(09-18-2013 03:09 PM)speakeasy Wrote: Please tell what country in Europe it is that these girls are considered "regular" because I'm going to move there.
1st Tier Model cities are Paris, Milan, New York. *only* These cities have fashion weeks that top fashion models participate in and buyers for every retailer who is anybody goes to and every top designer participates in.
Cities like Los Angeles, Miami, London, Berlin, Munich etc have fashion models but they are mostly working on national or regional campaigns and are usually not doing the cover of Vogue or Cosmopolitain. these cities also have commercial models and glamour models (Miami and LA have lots of these types).
Fashion Models are the models that can be classified as supermodels. These are models like: Gisele Bundchen, Heidi Klum, Kate Moss, Adriana Lima, Naomi Campbell etc. Fashion models who do fashion shows in Tier I model cities all have pretty much the same body size and style ... which is a very narrow range. Generally they are about 1m76 - 1m80 (5'9" - 5'11"). Outside of this range they get much less work because they all have to wear the pretty much the same sized clothes. There are beautiful models in Prague who stay in Prague because they are too short to work as a fashion model in a Tier I city. In non-Tier I cities they can do fashion model type stuff for lesser known designers.
Fashion Models who primarily do print ads and TV commercials for products other than designer labels are considered "commercial models" in the fashion business. Commercial models can be shorter (or taller) have bigger breasts, etc. It just depends on what the advertiser wants. But in Tier I cities, the commercial models who are not also fashion models are usually doing less well unless they have something special.
There are also glamour models (topless or bikini or lingerie models). Some guys find them more desirable (more curvy, bigger tits), but they make a lot less money and have a much less glamorous lifestyle.
I was living in Paris for quite awhile and along with NYC and Milan this is probably the best place to meet a model (well, if you want a glamour model, LA or Miami might suit you better). If you are American, New York would probably be 3rd, as in these circles in Europe, they aren't meeting many Americans, but many see New York as the top of the top for their profession so they want to know more about the USA. Not that it's easy in these cities, but there are large quantities. If you fit their criteria (which it's impossible to know in advance) it's not too difficult to bag one if you know the setup. In Milan and Paris things are very similar. I can't tell you much about how it works in LA or NYC because when I was going out in those cities I was too young to be of much interest to them, although from time to time I had a chance to meet a very few.
While I was in Paris, through work I met one American fashion model and while we were more or less in contact, after she found out I was going out with one of her EE model friends she became very curious and wanted to get all the dirt on her. So we eventually became friends. The American was very successful and had done runway shows for top designers and did international campaigns for car brands and other major products. When she needed some internet help, she would always invite me for drinks with her and bring along 1 or 2 fashion model friends who had no boyfriend. If it worked and I went out with one, I could be sure that she would call me up and ask for some free IT help. This went on for 2 or 3 years, so I've sat down with quite a few of them and heard a lot of their stories as a friend, rather than a guy they think wants to to them in the next 30 minutes.
Here's what you need to know (about fashion models):
- A lot of these girls are never getting laid. My model friend was always telling me whenever one of her friends complained about it. Having a bf but never getting anything, or having no bf at all...there are a lot of these.
- After about 24yo their fashion model opportunites fall off very quickly, so at that point a lot get breast enhancement and start doing lingerie and/or glamour work.
- At around 27+ all they do is go shopping, meet their girlfriends in cafes and talk about guys (generalization, but true often enough to use to formulate a strategy). At this point they are looking for a husband because for many, the only jobs they can get wouldn't allow them to maintain their current lifestyle.
- Some models live in the Tier1 city full time and some only come during certain months of the year during fashion week and then go home. Models living in Milan, Paris, New York year round, probably only make a lot of money during the 4 fashion weeks when they get runway show jobs and showroom jobs for about 2-4 weeks. If they can consistently get some print or TV ads (editorial) then they are rolling in the money and can sort of be called a Top Model. Otherwise, they have to struggle to maintain this glamorous lifestyle that they've been exposed to, so many look for a successful guy who they can live with and a few look for a guy they can milk for some cash (not as many IMO). Most guys here think Paris would be too expensive, so imagine how it is for a Ukraine girl who arrives there at 19yo.
- In Italy and France, the average height of guys is around 5'6" or 5'7". The average height of the models is around 5'10". They are generally looking for a guy taller than they are (not always). They also generally speak English better than Italian or French. So if you are a tall English speaking foreigner and in decent shape, you have a good "in" based on that alone.
- A lot of models who arrive in these cities knowing nobody are more lonely than you can possibly imagine. January Jones (Betty Draper on MadMen) said in an interview that the year she spent modeling in Paris was the loneliest year of her life. A German model I went out with very seriously for quite awhile told me exactly the same thing about the year she spent in Paris. She didn't like to go clubbing and she didnt know anybody, so she just stayed home alone. She later did lots of national campaigns in Germany for one of the best known brands, but even in Germany (which has the best paid modeling jobs on the continent), she could barely make ends meet many months out of the year.
Apart from that your basic HB10 game applies. This means, they think they already know you want them. Why? Because you are a guy and if you are a guy who doesn't want them you are several standard deviations out from the mean, so they want to know why.
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