Post: #26

Getting game advice from these trust fund kids that bank roll suits and downtown penthouse apartments feels like getting cheat codes when you ask your best friend how to beat a video game.

Post: #27

Im not going to lie, im above average, but thats mostly because ive taken the time to maximize my strong points. Good clothes, gym, good hair. Its all very pre meditated.

Ive fucked fat chicks, skinny chicks, old, young, every color. It may take better game to pull a 9 than a 6, but the experience and comfort with women transfers over. You become more apt to see past her looks, and judge her for her sexual abilities rather than just looks.

Post: #28

(10-07-2013 10:00 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  Getting game advice from these trust fund kids that bank roll suits and downtown penthouse apartments feels like getting cheat codes when you ask your best friend how to beat a video game.

Who has a trust fund?

Some of us work for a living.

Where are you located that you are having so much trouble?

What is your scene like?

We are all here to help.

Post: #29

(10-07-2013 10:05 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 10:00 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  Getting game advice from these trust fund kids that bank roll suits and downtown penthouse apartments feels like getting cheat codes when you ask your best friend how to beat a video game.

Who has a trust fund?

Some of us work for a living.

Where are you located that you are having so much trouble?

What is your scene like?

We are all here to help.

I'll PM you soon.

Post: #30

I think some people on here cant accept the truth that game involves going out and mackin on bitches rather than trying to build "The ideal lifestyle that is conducive to game".

Post: #31

(10-07-2013 10:11 PM)silverbullit Wrote:  I think some people on here cant accept the truth that game involves going out and mackin on bitches rather than trying to build "The ideal lifestyle that is conducive to game".

I agree... But this coming from the guy that says girls fall in his lap.

Post: #32

He's still gotta make his lap accessible.

Post: #33

The best players I know don't tell you how many women they've slept with, nor do they keep count.

Post: #34

It is not too hard for a lot of guys to rack up numbers in America. Even if you put in minimal effort - let's say you go out once every other week. 25 times per year. You basically spend most of your time working and you manage to get laid with a ONS every fifth time you go out - that's five per year. Well if you do that in your twenties alone that is a 50 notch count by age 30. That is not unrealistic for an average guy in my estimation. For better or worse.

Post: #35

(10-07-2013 10:42 PM)durangotang Wrote:  It is not too hard for a lot of guys to rack up numbers in America. Even if you put in minimal effort - let's say you go out once every other week. 25 times per year. You basically spend most of your time working and you manage to get laid with a ONS every fifth time you go out - that's five per year. Well if you do that in your twenties alone that is a 50 notch count by age 30. That is not unrealistic for an average guy.

I'm not one to hate on anyone's game, but let's tell the truth.

America isn't known for high quality women. Most American women are fat.

I used to roll with a guy that said he had 75+ notches, he was 23 at the time. One time I invited him over to my college campus to wing me at some school parties.

We had no luck at the house parties, but saw some dorky/nerdy girls playing late night capture the flag on the open field of the main part of campus.

He was trying to pull the UGLIEST, FATEST chicks back to our dormitory. I was so shocked at how morbidly fat and nerdy these girls were, I just continued being a good wingman and let him use my room to try to bang these girls. He got an extra few notches that night, but I had trouble congratulating him with a straight face.

So yeah, that's where I'm coming from when I hear about young American guys with high notch counts. No hate though.

Post: #36

(10-07-2013 10:51 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 10:42 PM)durangotang Wrote:  It is not too hard for a lot of guys to rack up numbers in America. Even if you put in minimal effort - let's say you go out once every other week. 25 times per year. You basically spend most of your time working and you manage to get laid with a ONS every fifth time you go out - that's five per year. Well if you do that in your twenties alone that is a 50 notch count by age 30. That is not unrealistic for an average guy.

I'm not one to hate on anyone's game, but let's tell the truth.

America isn't known for high quality women. Most American women are fat.

I used to roll with a guy that said he had 75+ notches, he was 23 at the time. One time I invited him over to my college campus to wing me at some school parties.

We had no luck at the house parties, but saw some dorky/nerdy girls playing late night capture the flag on the open field of the main part of campus.

He was trying to pull the UGLIEST, FATEST chicks back to our dormitory. I was so shocked at how morbidly fat and nerdy these girls were, I just continued being a good wingman and let him use my room to try to bang these girls. He got an extra few notches that night, but I had trouble congratulating him with a straight face.

So yeah, that's where I'm coming from when I hear about young American guys with high notch counts. No hate though.

True. As was stated above in this thread, raw numbers with no regard to quality means nothing. I'm sure any guy in here would rather bed 10 solid 8s than 50 5s.

Post: #37

(10-07-2013 09:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:22 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  If you live in Miami Beach or Las Vegas, 8-10 girls per month is common place for a guy with his act together.

What about the average American Joe that lives in a town?

"Average Joe" might get zero.

Hell, "Average Joe" doesn't even make it in the club. He is in the parking lot. Doesn't even make it it the Stadium to play the Game.

F*ck being average.

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But I challenge anyone to roll out 3-5 nights per week, Custom Suited, In Shape, Smoking Cigarettes, Locking places Down, A Bankroll, Air-Tight Logistics and approaching 3-10 girls per night in NYC, Las Vegas or Miami Beach with Swagger and see if they don't take down 10- 100 girls per year.

G is 100% spot on here. Surprised he's catching so much heat on this one.

The average Joe is not the things he describes, but it is what all of us here on RVF should be working towards.

Sure, you can learn game and increase your bangs. However, I can't see why anyone wouldn't want to have more money, style and fitness. As a man, those are things I think about daily.

The average Joe could easily cease to be average just by dropping $1,000 on some new clothes (navy sport coat instead of a custom suit, solid leather wingtips, etc.), hitting the gym and getting a centrally located apartment. Just doing those things would shoot him above the other average Joes. Couple that with going out regularly and approaching and unless he is socially inept or very ugly, he is doing well for himself.

Back on topic, I'm at around 100 girls. Not sure the exact number. I think it is a milestone that puts me in the top 1% of men, but doesn't make me a super player. I think a lot of the dudes on this forum who actually get pussy will far surpass 100, myself included. I'm 29 and had a LTR for 6 years before I found game, which really just amounted to learning how to approach as opposed to relying on social circle. Never finished reading Bang or any other game books. Mostly just read this forum.

I can see decent looking dudes with their head on straight who find this forum in their teens and early twenties killing it when they are the same age as I am. If I had this information available to me when I was 18 I would have banged 100 girls before I finished University.

I think 100 is a solid milestone, but I kind of see it as the start for me. I see things getting better and better and am excited for the future. I know if I tried, I could rack up another 100 notches in a couple of years. What I really look forward to though is increasing my bankroll, fitness and style and really aiming at higher quality women.

I've fucked a lot of good quality women in my day, but I want to build myself into the man that gets the girl at the club that everyone else wants. Lets be real, game alone doesn't get you that girl.

Post: #38

(10-07-2013 10:11 PM)silverbullit Wrote:  I think some people on here cant accept the truth that game involves going out and mackin on bitches rather than trying to build "The ideal lifestyle that is conducive to game".

The best game lifestyle is being so rich that you use $100 bills as toilet paper, having gold come out of your faucets and shower, and having your whole house upholstered in unicorn skin. Women will flock to you on all fours and paw at your genital region begging to mate when you achieve this level of success.

Post: #39

Numbers guys brag about online don't mean shit.

The truth is between a man and himself.

A guy can learn a little game and make picking up average looking, slutty American girls a full-time job and rack up numbers that -

meanwhile a guy with tighter game and better looks but who spends years away in LTRs and who is more discriminating may not pull.

Post: #40

Depends on where you live.

Easier in Vegas/LA/Miami/NYC, but may be harder if in Montana.

Post: #41

The more these people drop numbers, the less I can believe them or care. It's like starting a thread about how long your dick is.

If you actually have the numbers, good for you, but use some tact. Instead of just dropping a number, you should give specific, painstaking details on how you got there (each one) and the quality of each notch. We want game advice, not egos. Keep it within the context of GAME.

Share with us your failures too, not just your successes. That way you are believable, because no one reaches any success without a number of failures. Even Roosh admits to us when he's having trouble in a certain country or having a short dryspell, and that's why we listen to him and trust him. He tells the bloody truth.

Some of us are really fighting tooth and nail for quality notches, so you number droppers are flat out disrespecting us all.

Post: #42

(10-08-2013 12:17 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  Some of us are really fighting tooth and nail for quality notches, so you number droppers are flat out disrespecting us all.

It's not disrespectful for anyone to want what they want, and to focus on getting good at that.

Some guys do want quantity over quality.

You are not better than that guy simply because you prioritize quality over quantity.

Post: #43

(10-07-2013 11:49 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:22 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  If you live in Miami Beach or Las Vegas, 8-10 girls per month is common place for a guy with his act together.

What about the average American Joe that lives in a town?

"Average Joe" might get zero.

Hell, "Average Joe" doesn't even make it in the club. He is in the parking lot. Doesn't even make it it the Stadium to play the Game.

F*ck being average.

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But I challenge anyone to roll out 3-5 nights per week, Custom Suited, In Shape, Smoking Cigarettes, Locking places Down, A Bankroll, Air-Tight Logistics and approaching 3-10 girls per night in NYC, Las Vegas or Miami Beach with Swagger and see if they don't take down 10- 100 girls per year.

G is 100% spot on here. Surprised he's catching so much heat on this one.

Of course I am catching heat on here. The truth is painful.

Quote:Back on topic, I'm at around 100 girls. Not sure the exact number. I think it is a milestone that puts me in the top 1% of men, but doesn't make me a super player. I think a lot of the dudes on this forum who actually get pussy will far surpass 100, myself included. I'm 29 and had a LTR for 6 years before I found game,

You do the right things ie the things I mention above and you could be at 500 + by the time you hit 40.

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There is always a big divide on these threads.

A guy who has a girlfriend for 8 years has minimal cash and lives in Zanesville, OH is going to have a vastly different life experience than a guy that is always single, has some dough and has a perfectly located apartment in Miami Beach.

A guy in Zanesville will see one hot girl every six months (at best).

The guy in Miami Beach will see 10 hot girls before 10 am.

Also, it depends on a guys college experience.

A guy with a girlfriend all thru college won't believe the numbers of the campus drug dealer or member of the best fraternity on campus.

It is just the way it is.

I think these forums often attract people the former examples, so when you share information from the later examples, it cuts deep.

Post: #44

Notch count in my humble opinion is an excellent metric combing game (natural or learned) and physical attractiveness.

If a chubby chaser landed 45 fatties, i'd say kudos to him. It still takes some level of game and skill to land that. We'll assume these are all mentally together adults and not geriatrics and/or mentally disabled people. Game requires work, and becomes a full time job if you're not careful. You can approach the goal in many different outlets. I like working out and building my career and life. This indirectly attracts ladies. I've had more luck doing direct day approaches as well.

I have 33 notches with a solid 7 average. I've banged trolls and hotties on both end of the spectrum.

Most guys never break 10. If you have 15, that puts you probably in the top 75%, 30 definitely 95th percentile, any higher and you're in the top 10% of dudes that sleeps with 90% of the women. No doubt, if the pill wasn't around you would have sired many children.

You should be proud of 20+ notches. Most guys never top that.

Post: #45

(10-07-2013 08:49 PM)MrXY Wrote:  We tend to have a distorted perspective because this is our lifestyle

Most guys are banging one woman at a time for years. A significant percentage of guys go years without getting laid at all unless they pay for it.

Unlike water, pussy flows uphill. I do think there is more sex happening now than decades ago but most of that sex is going to the guys at the top of the sexual pyramid. A guy who has 100+ lifetime notches is probably in the top 1%.

Absolutely.

Roosh has mentioned over and over again how it is more important than ever to be alpha, even going so far as to write: "It’s a sad fact that the modern feminist withholds sex from the nice guy, disgusted with his subservience, while servicing the sexist alpha man, increasing his power and rewarding him with more sexual delights than he could have experienced since the days of Itzcoatl."

Post: #46

(10-08-2013 07:39 AM)frenchie Wrote:  Most guys never break 10. If you have 15, that puts you probably in the top 75%, 30 definitely 95th percentile, any higher and you're in the top 10% of dudes that sleeps with 90% of the women. No doubt, if the pill wasn't around you would have sired many children.

You should be proud of 20+ notches. Most guys never top that.

It is really like anything.

Most guys never pull into barrel. (Or hell, even stand up).

Most guys will never be able to box 4 rounds with a professional fighter. (Or hell, 30 seconds).

Most guys will never have a Custom Suit made.

Most guys will never squat XXXX pounds.

Most guys will never make $200,000 or $2 million in a year.

Most guys will never leave America.

I say it time and time again, if you do the opposite of "most guys", you are on the right track.

You have to put in work if you want results.

Post: #47

What has Zanesville ever done to this board?

Imagine a tourist looking to go there and while googling the place gets the RVF forum as the first 20 hits. I can just see the perplexed look on his face.

I'm surprised their community board hasn't written a cease and desist letter to Roosh yet.

Post: #48

(10-08-2013 12:17 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  The more these people drop numbers, the less I can believe them or care. It's like starting a thread about how long your dick is.

If you actually have the numbers, good for you, but use some tact. Instead of just dropping a number, you should give specific, painstaking details on how you got there (each one) and the quality of each notch. We want game advice, not egos. Keep it within the context of GAME.

I'm not going to drop a number here, but bro - I don't even remember their faces/names/places much less be able to give you a detailed analysis of each one.

I honestly have no idea how many women i've been with. Its a blur after a while. And once it becomes blurry, you just stop even keeping track.

Is 100 a realistic number? Easily. And i've been in LTR's where I was monogamous for years. And I didn't 'go away to college' either. If someone wants to keep up the effort, banging a new chick from tinder/okcupid/real life each week seems to be doable. Especially when everything else is in check ie. logistics, fitness, $$, style, attitude. I have four or five right now just lined up that I don't have time/logistics to take care of - all just from tinder.

frankly, I'm willing to bang a 6.5 as much as a 7 or 8. I just don't encounter the 8's as often as I'd like in DC. The one I did find, she's been with me for three years now.

Post: #49

and G is right - if you become the type of guy that can box/fight, have custom clothes, squat heavy, be well traveled, and make decent cash - you'll pull all day long - even as you age.

that said, I have no idea what "pull into barrel" means.

Post: #50

Why not take r/K selection theory into account? It makes perfect evolutionary sense:

• r-selection consists of "spray & pray", i.e., a man tries to fuck and impregnate as many women as possible, then invests very little time and money in his children. Most children will fail, some may even die, but a few will survive and procreate profusively. Think of rats, rabbits, and über-alpha psychopaths like Genghis Khan.
  

• K-selection is the other extreme, i.e., a man chooses a woman carefully, commits to her, has few kids, and invests as much as possible in the few kids he has, to maximize the kids' chances of success. Think of decadent SWPL'ers.
  

Given that we carry in our genes the story of our ancestors, we are prone to both types of reproductive behavior. Needless to say, I suspect that RVF is populated mainly by r-types, but there may be some K-types around. Heck, I am a K-type. So, why am I here? Because I want to understand women in order to choose wisely a mother for the future fruit of my loins.

Personally, I think it would be healthy to accept the fact that not everyone here is biologically programmed to engage in r-behavior. Some want to collect 100s of notches and 10s of flags, others want to be patriarchs and have 3 kids and spend the next 20 years raising them to be good people. There's enough room for both types. The friction begins when K-types start chastising r-types, and r-types start ridiculing K-types.

More interestingly, men will probably oscillate between the two extremes. The transition from one type of behavior to the other must be triggered by testosterone, I suspect.