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So since the KGB guy says the most import aspect of their operations was "demoralization" of the USA, and you say "America is FUCKED," are you are part of these KGB operations?

Video looks like it was made in 1979, the interviewer's haircut reminded me of this guy:

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Fuck that institutionalized communist. He is brainwashed and knows nothing.

Good luck starting a business in Russia. A Russian could come to America (or the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) to do whatever he wants, any kind of business venture, and operate freely within a business friendly legal structure without fear of the government messing with him, at least compared to Russia. He could even stand on the street corner and yell into a bullhorn about how he gives it to Obama in the ass and he wouldn't get in trouble. In terms of commerce and consistent rule of law, the anglosphere is a complete meritocracy with complete social mobility, which is perhaps the greatest achievement of humanity. By contrast, a reasonable argument could be made that Stalin was the most evil human being to ever live and he was the head of a terrible system that still resonates in that drunken mess of a country. The average Russian lives like a dog compared to the average American and has far less opportunity to change it.

That being said, I would rather date a Russian girl than an American girl. But although I don't live in American anymore, my tax address is still there. Socially, yeah, America has its problems. People are fat and the girls are annoying and slutty. But from a government or business standpoint, America has Russia beat by a mile. This KGB guy can suck it.

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It seems to reflect a pretty accurate portrayal of where America is headed right now, maybe sooner than most people realize. It's quite possible it was made in 1979, or the 80s, even video from the early 90s looks like that now.

The other video on the Frankfurt School backs up the theory. Get inside the heads of students, especially at university level, over several generations and it then becomes impossible to point out the glaringly obvious problems in society and government to them (as many of them hold senior positions in government, media etc) Instead they just call you names and ridicule you publicly.

As the ex-KBG man says, "When the military boot crashes his bottom, THEN he will understand."

   

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(11-28-2013 06:45 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  it then becomes impossible to point out the glaringly obvious problems in society and government

Like what?

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(11-28-2013 06:38 AM)SeanBateman Wrote:  In terms of commerce and consistent rule of law, the anglosphere is a complete meritocracy with complete social mobility, which is perhaps the greatest achievement of humanity.

You really believe that? We must not live in the same world.

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(11-28-2013 08:12 AM)SeanBateman Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 06:45 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  it then becomes impossible to point out the glaringly obvious problems in society and government

Like what?

The unpayable national debt.

The fact that government borrows money from a private bank (The Fed) and pays back the interest with more money it has borrowed (from The Fed and from abroad).

The move to take arms away from the American people, in violation of the 2nd Amendment.

The illegal income tax enforced by the IRS.

The destruction of middle class wealth and the farming out of manufacturing jobs to the East.

The major health problems caused by the giant corporate control of the food chain in the US, especially obesity and diabetes.

America's continual waging of wars it cannot afford nor has any legal right to be doing in the first place.

The deception that there is a Republican verses a Democratic ideology when in fact in makes no difference as both parties are controlled by one interest behind the scenes (the banks)

The NSA scandal and the freedoms we willing give up by voluntarily using products like Google and Facebook.



Stuff like that.

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in the end these assholes lost

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It's easy to say "Everything's going to hell." It's a low-investment way to get people to pay attention to you.
You can present yourself as being concerned, having foresight, being intelligent because you know some doom-and-gloom statistics.

The problem with doom-sayers becomes obvious when you notice that the Edisons, the Teslas, the Bill Gates-- the people that GET SHIT DONE don't talk or think like this.

Add to that the fact that most doom-sayers are depressed and projecting that onto the society around them, or selling a book about how to avoid the doom they foretell, AND in all of recorded history there's someone freaking out and the malls are still full... it becomes obvious to me who I should listen to.

It's a lot more fun listening to the doers than the doom-sayers.

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(11-28-2013 11:03 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  It's easy to say "Everything's going to hell." It's a low-investment way to get people to pay attention to you.
You can present yourself as being concerned, having foresight, being intelligent because you know some doom-and-gloom statistics.

The problem with doom-sayers becomes obvious when you notice that the Edisons, the Teslas, the Bill Gates-- the people that GET SHIT DONE don't talk or think like this.

Add to that the fact that most doom-sayers are depressed and projecting that onto the society around them, or selling a book about how to avoid the doom they foretell, AND in all of recorded history there's someone freaking out and the malls are still full... it becomes obvious to me who I should listen to.

It's a lot more fun listening to the doers than the doom-sayers.

Yeah, its as seductive as porn, but a more feminized version, not far off from a romance novel or 50 Shades type read. Typically it affects the young, or shut ins.

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He's completely right, you know.

The interview is from 1984. His name is Yuri Bezmenov, and he defected in 1970 by dressing like a hippie, and infiltrating a tour group.

The process he describes by which Western society is undermined was a strategy first recommended by Antonio Gramsci. It has worked beyond even the wildest dreams of most Marxist-Leninists. The stuff that we wrangle and argue about today, the positions that so-called Conservatives take, implicity endorses what would've been very radical left-wing tenets just decades ago. You cannot even begin to have a serious discussion with most people, because the reality they perceive, what they think they know, is a completely parallel universe.

C.S. Lewis wrote Abolition of Man in 1943 to bolster public morale, and I linked to an essay by Dorothy Sayers from 1947 in another post. Both of them describe the process by which what ought to be obviously disastrous ideas, like Social Constructivism or Marxist-Leninsm, or National Socialism for that matter can gain a foothold in a society where the education system has failed properly "armor" the youth against wrong-headed ideas, while also failing t equip them with the necessary logic and knowledge so they can, for themselves on their own, discern right from wrong.

It's worst at the Ivy League schools, where kids who are clearly in the top tier in terms of IQ are easily subverted, turned into proto-fascists, and then run around trying to dictate right and wrong to the faculty and university administration. PhDs in Economics cannot fathom that re-capitalizing banks with printed dollars for their greedy behavior will undermine the fabric of society, and our elites are determined to push through massive immigration, no matter the cost to Americans workers, because of an unholy alliance of corporate greed and left-wing oikophobia.

The scale of the damage is so pervasive I have a hard time seeing how Western civilization will ever recover.

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(11-28-2013 11:03 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  It's easy to say "Everything's going to hell." It's a low-investment way to get people to pay attention to you.
You can present yourself as being concerned, having foresight, being intelligent because you know some doom-and-gloom statistics.

The problem with doom-sayers becomes obvious when you notice that the Edisons, the Teslas, the Bill Gates-- the people that GET SHIT DONE don't talk or think like this.

Add to that the fact that most doom-sayers are depressed and projecting that onto the society around them, or selling a book about how to avoid the doom they foretell, AND in all of recorded history there's someone freaking out and the malls are still full... it becomes obvious to me who I should listen to.

It's a lot more fun listening to the doers than the doom-sayers.

"the people that GET SHIT DONE don't talk or think like this." - The people engineering societies in ways you can't comprehend, are EXACTLY people like those you listed.

"most doom-sayers are depressed and projecting that onto the society around them" - the largest thing that's depressed is the US economy.

Do you even believe that there is a national debt problem? If you do, as a non-depressed person, what is your view on how it should be solved?

"...and the malls are still full" - yes - with people spending money they don't own, credit, at extortionate interest rates. A nation in debt to banks, the individuals in debt to their banks.

Who's winning here? Give you one guess, it begins with a "B".


Watch this - watch all of it, from beginning to end. These problems in America have been a long time in the making.

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(11-28-2013 01:25 PM)Vendetta Wrote:  Watch this - watch all of it, from beginning to end. These problems in America have been a long time in the making.

No. Doom-saying is whining and pessimistic, and unless you can see the comet or the Panzers coming, unproductive. I've got better stuff to do than listen to alarmists.

Of source there are problems, and there are people smarter than either of us working on them.

The sure disaster that's coming is you getting old and dying. There's not much time to waste on negativity.

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ike: what you call is doom-saying is the actually just the prudent foresight of concerned citizens in a what is nominally still a free republic.

The panzers are here. It's called feminism. The comet has struck already, and we're living in nuclear winter - it's called the end of enlightened education.

These problems do not garner much attention from the elites, who regard you as peon. Their interests no longer coincide with the interests of the people. The republic is the people and the people the republic. The elite would render citizenship worthless by giving it to any laborer who cares to make the journey, much less learn a language or adopt a new culture. They would also bestow oligopoly status upon 10 selected banks to control 75 percent of the nation's financial assets. They would let millions of Americans waste away in poverty and destitution while those who created the mess grow richer. Red-tape and bureaucracy prevent the creation of new jobs, while Obama, the high priestess of the left-wing agenda, demands we all abase ourselves at the altars of feminism, environmental hysteria and big government. It's so obviously a perversion of what this country was founded for, I'm surprised we haven't already begun to execute our leaders and retake control of our neighborhoods and cities with organized militias.

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(11-28-2013 08:40 AM)Teutatis Wrote:  

(11-28-2013 06:38 AM)SeanBateman Wrote:  In terms of commerce and consistent rule of law, the anglosphere is a complete meritocracy with complete social mobility, which is perhaps the greatest achievement of humanity.

You really believe that? We must not live in the same world.

In what time and place in history was it easier for a person born into poverty to become rich?

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(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  The unpayable national debt.

The US and nearly every other developed country.

(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  The fact that government borrows money from a private bank (The Fed) and pays back the interest with more money it has borrowed (from The Fed and from abroad).

Also not at all unique to the US.

(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  The move to take arms away from the American people, in violation of the 2nd Amendment.

Countries with more strict gun laws are much safer, like the UK and Australia, and your Dirty Harry handgun will not protect you from drone strikes.

(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  The illegal income tax enforced by the IRS.

(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  The destruction of middle class wealth and the farming out of manufacturing jobs to the East.

Do you think the US government should impose laws on companies restricting where things can be manufactured?

(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  The major health problems caused by the giant corporate control of the food chain in the US, especially obesity and diabetes.

This is the fault of the consumer. No one is making people buy grape soda and frosted flakes. Every town has a farmers market and you can order grass fed beef on the internet.

(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  America's continual waging of wars it cannot afford nor has any legal right to be doing in the first place.

I do agree that the US engages in a lot of pointless conflict. But I think "legal war" is a silly idea.

(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  The deception that there is a Republican verses a Democratic ideology when in fact in makes no difference as both parties are controlled by one interest behind the scenes (the banks)

The US political system is still controlled by the voters. It's the American people who fail to understand important issues like balancing the budget and sustainable monetary policy.

(11-28-2013 10:20 AM)Vendetta Wrote:  The NSA scandal and the freedoms we willing give up by voluntarily using products like Google and Facebook.

If it took Edward Snowden for you to realize that every keystroke you make get logged somewhere then you have no idea what's going on. There is no such thing as digital privacy and there never will be.

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I get a laugh from the "Cultural Marxist/Frankfurt School" conspiracy theory. Not only have they not read any of Habermas, Adorno, or Horkheimer, they don't know that many of the Frankfurt School's ideas were published in the CIA-sponsored Congress of Cultural Freedom's periodicals. The Congress of Cultural Freedom used leftist ideas to attack the communist Soviet Union's empire.

Hey, the KGB lost that war.

Critical Theory developed by the Frankfurt School is something worth reading about and understanding - it's principally a tool for the examination of biases in cultural products. It's used in the manosphere all of the time now to examine and criticize the point of view of film, television, books, the internet. Just the way the feminists and Critical Theorists used it. If thinking about the biases of media is a bad thing, then Critical Theory is bad.

Unless there's nuclear war or an asteroid, shit's not going to change that much. Come back to New York City in 2113, things will pretty much look the same, maybe minus cars and plus a lot of little information devices, robots and drones. Politics will probably be a bit more authoritarian.

Personally, I think the world is evolving towards something on the continuum of China - UAE - Singapore: more or less oligarchical authoritarian capitalism, with a two class system, upper and lower.

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(11-29-2013 01:56 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Personally, I think the world is evolving towards something on the continuum of China - UAE - Singapore: more or less oligarchical authoritarian capitalism, with a two class system, upper and lower.

That's exactly the point. Americans, who once had a free republic, the envy of the world, are sitting back and doing nothing while their country is stolen from them by the rich elite.

I'm not a fan of Alex Jones, he acts like a crackpot whenever he gets the chance to go on TV but he has made an excellent film, everyone should watch this.

It seems odd that I, as a British person, seem to care more about America freeing itself from tyranny than some American's do! America is the great experiment - it was the wealthiest nation on earth, producing outstanding scientists, artists and thinkers. What it is now and what it will become in the near future, is truly worrying. Most American's are walking around in a trance, thinking everything will just be OK.

If you want to live the rest of your life as a serf to elite overlords, fine, continue as you are.

But tell me, how on earth do you think that is Alpha and "Red Pill"? The very Matrix you need to wake up from is being presented to here by these tireless filmmakers and researchers, THINKERS, and instead of watching and learning, there seems to be a very "Blue PIll" culture of just accepting that nothing can be done, as long as we "do nothing wrong" we have nothing to fear.

That's how fearful peasants think. Don't be one.

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The Obama Deception was the first thing I watched that got me 'into' this kind of research. Of all AJ's docs, this one strays the least into far-fetched ideas. It's fantastic, and it even got my Dad thinking when I forced him to watch it.

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When exactly was this republic more free? Was it more free in the days of slavery and Jim Crow? Was it more free when men were dirt farmers in perpetual debt to banks or coal miners in debt to the company store?

When was politics not controlled by an oligarchical elite? The 1960s were the first time that the Presidential candidates were selected by primaries as opposed to explicitly picked in back room deals by party bosses.

Some of you guys have nostalgia for a time that never existed.

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(11-29-2013 01:56 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Unless there's nuclear war or an asteroid, shit's not going to change that much. Come back to New York City in 2113, things will pretty much look the same, maybe minus cars and plus a lot of little information devices,

Exactly. All this "sky is falling" shit is teenage angst, although it may be coming from a 33 year old with poorly rounded education.

Thanks for explaining some sources about all these weird terms like "Frankfurt School" which people bat around without even understanding major cultural changes from something like the Enlightenment.

So many buffoons don't even realize liberalism came from the Enlightenment and without it they wouldn't be able to talk shit about whoever they're pissed off at this week.

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(11-28-2013 08:56 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  ike: what you call is doom-saying is the actually just the prudent foresight of concerned citizens in a what is nominally still a free republic.

The panzers are here. It's called feminism.

Now I think you are way too alarmist, but a metaphor comparing our beefy feminists to panzers is so great I really have to give you credit.

Huge, heavy, and grindingly abhorrent-- it's perfect. You've struck gold there!!!

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Some people are seeing their civilizational ideals rising, some seeing theirs receding.

If you are in one group it is among the best of times. In another there are plenty of valid reasons to be concerned.

People who are on the ascent are being honest when they tell the receding populace their concerns are overblown.

Let's look at black and white racism. Blacks say it's everywhere, whites say we're not racist, there's no problem, what are you talking about? Yet the very denial of the existence of the problem, even when honestly stated by whites, can itself objectively be seen as racism. It's dismissal of care for the concerns of the other. And it's usually innocent.

ike's statements are likewise innocent. "Frankfurt School doesn't exist," "leave it to people smarter than you," "your teenage loser angst is stupid." No different than telling black people that white racism doesn't exist. It's all about managing frame.

When you're on the descent the biggest problem is letting your frame get smaller and smaller and not caring. But when someone says that nobody's getting screwed and nobody's moving up civilizationally it's just the language of someone moving up.

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(11-29-2013 04:15 PM)Sawyer Wrote:  Some people are seeing their civilizational ideals rising, some seeing theirs receding.

If you are in one group it is among the best of times. In another there are plenty of valid reasons to be concerned.

People who are on the ascent are being honest when they tell the receding populace their concerns are overblown.

Let's look at black and white racism. Blacks say it's everywhere, whites say we're not racist, there's no problem, what are you talking about? Yet the very denial of the existence of the problem, even when honestly stated by whites, can itself objectively be seen as racism. It's dismissal of care for the concerns of the other. And it's usually innocent.

ike's statements are likewise innocent. "Frankfurt School doesn't exist," "leave it to people smarter than you," "your teenage loser angst is stupid." No different than telling black people that white racism doesn't exist. It's all about managing frame.

When you're on the descent the biggest problem is letting your frame get smaller and smaller and not caring. But when someone says that nobody's getting screwed and nobody's moving up civilizationally it's just the language of someone moving up.

Very intelligent analysis of our situational biases.

But isn't this type of thing from the forbidden Frankfurt School?

It's the Frankfurters! The Frannkfurters!!!