Post: #1

Been thinking about this for a while... Hoping for some enlightenment.
What one specific factor can or perfect storm of them be blamed for Western culture being so fucked, and specifically for producing such horrendous women and dysfunctional environments for dating and having a family?

All the usual candidates, to my mind, seem to have counter examples of countries where the same factor run even more rampant still leaves things better off than here...

Feminist influence: The ridiculous nature of Scandinavian feminist's gender neutrality crusade aside, our ex-viking friends still for the most part (excluding Denmark?) produce better looking, more feminine, and generally far more tolerable women than any English speaking country, do they not?

Smartphones, technology & consumerism: Off the top of my head, I know that places like Japan and Estonia have been downright obsessed with technology and consumer trends to a much greater degree and for much longer than us in the West have... Again, same story on their women.

Lack of religion: Though I'm not remotely convinced as such, I'm willing to consider the possibility that mass belief in dogmatic religion usually leads to societies that celebrate traditional masculinity and femininity more than atheist leaning societies; but then how do you explain the fact that predominantly a-religious countries like Sweden, Russia, Japan, France (their other problems aside) still have more feminine women than us?

Higher education: The proliferation of the Independent Educated Woman™ archetype and the pressure for women to pursue higher education and a career is another possible factor, but as Roosh highlighted here, education and pursuit of a career cannot alone be blamed.

Welfare state: Though America these days is catching up at breakneck pace, we have hardly been on the forefront of this compared to Western Europe.

So, in your opinion, what is it...?
Why are English speaking countries and specifically America the epicenter for all the worst traits of women?

Post: #2

Something that just came back into my mind, that I theorized a while back:

The lack of gender in the English language.

In languages that lack gendered nouns, there seems to be a correlation with either hyper feminized, or hyper masculine culture. For example, many Asian languages are ungendered, and much of their culture is very feminine. On the other side, Austronesian language speakers (like Moari and Samoan) tend to be very masculine.

Meanwhile, your romance, slavic, germanic, scandinavian, etc.. languages have (until recently in some cases) had a nice balance.

Perhaps this subconcious lack of gender in language has led some "all knowing prophet of sex" to believe that the lack of distinction in language really does mean there's a lack of distinction (aside from all of, you know, the biological mechanisms that actually make us different)

Post: #3

A lot of other cultures are pretty fucked too, I must say. Just in different ways.

Post: #4

How can you diagnose a problem that you have not first identified? You say "fucked," but what does that mean exactly?

Imagine calling up a doctor and saying, "hey doc, I feel like shit. What's wrong with me?"

Be precise about the problem(s) about which you are talking.

Post: #5

TV is getting shitter. And too many people watch too much TV.

I really think it is that simple.

Get rid of your TVs!!! :-)

Post: #6

According to the book "The Fourth Turning", we're in a cyclical period called an "Unravelling" preceding a crisis of some kind, at which some elements of society are reset and reorganized. Into what, I don't know.

Post: #7

I was on a cruise a year ago, and there was a real interesting speaker from the FBI who retold a lot of his most interesting cases from over his 20+ year career.

At the end he touched on the 'why is society fucked' card, before the Austin tower shooting, you never really heard of gunmen going crazy.

His whole thesis was basically that it all coincides with the loss of community (along side the community aspect of religion). As technology increases, people are more and more self reliant. Women don't need men to survive, men don't need to shop, they can just order things from their damn phones. You can physically survive with zero human contact, whereas many years ago that wasn't the case. You have an increasing level of mistrust of others, paranoia, and stranger danger now, this despite the fact that this is the safest time basically ever to be alive, and the west is the safest place in that safest time. So you have these isolated people who in other times would have been helped by the community, whereas now they're just ignored until they go all crazy.

The other reason in my opinion, is that basically very few people in the west these days know true hardship. There has been no great war. Very few people have truly known hunger. Like all great societies of the past, once you're set, you grow fat, lazy, complacent. Never knowing a true worry, you bitch about language people use, traffic, your IPhone not working, or other trivial bullshit. Go talk to someone from Cambodia or Rwanda about a shitty day.

Finally I think one of the huge issues is that society via laws and rules try to discount all things that can't be explained in black and white terms. Most communication is non verbal, but if you can't articulate *why* you felt the woman you didn't hire lacked confidence, charisma, etc in black and white terms, then you're a sexist.

If a woman utters a meek no, while naked in your bed sitting on top of you, she has the legal advantage. Undue credence is placed on the verbal black and white in our society, almost to the point of 100%, whereas it constitutes a mere fraction of actual communication. It used to be 'don't be a retard' and 'you should know better' were enough warning. Now the retards are taking over.

That's one reason I like living in Asia. If I want to drink 12 beer, then go kayaking, then jump of 15m cliffs, then drink more beer, there will be 10 people lined up to sell me a discount package and provide transport. You get a lot of morons here for other reasons (mostly religion) but I find there isn't nearly as much as the blame game going on.

Post: #8

(09-23-2013 07:30 PM)Seadog Wrote:  You have an increasing level of mistrust of others, paranoia, and stranger danger now, this despite the fact that this is the safest time basically ever to be alive, and the west is the safest place in that safest time.

This

Post: #9

The irony of it all is that for the majority of people it does not seem to be fucked at all. Just business as usual.

My vote goes to lack of tribal living; once the natural environment our genome is adapted go to goes away all bets are off. This is intimately linked to lack of hardship; without a harsh existence the need for a strong community where everyone knows everyone withers away. And we become depressed without knowing why.

And has been said a million times before, it seems that women become more lost when this happens than men. Probably because a sizeable amount of men have lived outside of tribes throughout the ages, as they are able to survive on their own in the wild - did your ploy to become the "big man" fail? You gotta run away with your fellow conspirators, and try to kidnap some girls in the future and build a new tribe. Part of our genetic code know how to build new communities where there are none in place (like this forum), or kick it on our own.

Post: #10

(09-24-2013 02:29 AM)Norset Wrote:  The irony of it all is that for the majority of people it does not seem to be fucked at all. Just business as usual.

My vote goes to lack of tribal living; once the natural environment our genome is adapted go to goes away all bets are off. This is intimately linked to lack of hardship; without a harsh existence the need for a strong community where everyone knows everyone withers away. And we become depressed without knowing why.

And has been said a million times before, it seems that women become more lost when this happens than men. Probably because a sizeable amount of men have lived outside of tribes throughout the ages, as they are able to survive on their own in the wild - did your ploy to become the "big man" fail? You gotta run away with your fellow conspirators, and try to kidnap some girls in the future and build a new tribe. Part of our genetic code know how to build new communities where there are none in place (like this forum), or kick it on our own.

My most interesting subject at uni was 'Big History'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_History

I had a 10/10 for this subject. I think life and work got harder when the agricultural revolution started. The life became harder because people had to deliver surplus food as tax ->harder work.
But, however, the best hunters from the hunter& gatherer era worked REALLY hard, and were revered because of this.

I got one guest lecture from Allerd Stikker (he was well over 80 when he gave the lecture): http://www.microwaterfacility.org/blogs/...-book.html

I love his view on humanity so much. He basically says, the more we know, the more mysteries appear which we will never be able to explain (he doesnt debunk the paranormal at first sight).

Post: #11

Western culture was not fucked up, at least no more than the rest of cultures of peoples in the world. Just during last 50 years western people enrolled in the mission of demolishing it from inside and they're doing it well. I got friends from all over the world, different races, different social background, different culture and religion and we are the most self-hating, guilt-filled, all-to-be-questioned civilization known to have ever existed. We are just a lemmingized human group devoted to its own self-destruction.

Post: #12

This is a topic.

Post: #13

(09-24-2013 02:41 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  This is a topic.

Nonsense, very relevant.

Post: #14

lol @ Western Culture being "fucked"

Is there any place on earth that doesn't have this? Can I think of one country?

Feminist influence:
Smartphones, technology & consumerism:
Lack of religion:
Higher education
Welfare state

oh, that's right, AFGHANISTAN.

There's a healthy culture for sure.
- they put their bitches in place
- technology? Do Kalashnikov's count?
- no lack of religion in Afghanistan
- lol @ higher education
- Welfare? fuck outta here. It's a dog eat dog world out there, and only the strongest of alphas become warlords.

Hey couldn't these 5 factors be found in most if not all of of the developing world? Say about 170 countries out of 200 or so? like 85% of the world?

Why yes they could.

If you look @ the G-20, most of the time all of the political, social, moral, cultural, economic and military power is in the same hands. They might diversify the staff a little bit, a brown president, a female prime minister - but at the end of the day, it's the same community of people running shit.

The great advancement that the powerful have made to their own ecosystem is setting up a scheme where they can seduce the best and the brightest of the proletariat to come and do their dirty work for them.

WIA

Post: #15

Western culture is the least fucked of any cultures in my opinion.

Post: #16

Read "From Plato to NATO"

It's probably the single-most comprehensive history of the West as an idea out there. It's a very dense book, but the author threads together all the strings of Western ideas, and puts the West's ideological opponents in their proper modern (and historical) context.

It all starts with an idea, ideas shape preferences, and preferences are reflected in statistics.

Post: #17

"Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains..."

Stage One: Demoralization – Elimination of American Exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia. Peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National history is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.

Stage Two: Crisis – Creation of economic, financial, and national security crisis. Also includes social crisis and breakdown of previous self-evident restrictions on moral behavior. Cloward Piven approach to overloading the system, ie more takers than producers. The crisis produces benevolent leaders who will promise to deliver “things” (Hope and Change) to meet people’s needs through Social and Economic Justice. False illusions that the situation is under control if certain strategic directions are followed (Bailouts, Stimulus, Jobs Bills, Regulations of industry, Unconstitutional Power Grabs, Dismissal of Historical Laws, Changes in legislative processes, Changes in checks and balances of power etc).

Stage Three: Normalization – The uncomfortable feelings of change including losses of freedom are absorbed and accepted. Lost national identity becomes accepted as the norm within the new societal model. A period of national rebranding transition where people are so overwhelmed by the change they become numb and begin to accept a ‘new normal’. This period of normalization lasts indefinitely as the progression is continually advanced and acceptance takes place in small controlled doses. (New limits on behavior, Regulations, TSA Patdowns, Intrusions into privacy, Controls into daily life) These things begin to be accepted as “just the way it is now”..

Stage Four: Destabilization – Unlike the period of “Crisis” the people who helped orchestrate the change are now no longer needed. The new overarching centralized governmental model begins to take control. Leftist usurpers who initially thought they were going to be part of the new power structure begin to realize they were used and manipulated and they themselves become the new enemy. Because they have first hand knowledge of the agenda they are the primary target for elimination. They may simply be disregarded, obfuscated, thrown out, or they may be collected, imprisoned, or worse killed. There is no longer room for dissention. Dissent is only possible within the free system that has now been deconstructed. Therefore the leftist purpose is served once the destabilization is complete. Totalitarian Government takes control…

Post: #18

WWII

Post: #19

You think Western culture is fucked and then you travel to other countries and realise just how fucked up the rest of the world is.

Post: #20

Anglo-Germanic culture is the most advanced IMO.

Post: #21

Can't quote on this phone.
Very good post architekt

Post: #22

For all the people that say, "Afghanistan has religion and look how good they are..." you are implying that all religion is the same, as such. Not the case. These are usually atheist types that think they're super edgy because they listen to heavy metal and think they're educated.

I think the problem is basically that as a whole, no one believes in anything in particular. Nothing is worth fighting for, or dying for. Everyone is out to get as much money/sex/power as they can.

Everyone in the manosphere decries the act of marriage, but why is marriage so fucked up? Because of the laws, and because oaths and vows are treated as jokes. But if the vows were taken seriously, the laws would never have been passed.

A person's regard for a vow is a religious sentiment. You keep your word through thick and thin because you believe it is the right thing to do, by whatever system of thought you subscribe to.

Post: #23

Well, to understand why Western culture is being broken down, then you need to first understand what Western culture is. Christianity, nation states, homogenous white, rationalism, free market economics.

Then you look at who and what are trying to break down those movements and you will discover that the decline of the west it not entirely of its own people's doing.

Look at who is behind multiculturalism, socialism, feminism, militant atheism, corrupt banking systems.

When you see some groups being so very misrepresented proportionally in those movements, then you have to connect the dots or you are intellectually dishonest.

Post: #24

(10-31-2013 11:49 AM)Sombro Wrote:  "Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains..."

Stage One: Demoralization – Elimination of American Exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia. Peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National history is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.

Stage Two: Crisis – Creation of economic, financial, and national security crisis. Also includes social crisis and breakdown of previous self-evident restrictions on moral behavior. Cloward Piven approach to overloading the system, ie more takers than producers. The crisis produces benevolent leaders who will promise to deliver “things” (Hope and Change) to meet people’s needs through Social and Economic Justice. False illusions that the situation is under control if certain strategic directions are followed (Bailouts, Stimulus, Jobs Bills, Regulations of industry, Unconstitutional Power Grabs, Dismissal of Historical Laws, Changes in legislative processes, Changes in checks and balances of power etc).

Stage Three: Normalization – The uncomfortable feelings of change including losses of freedom are absorbed and accepted. Lost national identity becomes accepted as the norm within the new societal model. A period of national rebranding transition where people are so overwhelmed by the change they become numb and begin to accept a ‘new normal’. This period of normalization lasts indefinitely as the progression is continually advanced and acceptance takes place in small controlled doses. (New limits on behavior, Regulations, TSA Patdowns, Intrusions into privacy, Controls into daily life) These things begin to be accepted as “just the way it is now”..

Stage Four: Destabilization – Unlike the period of “Crisis” the people who helped orchestrate the change are now no longer needed. The new overarching centralized governmental model begins to take control. Leftist usurpers who initially thought they were going to be part of the new power structure begin to realize they were used and manipulated and they themselves become the new enemy. Because they have first hand knowledge of the agenda they are the primary target for elimination. They may simply be disregarded, obfuscated, thrown out, or they may be collected, imprisoned, or worse killed. There is no longer room for dissention. Dissent is only possible within the free system that has now been deconstructed. Therefore the leftist purpose is served once the destabilization is complete. Totalitarian Government takes control…

From the video:

Quote:You cannot subvert Soviet Union

Post: #25

(09-23-2013 06:57 AM)Architekt Wrote:  Something that just came back into my mind, that I theorized a while back:

The lack of gender in the English language.

In languages that lack gendered nouns, there seems to be a correlation with either hyper feminized, or hyper masculine culture. For example, many Asian languages are ungendered, and much of their culture is very feminine. On the other side, Austronesian language speakers (like Moari and Samoan) tend to be very masculine.

Meanwhile, your romance, slavic, germanic, scandinavian, etc.. languages have (until recently in some cases) had a nice balance.

Perhaps this subconcious lack of gender in language has led some "all knowing prophet of sex" to believe that the lack of distinction in language really does mean there's a lack of distinction (aside from all of, you know, the biological mechanisms that actually make us different)

Sapir–Whorf hypothesis?