselves to you by saying they're good at blowjobs or have a great butt. It's really just feeling low status compared to their sexual competition - which may or may not be true. Women have become so confused about their sexuality, they think inexperience and virginity is unattractive. Good god.

Post: #12

I think some of you guys are taking the manosphere logic about two steps too far.

Of course there is a female equivalent to the Aloha Male. It's the Queen Bee. The Queen Bee is the woman that all the the women in a social circle take their cues from. The Queen Bee is the woman who can get commitment from high status men and the woman who has the most beta orbiters.

There are also Alpha Females, who can successfully make use of traditionally masculine personality traits. Madonna and Angelina Jolie come to mind.

Post: #13

(11-29-2013 10:28 AM)j r Wrote:  I think some of you guys are taking the manosphere logic about two steps too far.

Of course there is a female equivalent to the Aloha Male. It's the Queen Bee. The Queen Bee is the woman that all the the women in a social circle take their cues from. The Queen Bee is the woman who can get commitment from high status men and the woman who has the most beta orbiters.

There are also Alpha Females, who can successfully make use of traditionally masculine personality traits. Madonna and Angelina Jolie come to mind.

Seriously, some dudes get way too carried away with this stuff.

Post: #14

Let me clarify my earlier comment. For a theory of female Alphaness/Betaness to make sense, it has to be consistent. But as soon as beta orbiters, confidence, sexual skills and sexual aggression are thrown into the mix, it becomes wacky and stops making sense.

For example...



... look at this whale who recently bragged about having a hot athletic boyfriend who weighs less than her. She also has a YouTube channel with thousands of followers and many Beta orbiters. But is she Alpha? Is she the top of womankind? Fuck no. She's a fat cow. No one wants her except seriously deranged people. She will always remain a fat cow even if she gathers a million Beta orbiters, and it will be obvious to anyone who takes one look at her.

What about a very hot, thin, 18-year old girl...



... who is shy, bad in bed, always goes for jerks and has been pumped and dumped over 20 times now? Is she Beta, meaning that she's "meh" as female value goes? Of course not. She's hot, young and thin, and could have almost any man (if she wanted). They wouldn't care about her shyness or poor sexual history. Even if they did, she would still have plenty of opportunities to overcome all of her flaws... simply because she's hot, and it's obvious from just a glance.

It is demonstrable that female beauty is the only variable that makes her Alpha or Beta. And since it all boils down to just one variable, it becomes pointless to invent another name for it. It's red pill geekery with no benefit and no goal. Just call it "beauty" and leave it at that. The Alpha/Beta scale is meant for men, whose sexual attractiveness depends on at least 10 different factors and is far more fluid.

Post: #15

For me, it's simple. An Alpha Male is the guy that women want and men want to be like, leader of men seducer of women. There is a female equivalent and it's the Queen Bee. Queen Bees are usually attractive, but a lot of it comes down to things that are not directly related to looks.

Its easy to forget in this day and age when women often take on the worst characteristics of men in pursuit of a phony equality, but where men can be seductive women can be charming. Female charm is a real thing and when you encounter it, the effects magnify whatever physical beauty the woman may possess. And it's absence can make the hottest woman seem boorish and vulgar.

Post: #16

(11-29-2013 10:28 AM)j r Wrote:  I think some of you guys are taking the manosphere logic about two steps too far.

Of course there is a female equivalent to the Aloha Male. It's the Queen Bee. The Queen Bee is the woman that all the the women in a social circle take their cues from. The Queen Bee is the woman who can get commitment from high status men and the woman who has the most beta orbiters.

There are also Alpha Females, who can successfully make use of traditionally masculine personality traits. Madonna and Angelina Jolie come to mind.

There are no high status male drone bees though, the females are the workers and the males are essentially sex slaves until they die.

There is a energy dynamic to it all. Power is rooted from this energy an this is what makes the hierarchies. An equal male and female at the does not make any sense. They are opposites a powerful female isn't desired and is basically just a Sykes out butch. A "bitch" female whom is controlling is simply just environmental and situational, she can only be judged in what dynamics she holds with her male partners.

It's the sword and the shield anology, in and out, night and day, cold and warm. Males and females hold a duality balance but nothing equal at its strongest and weakest points.

You further confuse things when you have to bring in lesbians an gays. Gay men have more testosterone then regular men, by default they are more "Alpha" due to thier exlplict self serving tendencies. Were would you rank them? They rank above said Alpha males but are not attracted to females but more so week, effeminate and feeble men whom would be on the bottom end closer to a femenine female.

Post: #17

An alpha female is easy to define. The hottest woman in the room.

Just as being an alpha male is being an attractive man to women, the opposite is also true for chicks.

Post: #18

(11-29-2013 11:35 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Let me clarify my earlier comment. For a theory of female Alphaness/Betaness to make sense, it has to be consistent. But as soon as beta orbiters, confidence, sexual skills and sexual aggression are thrown into the mix, it becomes wacky and stops making sense.

For example...



... look at this whale who recently bragged about having a hot athletic boyfriend who weighs less than her. She also has a YouTube channel with thousands of followers and many Beta orbiters. But is she Alpha? Is she the top of womankind? Fuck no. She's a fat cow. No one wants her except seriously deranged people. She will always remain a fat cow even if she gathers a million Beta orbiters, and it will be obvious to anyone who takes one look at her.

What about a very hot, thin, 18-year old girl...



... who is shy, bad in bed, always goes for jerks and has been pumped and dumped over 20 times now? Is she Beta, meaning that she's "meh" as female value goes? Of course not. She's hot, young and thin, and could have almost any man (if she wanted). They wouldn't care about her shyness or poor sexual history. Even if they did, she would still have plenty of opportunities to overcome all of her flaws... simply because she's hot, and it's obvious from just a glance.

It is demonstrable that female beauty is the only variable that makes her Alpha or Beta. And since it all boils down to just one variable, it becomes pointless to invent another name for it. It's red pill geekery with no benefit and no goal. Just call it "beauty" and leave it at that. The Alpha/Beta scale is meant for men, whose sexual attractiveness depends on at least 10 different factors and is far more fluid.

Those eyes

Post: #19

And here I was thinking all females were beta...