Post: #1

Has anyone else watched the movie 'Real Women Have Curves'? I watched it out of boredom a few nights ago. It stars America Ferrera, back when she was a fat chick (albeit with a pretty face).

Anyway, at one point in the movie, some guy does an incredibly awkward, creepy approach on Ferrera. You can tell he's a beta. It culminates with him giving her HIS number. "No way she's gonna call him", I thought.

To my shock, she calls him, and they go on a date. He's awkward and uses horrible game throughout the date. He even says "You have a really beautiful face" in a really creepy voice. The date is pathetic. But by the end of the date, they're holding hands, and they kiss. I couldn't fucking believe what I was watching. I was so disgusted I had to turn it off.

So my question is: If you're gonna run game on a chick you know doesn't get much attention from guys (a chubby chick with a pretty face, a girl you see something in that other guys don't, etc), should you try beta tactics on her? Discuss.

Post: #2

No.

Post: #3

To hell with that, I stay out of the FCFA = fat chick fucker anonymous...lol... go for 7's and up, occasionally a 6.

Post: #4

Dude, it was a movie.

Post: #5

Fat ones that get no attention will be DTF anyone who gives them the time. I occasionally used to scrape the bottom of the barrel when I was younger and didn't have game. Now that's totally off-limits. Let the AFC's go after the fat ones and use them as social proof and wing-women.

NEVER use beta "tactics" (that's a contradiction!) on any girl ever. The fat ones will usually respond to beta tactics because they have nothing better, but you'll always receive more positive responses by being the kind of man that women are genetically programmed to want. You should calibrate your "alphaness" according the women's body language and how responds to you (i.e. In my case I need to "soften" myself and my approach at times), but do not drop in to beta-mode.

Even if you're not attempting to go after a fatty in a social situation, staying alpha with her will create an aura that "women want you." Walk through life assuming that every girl wants you, and they will!

Post: #6

(12-20-2010 03:54 PM)GrumpStar Wrote:  Fat ones that get no attention will be DTF anyone who gives them the time. I occasionally used to scrape the bottom of the barrel when I was younger and didn't have game. Now that's totally off-limits. Let the AFC's go after the fat ones and use them as social proof and wing-women.

NEVER use beta "tactics" (that's a contradiction!) on any girl ever. The fat ones will usually respond to beta tactics because they have nothing better, but you'll always receive more positive responses by being the kind of man that women are genetically programmed to want. You should calibrate your "alphaness" according the women's body language and how responses to you (i.e. In my case I need to "soften" myself and my approach at times), but do not drop in to beta-mode.

Even if you're not attempting to go after a fatty in a social situation, staying alpha with her will create an aura that "women want you." Walk through life assuming that every girl wants you, and they will!

Well put Grumpstar! I have seen ever sort of style, alpha, beta,etc., work with some success. I've even heard of beautiful prostitutes actually falling in love with their johns'!! What's more beta than paying for sex?? Yet, these types love affairs have happened. The point is that the beta attitude for the most part doesn't work well, and you end up having to rely on luck or just date the girls that sort of just come your way, as opposed to being able to go out and get the girls you actually want.

Post: #7

Haha looks like a shitty movie to me, really interesting though.

Like someone else said, don't go for the fat chicks. Plus using beta game when actually you have pretty tight game is stupid, always use your game to its full potential: After all, you went through alot of hard shit to learn it and do it right.

Post: #8

(12-20-2010 04:41 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 03:54 PM)GrumpStar Wrote:  Fat ones that get no attention will be DTF anyone who gives them the time. I occasionally used to scrape the bottom of the barrel when I was younger and didn't have game. Now that's totally off-limits. Let the AFC's go after the fat ones and use them as social proof and wing-women.

NEVER use beta "tactics" (that's a contradiction!) on any girl ever. The fat ones will usually respond to beta tactics because they have nothing better, but you'll always receive more positive responses by being the kind of man that women are genetically programmed to want. You should calibrate your "alphaness" according the women's body language and how responses to you (i.e. In my case I need to "soften" myself and my approach at times), but do not drop in to beta-mode.

Even if you're not attempting to go after a fatty in a social situation, staying alpha with her will create an aura that "women want you." Walk through life assuming that every girl wants you, and they will!

Well put Grumpstar! I have seen ever sort of style, alpha, beta,etc., work with some success. I've even heard of beautiful prostitutes actually falling in love with their johns'!! What's more beta than paying for sex?? Yet, these types love affairs have happened. The point is that the beta attitude for the most part doesn't work well, and you end up having to rely on luck or just date the girls that sort of just come your way, as opposed to being able to go out and get the girls you actually want.

Also, if you make an effort to be "Alpha" in ALL social situations, it will eventually cease to be a facade and a show, and will gradually become part of WHO YOU ARE. This is the most important aspect of developing your game, and everything else derives from this inner source of confidence. The more developed your Alphaness, the more unstoppable you will become. Think about it as a type of leadership skill specifically tuned for gettin' ass.

Post: #9

My opinion is that the alpha beta thing is just overused. While I understand that the theory comes from evolutionary biology, it tends to ignore certain social factors. Yes, women are drawn to confident, aggressive, and powerful men. Developing these qualities is positive. Depending on where the girl is at in her life and other social factors, using the 'beta game' facade may actually work better. A lot depends on the chick and her social environment, while it's true that better looking girls act and respond differently than less attractive girls, there's a huge difference between for example an 8 raised in NYC and an 8 raised on a farm in the rural midwest.

The thing I've found is that insecure girls(and they may be cute, sometimes her looks have nothing to do whether she is insecure or not) may see you as unattainable if you are too 'alpha' and just not hook up with you. In that case a more down to earth, yet confident approach would work better.

I also disagree with being 'alpha' in all situations. Sure if you are your own boss, or independently rich then by all means do whatever you want(we are all striving for this), but I wouldn't try to act alpha around for example my boss. Also I don't know where you people grew up, but in my old neighborhood, if you tried to intimidate or out alpha certain guys, and they happened to be gang members they'd straight up fuck you up. I still know some guys who have no problem smashing a beer bottle over a guys head for little shit like maintaining eye contact for too long or hitting on his girl and these guys are approaching 30. Another time where acting alpha is the wrong way to go. Bottom line adapt to the situation, acting alpha all the time is not optimal.

Post: #10

Dumb question.

Dating and romance movies are usually written by beta chodes. Except they get to write the movie so they get to write the story where the beta chode male lead (them) gets the girl.

Thats what makes pretty much every rom-com unwatchable bullshit. Everything from 2 weddings to Scott Pilgrim vs. the World.

The only other explanation is that the writers are not beta chodes but realise that most dudes are and so market the movie to them.

I am sick of it.

It bears no relation to reality hence why your original quesion is dumb.

Post: #11

(12-25-2010 09:49 AM)Neo Wrote:  My opinion is that the alpha beta thing is just overused. While I understand that the theory comes from evolutionary biology, it tends to ignore certain social factors. Yes, women are drawn to confident, aggressive, and powerful men. Developing these qualities is positive. Depending on where the girl is at in her life and other social factors, using the 'beta game' facade may actually work better. A lot depends on the chick and her social environment, while it's true that better looking girls act and respond differently than less attractive girls, there's a huge difference between for example an 8 raised in NYC and an 8 raised on a farm in the rural midwest.

The thing I've found is that insecure girls(and they may be cute, sometimes her looks have nothing to do whether she is insecure or not) may see you as unattainable if you are too 'alpha' and just not hook up with you. In that case a more down to earth, yet confident approach would work better.

I also disagree with being 'alpha' in all situations. Sure if you are your own boss, or independently rich then by all means do whatever you want(we are all striving for this), but I wouldn't try to act alpha around for example my boss. Also I don't know where you people grew up, but in my old neighborhood, if you tried to intimidate or out alpha certain guys, and they happened to be gang members they'd straight up fuck you up. I still know some guys who have no problem smashing a beer bottle over a guys head for little shit like maintaining eye contact for too long or hitting on his girl and these guys are approaching 30. Another time where acting alpha is the wrong way to go. Bottom line adapt to the situation, acting alpha all the time is not optimal.

You misunderstand Alpha behavior. Alpha does not mean homogeneously acting domineering or intimidating or disrespectful of authority figures. Nor does it mean blindly hitting on every HB that comes into your field of view. Developing alpha characteristics with your boss or with your work is probably ONE OF THE BEST THINGS YOU CAN DO for for your career. Insecure girls won't hook up with the 'Alpha'? Sounds like you're confusing Alpha behavior with being an ass hole (which is a big red flag of insecurity). Calibrating your actions by accounting for a woman's responses is called game.

Post: #12

(12-25-2010 10:07 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  Dumb question.

Dating and romance movies are usually written by beta chodes. Except they get to write the movie so they get to write the story where the beta chode male lead (them) gets the girl.

Thats what makes pretty much every rom-com unwatchable bullshit. Everything from 2 weddings to Scott Pilgrim vs. the World.

The only other explanation is that the writers are not beta chodes but realise that most dudes are and so market the movie to them.

I am sick of it.

It bears no relation to reality hence why your original quesion is dumb.

This is so true, I'm sick of it too. I watched 3 movies like this the same week, it was just plain stupid. I must admitt some of these movies have some funny parts though.

Post: #13

If the value discrepancy is too high, then some girls will actually not be interested in you. They know on some level that u just want some ass for tonight and will never talk to them afterwards because its clear that you are too high value to actually date a girl like her. I assume this can be overcome by qualifying a bunch and gaming less but who wants to put in work for subpar chics anyways. If its a layup, thats one thing but to actually put in work to fuck an ugly chic seems retarded.

Post: #14

what movies are out there where the lead guy is alpha and he gets the hot chick? John tucker must die? lol

Post: #15

(12-27-2010 12:58 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  what movies are out there where the lead guy is alpha and he gets the hot chick? John tucker must die? lol

Avatar!

Post: #16

(12-27-2010 12:58 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  what movies are out there where the lead guy is alpha and he gets the hot chick? John tucker must die? lol

James Bond movies!

Post: #17

Most movies are written by beta males, hence the unrealistic nature of the romances.

Post: #18

(12-27-2010 04:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Most movies are written by beta males, hence the unrealistic nature of the romances.

Or females who want to demasculinize men via the big screen.

Post: #19

(12-27-2010 01:03 PM)GrumpStar Wrote:  

(12-27-2010 12:58 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  what movies are out there where the lead guy is alpha and he gets the hot chick? John tucker must die? lol

Avatar!

Haha right on!

(12-27-2010 04:20 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Most movies are written by beta males, hence the unrealistic nature of the romances.

Agreed.

Post: #20

Yes like everyone else is saying, most of the writers are beta males, gay or lefty unrealistic Hollywood type females. But yeah it was just a movie and most movies are written by the same kinds of dudes or chicks.

I say the way that men are always protrayed as begging for ass, bieng submissive pussies and total idiots around women says more than the kind of women they date in the movies. It could be ugly betty, or Jennifer Aniston and the guy is 95% of the time a weak pussy toward her.