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Is this where Beyond Borders trained for arm wrestling?

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The Body Builder should have known better than to compete with the Arm Wrestler.
That's the ego speaking. He can be glad he didn't break his arm.

Now what would be interesting is seeing a Strong Man athlete take on this guy.
Still wouldn't put my money on him, but he'd have a lot better chance given that he trains for strength.

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Muslces aren't just masses of meat. They are formed with purpose. You could look like a walking balloon man and not have any function.

This is why I'm not crazy about just getting big to look good for girls.

You don't want to look like a pansy, but do people really need to get that ripped to get girls?

A grandma with a pistol can take out the world's greatest body builder in two seconds.

I am working out more, but I believe it's more important to have dominating body language than to be muscular.

Who wins- the muscular guy who is a pussy at heart, or the in shape guy who has got solid confidence and swagger? If it makes you feel more confident, then get ripped, but you don't need to be in order to get girls.

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I guess technique over pure brawn, or the fact the arm wrestlers trains for winning matches and the other guy trains for big muscles.
I knew a guy thats kind of relevant to this video... he never went to the gym or worked out but he was always the strongest guy in the room. He worked hard, and had all his life even when he was a kid. He would arm wrestle guys at work that have been gym rats all their lives an must have out weighed him by at least 100lbs and he would win an do so easily (One BIG BUFF guy tried to fight him after he lost he was so pissed but everyone else stepped in an broke it up) I dunno if he was born with that strength or what but he was a beast.. He was smart to, could do anything. Build houses, restore cars, take engines apart an put them back together.

His down fall was he was to nice tho. Got shitted on by ever girl he was ever with... still with one that did him very very dirty.

On a side note Pulling John is a great documentary on arm wrestling, its on netflix.

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In his autobiography, Arnold Schwarzenegger says that alot of body builders are not that strong. He goes on to explain what he means by this. To sum up his views - he thinks some bodybuilders get lazy and just repeat the say actions over and over. As a result - there is no proper strength in the arm, except for the exact motion required for lifting a specific weight. Arnie tried to counteract this by 'shocking' his muscles with unpredicatable actions and work out sessions.

A friend of mind at work (who is quite short) works out alot and is a wannabe bodybuilder. Yet he told me his ex-girlfriend used to beat him in arm wrestles. I think the chick probably has longer arms than him - but I always found that quite surprising.

The best armwrestlers I have known tend to have a lean muscular build. But the technique is important as well.

Lastly - the best female armwrestler in the world is hot as fuck. Enjoy!

Sarah Backman.

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(09-14-2013 09:19 AM)soup Wrote:  Muslces aren't just masses of meat. They are formed with purpose. You could look like a walking balloon man and not have any function.

A 177 pound college wrestler would handle the arm wrestler in a wrestling match.

A middleweight boxer woud be able to knock the arm wrestler out in a boxing match.

There is no such Platonic concept as "function." Everything is relative to the sport being performed, i.e., the rules of the sport and the technique.

A friend of mine was a cross country runner state champion. He wanted to box with me and assumed I'd gas out and he'd be able to win.

After a minute he was breathing hard and he was gassed after 2 rounds.

Was I in better shape than he was? As measured by VO2 max or other lab test, hell no. As measured by a running race? Not a chance.

But I knew technique and how to move my body, which led to efficiency of movement.

So I was in substantially better shape than he was with respect to the function of boxing.

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I can't remember the name of the arm wrestler who is moving into bodybuilding. His arm is the largest thing I've ever seen.

While on Google images looking for him, I found this. Apparently it's not a hoax.

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(09-14-2013 11:23 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  I can't remember the name of the arm wrestler who is moving into bodybuilding. His arm is the largest thing I've ever seen.

While on Google images looking for him, I found this. Apparently it's not a hoax.

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(09-14-2013 11:23 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  I can't remember the name of the arm wrestler who is moving into bodybuilding. His arm is the largest thing I've ever seen.

While on Google images looking for him, I found this. Apparently it's not a hoax.

That reminds me of the time Quagmire discovered Internet porn.

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^----- Damn that is something else! Is this the guy?
Matthias Schlitte

http://blog.bodybuilding.com/SpotMeBro/2..._has_just/

18" forearm!

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(09-14-2013 11:20 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(09-14-2013 09:19 AM)soup Wrote:  Muslces aren't just masses of meat. They are formed with purpose. You could look like a walking balloon man and not have any function.

A 177 pound college wrestler would handle the arm wrestler in a wrestling match.

A middleweight boxer woud be able to knock the arm wrestler out in a boxing match.

There is no such Platonic concept as "function." Everything is relative to the sport being performed, i.e., the rules of the sport and the technique.

A friend of mine was a cross country runner state champion. He wanted to box with me and assumed I'd gas out and he'd be able to win.

After a minute he was breathing hard and he was gassed after 2 rounds.

Was I in better shape than he was? As measured by VO2 max or other lab test, hell no. As measured by a running race? Not a chance.

But I knew technique and how to move my body, which led to efficiency of movement.

So I was in substantially better shape than he was with respect to the function of boxing.

To me technique is spirit. Beauty and grace in nature arise out of economy of motion. In other words, making the most with what you've got.

I love the idea that there are little skinny guys out there who can kick the ass of big muscular guys.

I know a nerdy looking hipster guy who is, if I can remember correctly, a black belt, or very high ranking martial artist.

This is a guy who has beardy Bushwick look. Kind of husky. Doesn't look like the MMA bodybuild or anything.

He was at a club and a bouncer was starting shit with him. The bouncer was much bigger than he was.

This hipster guy got the bouncer in some kind of arm lock behind his back and threatened to break his arm if he didn't chill.

I think game is like this- you make the best of what you've got. Max out all your attractive attributes as much as possible and get the technique together.

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That guy also reminds me of the big-fisted guy from that game Samurai Shodown.

(see first minute or so)

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(09-14-2013 11:37 AM)soup Wrote:  I love the idea that there are little skinny guys out there who can kick the ass of big muscular guys.

Not to get too much into sports psychology....But...

This tells me you still identify with the small kid/unsuccessful person.

That's a red flag to me about your "inner game."

You should work on finding ways to identify with the strong and admire achievement rather than admire the weak for "pulling one over" on the strong.

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Technique beats size (absence chance, which is always a factor in a fight):

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You guys don't understand lifting. I lift because it feels good.

Women I know tell me I look better when I was 180. I am 210 and still growing. It's a hobby like working on cars. I get a sense of accomplishment when I can slide on one more plate then the last time, squeeze out one more rep.

As far as usefulness in a fight, I'd get owned in a boxing match but if it came to grappling I could take someone down

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(09-14-2013 11:48 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  Technique beats size (absence chance, which is always a factor in a fight):

Dude thats awesome, the guy I trained BJJ from is a black belt under Pedro Sauer. I have went to seminars Mr. Sauer held!!!

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(09-14-2013 11:48 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  Technique beats size (absence chance, which is always a factor in a fight):

Dude thats awesome, the guy I trained BJJ from is a black belt under Pedro Sauer. I have went to seminars Mr. Sauer held!!!

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(09-14-2013 11:45 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(09-14-2013 11:37 AM)soup Wrote:  I love the idea that there are little skinny guys out there who can kick the ass of big muscular guys.

Not to get too much into sports psychology....But...

This tells me you still identify with the small kid/unsuccessful person.

That's a red flag to me about your "inner game."

You should work on finding ways to identify with the strong and admire achievement rather than admire the weak for "pulling one over" on the strong.

Thanks for the advice. I can identify with the underdog, but I also see myself as destined for greatness.

My big problem is that I oscillate between these two extremes of super confident and the opposite.

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It's dishonest to make conclusions about this. The bodybuilder is not bloated with 'worthless pump muscle', he's clearly strong as shit (you can't have delts that big without being strong). Him getting beaten by a comparatively scrawny arm wrestler doesn't suddenly make him weak.

He's never trained for arm wrestling, which is probably all that the other guy does. Sport specific training makes the difference here.
That zasz dude who invented isometrics (forgot his name) and could break out of prisons by bending the bars and snapping chains said that through targeted isometric workouts, you can increase your strength almost linearly at about 5% increase per week for a very long time. You just assume the broken arm position against a beam or while holding a chain attached to a parked vehicle or something and exert maximally against it.

Give the bodybuilder like twenty weeks of dedicated arm wrestling training and teach him how to cheat *(arm wrestling "skill" is cheating) and he'd probably mop the floor with a lot of these guys.

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(09-14-2013 12:41 PM)Hades Wrote:  It's dishonest to make conclusions about this. The bodybuilder is not bloated with 'worthless pump muscle', he's clearly strong as shit (you can't have delts that big without being strong). Him getting beaten by a comparatively scrawny arm wrestler doesn't suddenly make him weak.

He's never trained for arm wrestling, which is probably all that the other guy does. Sport specific training makes the difference here.
That zasz dude who invented isometrics (forgot his name) and could break out of prisons by bending the bars and snapping chains said that through targeted isometric workouts, you can increase your strength almost linearly at about 5% increase per week for a very long time. You just assume the broken arm position against a beam or while holding a chain attached to a parked vehicle or something and exert maximally against it.

Give the bodybuilder like twenty weeks of dedicated arm wrestling training and teach him how to cheat *(arm wrestling "skill" is cheating) and he'd probably mop the floor with a lot of these guys.

That's what I mean- training. Not just having muscles and not knowing how to use them.

That's like giving a really nice guitar to a beginner.

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(09-14-2013 12:53 PM)soup Wrote:  

(09-14-2013 12:41 PM)Hades Wrote:  It's dishonest to make conclusions about this. The bodybuilder is not bloated with 'worthless pump muscle', he's clearly strong as shit (you can't have delts that big without being strong). Him getting beaten by a comparatively scrawny arm wrestler doesn't suddenly make him weak.

He's never trained for arm wrestling, which is probably all that the other guy does. Sport specific training makes the difference here.
That zasz dude who invented isometrics (forgot his name) and could break out of prisons by bending the bars and snapping chains said that through targeted isometric workouts, you can increase your strength almost linearly at about 5% increase per week for a very long time. You just assume the broken arm position against a beam or while holding a chain attached to a parked vehicle or something and exert maximally against it.

Give the bodybuilder like twenty weeks of dedicated arm wrestling training and teach him how to cheat *(arm wrestling "skill" is cheating) and he'd probably mop the floor with a lot of these guys.

That's what I mean- training. Not just having muscles and not knowing how to use them.

That's like giving a really nice guitar to a beginner.

I guess what I'm getting at here is that while it would take about twenty weeks of dedicated isometric practice and 'skill training' for Mr. Bodybuilder to be able to compete, it might take three to five years of dedicated lifting and eating for the arm wrestler to look like (and be as strong as) the bodybuilder.

It's comparing apples to bananas but the overall physical achievement and even ease of adapting to other forms of physical achievement is both significantly higher and can be done much more quickly with the bodybuilder, because he has already built a framework. He may not have trained arm wrestling directly but he has wasted no time in laying the ground work.

The calisthenics community is very aware of this phenomena, that there's no such thing as junk muscle. Every now and then you get a pretty big dude on the barstarz forum who can't, for instance, do a front lever pull in May and by mid-July he can rep out like three sets of eight, because the framework was already there. If you get a fairly detrained athlete (represented here by the arm wrestler) and make him learn front lever pulls it can take two years of dedicated training.

If the bodybuilder took a serious ego hit and there was a lot of shit talking you could expect subsequent rematches to end differently, supposing he did his homework. It looked friendly though so I suppose that each can stay within their relative spheres and respect the other's achievement.

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(09-14-2013 11:45 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(09-14-2013 11:37 AM)soup Wrote:  I love the idea that there are little skinny guys out there who can kick the ass of big muscular guys.

Not to get too much into sports psychology....But...

This tells me you still identify with the small kid/unsuccessful person.

That's a red flag to me about your "inner game."

You should work on finding ways to identify with the strong and admire achievement rather than admire the weak for "pulling one over" on the strong.

Actually, it's about seeing strength where you originally perceived none.

I admire the strength it takes to over come adversity. That is true achievement.

It's definitely an American thing to root for the underdog. Karate Kid, Rocky, etc.

That's what I'm talking about.

I saw the new Wolverine movie and realized that, even though I loved the character as a kid, he's not really that good a fighter. In the movie he loses his healing power, and you see how much he leans on that when he's fighting ninjas.

But, it's not just about the "weak" overcoming the "strong".

It's about grace. Someone who can do the same or more than someone else, but with less work and tension.

Orgasm is the release of tension.

I admire virtuosity. I like when a painter can express greater meaning with a few strokes than many.

It's like E=mc2

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It's been a long time understanding that technique trumps power among athletes. Especially in combat sports.

That's why there's such an emphasis on finding a proper balance between training for power/conditioning and working on technique.

Bodybuilders are not athletes, nor are they comparatively powerful when stacked against strongmen or even crossfitters.

And come on guys, how can you not notice what is obvious, the one guy with the 18 inch forearm is obviously possessing the likeness of a certain Masters of the Universe character I won't name....

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(09-14-2013 11:20 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(09-14-2013 09:19 AM)soup Wrote:  Muslces aren't just masses of meat. They are formed with purpose. You could look like a walking balloon man and not have any function.

A 177 pound college wrestler would handle the arm wrestler in a wrestling match.

A middleweight boxer woud be able to knock the arm wrestler out in a boxing match.

There is no such Platonic concept as "function." Everything is relative to the sport being performed, i.e., the rules of the sport and the technique.

A friend of mine was a cross country runner state champion. He wanted to box with me and assumed I'd gas out and he'd be able to win.

After a minute he was breathing hard and he was gassed after 2 rounds.

Was I in better shape than he was? As measured by VO2 max or other lab test, hell no. As measured by a running race? Not a chance.

But I knew technique and how to move my body, which led to efficiency of movement.

So I was in substantially better shape than he was with respect to the function of boxing.

I remember Bas Rutten (thai boxer and also a former UFC heavyweight champion and King of Pancrase) talked about how one time this marathon runner came to train kickboxing with him. He said the runner started to gas out within 5 minutes of hitting the pads. It's not that the guy wasn't in shape but he was doing a different sport and his breathing patterns weren't adapted to kickboxing. In running you expending cardio at a constant pace over period of time while with pretty much any combat sport you are working with short bursts.