Post: #26

Right now, I have 93 numbers from OKC in my phone from girls I have not yet banged.

Tinder- 14

Real life - 17

I guess my conversion rate is pretty low.

I'm at 53 bangs this year.

Post: #27

(11-25-2013 05:34 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 04:41 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  Too many guys seem to think getting a number is a "close", so they tailor their approaches in such a way to promote getting the number versus going for the lay.

They may not even realize they are doing this, but in essence they don't go for it, instead playing it safe and bouncing with the digits. Thing is when they go with this mentality, they don't get enough tingles going in the broad leading to a flake when they get the nerve to contact them. Oftentimes the broad won't even know who they are.

Saying that, I think that is why a lot of guys are against getting numbers when giving advice in an attempt to get guys out of this rut.

I know that's why I say I'm against numbers.

If and when I do take a number it's well into an interaction that simply cannot go farther at that point.

The number is not the goal by any means.

That is not a "Phone Numbers are Worthless" problem.

That is a "Bad Game is Worthless" problem.

No dispute on that.

Just pointing out where some of the "numbers are worthless" talk comes from.

Post: #28

(11-25-2013 06:44 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  Let's not forget it depends on how much a player approaches.

I don't approach that much at all, but when I do, I almost always will get the number, because I have tight Game.

From the point I get the number, I know she's more than likely interested.

I then go for the ONS.

I do have a ridiculous approach to close rate, and that's something I should break down in a Data sheet, but sometimes it's hard to write down what I do, because it's become automatic for me after years of doing this.

If I don't hit it the first night and I put out concerted effort to go on a date, then I do have an incredible conversion rate on that first date.

Lastly, I spit serious game when getting the number and make myself MEMORABLE in those moments.

Girls give their numbers out like an old lady giving candy out on Halloween.

Make a mark and that helps your conversion.

Yeah, my Game is not magic.

It relies on a few things I do well:

1. Volume of Nights out
2. Stamina, Toughness and Mental Strength (dealing with late nights, booze intake and rejection)
3. Volume approaches
4. Acute screening ability (I have a unique ability to read people and energy).
5. Strong phone Game
6. Extremely Strong First Date Game (ie Locked Down Spots, Venue Bounces, Strong Logistics, Great planning and Visualization of a successful night.) - this is one of my true strengths.
7. Trap setting and Closing.

There is no "mystery" to this.

Keep in mind guys, I have been doing this stuff for a while. In a world where pua's with 3 years in the game are selling game products, I was 16-17 years old when I had three years in The Game. In many instances, I have 6-7 times as much experience as "internet game gurus" out there trying to fleece you.

It is just hard work, running The Numbers Game, Smelling Blood and going for the kill.

Anyone can do this if they want it bad enough.

Post: #29

Quote:7. Trap setting and Closing.

Id love to hear an example of this.

Something basic I do is get her to admit that she doesn't have to get up early the next morning early on in our interaction.

Post: #30

"4. Acute screening ability (I have a unique ability to read people and energy)."

^^^You articulated what I was thinking.

I have a 6th sense in reading girls who are DTF etc. I'm not sure where it comes from , besides having spent thousands of hours in the nightlife scene and watching interactions play out.

Some cats will think my numbers are crazy, but go to the club 3x a week for YEARS and see how your game improves.

Knowledge is great, but the experience is what takes you to another level.

If a guy plays guitar for 10,000+ hrs, odds are he's going to make it look effortless.

Post: #31

(11-25-2013 07:12 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  "4. Acute screening ability (I have a unique ability to read people and energy)."

^^^You articulated what I was thinking.

I have a 6th sense in reading girls who are DTF etc. I'm not sure where it comes from , besides having spent thousands of hours in the nightlife scene and watching interactions play out.

Some cats will think my numbers are crazy, but go to the club 3x a week for YEARS and see how your game improves.

Knowledge is great, but the experience is what takes you to another level.

If a guy plays guitar for 10,000+ hrs, odds are he's going to make it look effortless.

Same. But this is useless if you don't have, or haven't yet cultivated, a killer instinct to pounce on the opportunity.

Post: #32

The phrase, "numbers are worthless," is a reference to the kind of guys who focus on numbers to the exclusion of all else. In this sense, "numbers are worthless" is a true statement, since numbers by themselves mean nothing.

I don't go for numbers and even if it's hurt my overall notch count it's saved me tons of time and gotten me more same night lays/pulls. I still get a number if I can get them naked at my place but can't close on night 1.

Post: #33

It depends where you are getting the number too. In some countries a girl will respond a very high percentage of the time (cuba for example), in Toronto not so much.

Post: #34

(11-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  Right now, I have 93 numbers from OKC in my phone from girls I have not yet banged.

Tinder- 14

Real life - 17

I guess my conversion rate is pretty low.

I'm at 53 bangs this year.

What the f*ck is "Tinder"?

Sounds like some gay hairdresser guy that introduces you to girls at parties.

If that is the case, referral is always good.

Post: #35

(11-25-2013 05:54 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Money is "worthless" to a baby. They don't have the ability to use it correctly.

If you get 100 numbers and don't turn any of the numbers into bangs. You need to improve your game.

My numbers to bang ratio used to be 1/100

I kept practicing and it became 1/75

I kept working it became 1/50

Today, its around 1/25 or better.

I still remember the days of 1/100. It was only about 1500 days ago.

I approached thousands of girls to get better.

Good post.

It shouldn't be

"Phone numbers are worthless".

It really should be:

"Phone numbers are worthless to a guy with worthless game."

Post: #36

For guys like myself that do street approaches, phone numbers are crucial but getting a number doesn't guarantee you that you will get the bang. It just helps you to set up a date with her.

But many times girls will just give you a number because they felt like, not because they are interested in you. I have a friend who disses girls when they show no interest or don't give him their numbers(this guy has super strong game) but I am usually ok with that because I can move to a next chick. This way, i don't waste my time calling her and trying to set up a date.

Numbers help but they won't guarantee you bangs.

Post: #37

The only time a girl's phone number is useless is when I have already banged her.

Post: #38

(11-26-2013 06:36 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  Right now, I have 93 numbers from OKC in my phone from girls I have not yet banged.

Tinder- 14

Real life - 17

I guess my conversion rate is pretty low.

I'm at 53 bangs this year.

What the f*ck is "Tinder"?

Sounds like some gay hairdresser guy that introduces you to girls at parties.

If that is the case, referral is always good.

That would be great, but it's an app that goes on looks. Google it. It was trending during the summer. Based on the gay guy's grinder app that allows them to see who near for sex.

The difference is that girls still have more confusion about sex, so you can't just crudely substitute women for gay men.

Post: #39

(11-26-2013 10:53 AM)soup Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 06:36 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  Right now, I have 93 numbers from OKC in my phone from girls I have not yet banged.

Tinder- 14

Real life - 17

I guess my conversion rate is pretty low.

I'm at 53 bangs this year.

What the f*ck is "Tinder"?

Sounds like some gay hairdresser guy that introduces you to girls at parties.

If that is the case, referral is always good.

That would be great, but it's an app that goes on looks. Google it. It was trending during the summer. Based on the gay guy's grinder app that allows them to see who near for sex.

The difference is that girls still have more confusion about sex, so you can't just crudely substitute women for gay men.

Crazy.

Yeah, I don't download apps.

The only "apps" I use are the calling feature, contact list, texting and occasionally the calculator.

Actually, I use the alarm.

And the timer (which I just discovered) is pretty good for Shadow Boxing outside for 3 minute rounds.

Post: #40

(11-26-2013 11:04 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 10:53 AM)soup Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 06:36 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  Right now, I have 93 numbers from OKC in my phone from girls I have not yet banged.

Tinder- 14

Real life - 17

I guess my conversion rate is pretty low.

I'm at 53 bangs this year.

What the f*ck is "Tinder"?

Sounds like some gay hairdresser guy that introduces you to girls at parties.

If that is the case, referral is always good.

That would be great, but it's an app that goes on looks. Google it. It was trending during the summer. Based on the gay guy's grinder app that allows them to see who near for sex.

The difference is that girls still have more confusion about sex, so you can't just crudely substitute women for gay men.

Crazy.

Yeah, I don't download apps.

The only "apps" I use are the calling feature, contact list, texting and occasionally the calculator.

Actually, I use the alarm.

And the timer (which I just discovered) is pretty good for Shadow Boxing outside for 3 minute rounds.

I know you don't like online game, but think about it as another market. I've had a lot of success with it. It's just another way to up your outs. Where I am, there are a lot of horny girls that don't want to go out to clubs, so this lets them connect with me.

Post: #41

Ok, I got the phone sorted out but still no luck.

Here is what happened.

I was at the bar and it was pretty dead. In walks in a 8.23459. She might as well be a 8.5 since there wasn't many people out tonight with it being Veterans day.

I wait out at the bar chatting with the bartenders. I happen to have this bar locked up.

She walks up and I ask her if she has a light. Unfortunately, there are no smoking laws there so I just said cool when she said yes.

We get chatting and I am getting IOU's like crazy. I look around and see a sea of ravenous sharks circling her as if they smelled blood. I was a little worried she was on her period to be honest.

I decided it was time to build up some keno. So we decided to try our luck on a few tickets. The bitch was shit testing me trying to double down. No way was I going to pay the extra dollar and shut her right down. I could tell she was respecting me after that point.

We lost on Keno but I could tell the excitement made her tingle. I decided it was time to escalate with some soft touches on the arm.

She was digging it and I went it to lick her face.

She pushed me back with some LMR. I played it off like that little lick wasn't a big deal and just went back in the comfortable stage by taking off my shoes.

I knew I had a little time left since she came in with a group of people. I figured it was number time.

I grab her digits. I know how these things go off. I leave and 20 other guys go in after my kill and she forgets who I am when I call.

I wasn't going to let that happen this time so I decided to pull out Phermone game.

I stuck my hands under my armpits and pushed my finger under her nose. I had the asshole smirk going on which works in the US. The only problem was I had just rubbed Baking Soda on my pits when I left my house an hour ago.

The Baking Soda left a white mark under her nose. Now every girl in the place was coming up to her and asking her if she was carrying and wanted to go to the bathroom.

Fuck me, why does every girl need to go to the bathroom in groups?

So I leave and wait for 3.5 days and shoot her a call. She answers and when she realizes it was me she told me never to call her again.

Am I doing this wrong?

Post: #42

(11-26-2013 12:17 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  Ok, I got the phone sorted out but still no luck.

Here is what happened.

I was at the bar and it was pretty dead. In walks in a 8.23459. She might as well be a 8.5 since there wasn't many people out tonight with it being Veterans day.

I wait out at the bar chatting with the bartenders. I happen to have this bar locked up.

She walks up and I ask her if she has a light. Unfortunately, there are no smoking laws there so I just said cool when she said yes.

We get chatting and I am getting IOU's like crazy. I look around and see a sea of ravenous sharks circling her as if they smelled blood. I was a little worried she was on her period to be honest.

I decided it was time to build up some keno. So we decided to try our luck on a few tickets. The bitch was shit testing me trying to double down. No way was I going to pay the extra dollar and shut her right down. I could tell she was respecting me after that point.

We lost on Keno but I could tell the excitement made her tingle. I decided it was time to escalate with some soft touches on the arm.

She was digging it and I went it to lick her face.

She pushed me back with some LMR. I played it off like that little lick wasn't a big deal and just went back in the comfortable stage by taking off my shoes.

I knew I had a little time left since she came in with a group of people. I figured it was number time.

I grab her digits. I know how these things go off. I leave and 20 other guys go in after my kill and she forgets who I am when I call.

I wasn't going to let that happen this time so I decided to pull out Phermone game.

I stuck my hands under my armpits and pushed my finger under her nose. I had the asshole smirk going on which works in the US. The only problem was I had just rubbed Baking Soda on my pits when I left my house an hour ago.

The Baking Soda left a white mark under her nose. Now every girl in the place was coming up to her and asking her if she was carrying and wanted to go to the bathroom.

Fuck me, why does every girl need to go to the bathroom in groups?

So I leave and wait for 3.5 days and shoot her a call. She answers and when she realizes it was me she told me never to call her again.

Am I doing this wrong?

Decent.

But where did you name check that you were from Zanesville?

And were are the Extra Guac references?

"Painful flicks"?

White t-shirt under pajamas?

California ID's?

I mean, are you guys paying attention or what?

Post: #43

(11-26-2013 12:17 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  snip

I see what you did there.

Post: #44

That is pretty dope that this thread got "one starred".

Side Note:

Anyone tried to get a California ID with "Zanesville, OH" in the address field?

Could be an innovative move.

Post: #45

Haven't gone through most of the other comments, but unless someone else hasn't said it, I was always under the impression that the statement "numbers are worthless" wasn't meant literally, only to keep newbies from thinking that getting a girl's number already means mission accomplished. A lot of new guys who don't know any better will automatically equate "she gave me her number" with "she's interested and wants to sleep with me", whereas most of us know a girl giving us her number could mean anything from "she's willing to give me a shot" to "she just gave me her number to get me to fuck off and has no intention of answering my messages".

I suppose instead of "numbers are worthless", the statement should read "numbers are unreliable", which is why a lot of guys go try to drive the interaction to sex as soon as possible.

Post: #46

(11-26-2013 02:53 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  I was always under the impression that the statement "numbers are worthless" wasn't meant literally, only to keep newbies from thinking that getting a girl's number already means mission accomplished. A lot of new guys who don't know any better will automatically equate "she gave me her number" with "she's interested and wants to sleep with me", whereas most of us know a girl giving us her number could mean anything from "she's willing to give me a shot" to "she just gave me her number to get me to fuck off and has no intention of answering my messages".

Maybe you are right.

But are people really that stupid?

Who gets some Groceries and says "Mission Accomplished"?

I mean, you still have to cook the sh*t, right?

Post: #47

Ios7 will not let me send mass texts that hide the recipients. This getting in the way of my phone game and my promoter game.

Does anyone know how to get past this?

Post: #48

(11-26-2013 11:10 AM)soup Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 11:04 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 10:53 AM)soup Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 06:36 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-25-2013 06:49 PM)soup Wrote:  Right now, I have 93 numbers from OKC in my phone from girls I have not yet banged.

Tinder- 14

Real life - 17

I guess my conversion rate is pretty low.

I'm at 53 bangs this year.

What the f*ck is "Tinder"?

Sounds like some gay hairdresser guy that introduces you to girls at parties.

If that is the case, referral is always good.

That would be great, but it's an app that goes on looks. Google it. It was trending during the summer. Based on the gay guy's grinder app that allows them to see who near for sex.

The difference is that girls still have more confusion about sex, so you can't just crudely substitute women for gay men.

Crazy.

Yeah, I don't download apps.

The only "apps" I use are the calling feature, contact list, texting and occasionally the calculator.

Actually, I use the alarm.

And the timer (which I just discovered) is pretty good for Shadow Boxing outside for 3 minute rounds.

I know you don't like online game, but think about it as another market. I've had a lot of success with it. It's just another way to up your outs. Where I am, there are a lot of horny girls that don't want to go out to clubs, so this lets them connect with me.

I got you.

The issue for me is I have the best Organic Market with the freshest, most beautiful produce right down the street.

I can barely manage all the farm-raised, artisanal and cage-free offerings.

It makes no sense for me to get in the car and drive to Zanesville, for Walmart quality food.


(But I can appreciate it for guys in different situations.)

Post: #49

(11-26-2013 04:11 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Maybe you are right.

But are people really that stupid?

Who gets some Groceries and says "Mission Accomplished"?

I mean, you still have to cook the sh*t, right?

Well, maybe not "mission accomplished", but there are people who get overly exited about a number, thinking it means much more than it actually does, and as a result, don't put much effort into gaming new prospects. They think "number = interest = DTF", which is often not the case. Another example (one I recently met a few weeks ago) are guys who go mainly for numbers in a club instead of bangs that same night, whilst counting their success by how many names they have on their phone by the end of the night, despite the fact that numbers recieved from a drunken girl at a bar with a hundred other guys chasing her who likely won't even remember the conversation you had (much less your name) is even more likely to lead to a dead end. This is what I think most guys are thinking when they say "numbers are worthless". This admittedly mainly applies to newbies than to guys with more experience.

Post: #50

I could totally see tinder working great in miami for a surfer or male model(or at least a guy who could pass for one).

Actually you don't even need that, if you have cool photos of yourself riding an elephant, kissing a dolphin, climbing a pyramid, or something on that level, the good looking women will swipe 'yes' to you anyways even if you don't have great looking photos.

sure, you will definitely want to be going to the beach anyways, it's miami. do some surfing, some swimming, and when there are babes on the beach, approach them.