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RE: First Fiction Book I Should Read? Game of Thrones? The Dark Tower?
(09-12-2013 01:15 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  
(09-12-2013 11:57 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  Harry Potter?

There much booze, fighting and fucking in Harry Potter?

If not, probably not my cup of tea.

Thanks though.

How about Rob E Howard's stuff?
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RE: First Fiction Book I Should Read? Game of Thrones? The Dark Tower?
I will make a case for Talon of the Silver Hawk by Raymond Feist. I don't think he's a particularly great writer (I don't like George Martin either), but this series he wrote very well. My standard for fantasy fiction is Patrick Rothfuss. Personal taste. I'm sure many won't like him, and many love George R.R Martin.

The book has all of what you want (sex, booze, violence, political intrigue, etc) and then some more. Bear in mind that it has a "heroic fantasy" feel to it. Things won't go as expected, but in the end things will work out fine for the hero. Sort of. He'll still go through shit and some tragedies throughout the book, but then it works out fine.

So what more does this book have to offer? It has some "game" aspects to it. You see Talon grow into a man, from the boy who had his family slaughtered. He learns about everything ranging from wine and politics to sword fighting and cooking. Halfway through the book, he is DHV himself. He embodies it. But before getting there, there is an interesting part where he gets shat on by a girl who he thinks to be the love of his life. One of his mentors walks in and attacks him and in the end, his lesson is this: "There's some bad mofos out there Tal. Many of them will want you dead. Do you think they'll ever say 'Oh, but poor Tal had his heart broken, so we'll come back later" or will they rather just kill you, no matter the means?' And some of those mofos are women. Women you'll take to bed may be the ones who kill you. Or they may be spies." (paraphrasing of course)

Failing that, then The Name of the Wind. My favourite novel so far. There's a preview on the Rothfuss' website, check it out and see for yourself. Well worth it.
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Alice in Wonderland. That book is fucking hilarious! Very good wordplay on Mr. Carroll's part. I read up to chapter ten last night and plan to finish the rest. Go to gutenberg.org to find it.
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Quote:The Gunslinger is an amazing book (first book of the Dark Tower series) - one of my favorites of all time. I think that's a great world to start off in - it has a little bit of everything you've mentioned. The the first is very Western-ish in tone, but it has plenty of fantastical elements to keep your imagination soaring.

I could not agree more. I still remember the autumn I first read the gunslinger. In fact, my mind still falls on words, stories, and images from this series.

My favorite (after the Gunslinger) is Wizard and Glass. Masterful storytelling.

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RioNomad,

A Song of Ice & Fire (Which the GoTM books are called as a series) is far more accessible than The Dark Tower which deals in a lot of symbolism, especially in the later books.
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Read Harry Potter man. If you give a shit about a good story and quality escapism you're guaranteed to finish it. She is a very talented woman.

Orson Scott Card writes some decent weird-ass fiction, like Wyrms, Treasure Box (don't believe the moderate to low reviews on amazon, it's actually a pretty quality horror novel until you get to the ending, which also sucks), the first one or two Alvin Maker books (the rest blow complete ass), though much of his stuff is shit. Ender's Game is good but the rest of the series also suck. He has a (very beta) habit of blowing his wad immediately in series or even the book and then just running out of ideas until he leaves awkwardly, limp dick in hand. I have to read more of his off-the-wall fiction since a lot of it has great premises.
My recommendation is that if you want to enjoy Card, do it in small doses and avoid certain series, i.e - read Ender's Game series and avoid Alvin Maker, or vice versa. He recycles most of his ideas, particularly his bizarre notions of a gaia-earth mother which show up continually in his shit. Avoid his shittiest books like "Folk of the Fringe", "Pastwatch" and "Children of the Mind". He's a very narcissistic mega-Mormon and it bleeds terribly into stories he writes on few ideas (the shitty ones). He's the biggest fantasy author on the kindle marketplace and even amazon's fantasy section overall, and for good reason, he intermittently writes outstanding work.

Stephen King wrote one proper American epic fantasy in "The Stand". It's The Lord of the Rings for Maine and Colorado, basically. The rest of his stuff is also good. I'm brief on King because he is skilled and knows how to tell a story. I never read Dark Tower series but I imagine that it's excellent. Even his bad books are rough-cut gems.

The Lord of the Rings is OK if you're into ripping all of the Norse sagas and languages as pedantically as possible.

You can try some Jean Auel if you're into rape fantasy fiction. It's Twilight for cavemen. It goes to show that even chicks in Mensa (Auel) have more powerful hamsters.

All of my friends have recommended me the Wheel of Time series but I never had time. Heh.

There's a lot of turds in the fantasy section because a lot of people use the genre as an excuse to execute their sexual fantasies in literature. I haven't found any good dark fantasy yet. Of all that I listed, "The Stand" is probably the best stand-alone novel.
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For sci-fi, you might try David Brin. Startide Rising and The Uplift War. He imagines a future where humanity achieves intergalatic travel only to encounter a universe crowded with other, more advanced alien races. Galactic society is structured around 'uplift,' which is the process by which more advanced races discover semi-sentient species and uplift them, through genetic modification and breeding, to full sentience. The uplifted species is considered a client of the more advanced species for a long period of 'guidance' which can be virtual slavery depending on how nice the patron race is.

Humanity, fortunately, had already begun uplifting dolphins and chimps before encountering this advanced galactic civilization, thus was reluctantly accorded the status of patron rather than being forced into client status. But it is a narrow thing, and we are left scraping for allies and struggling to keep our independence in a galaxy full of hostile civilizations that would be just as happy to see us under their thumb for guidance and selective breeding.

If intelligent dolphins are your thing, give it a shot. Or, you know, you can't go wrong with Dune or Ender's Game.
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(09-14-2013 12:16 AM)Ryre Wrote:  For sci-fi, you might try David Brin. Startide Rising and The Uplift War. He imagines a future where humanity achieves intergalatic travel only to encounter a universe crowded with other, more advanced alien races. Galactic society is structured around 'uplift,' which is the process by which more advanced races discover semi-sentient species and uplift them, through genetic modification and breeding, to full sentience. The uplifted species is considered a client of the more advanced species for a long period of 'guidance' which can be virtual slavery depending on how nice the patron race is.

Humanity, fortunately, had already begun uplifting dolphins and chimps before encountering this advanced galactic civilization, thus was reluctantly accorded the status of patron rather than being forced into client status. But it is a narrow thing, and we are left scraping for allies and struggling to keep our independence in a galaxy full of hostile civilizations that would be just as happy to see us under their thumb for guidance and selective breeding.

If intelligent dolphins are your thing, give it a shot. Or, you know, you can't go wrong with Dune or Ender's Game.

This actually seems pretty fucking sweet.

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As for RioNomad, here's the book that fucked my head from left to oblivion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Maker

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Star Maker is a science fiction novel by Olaf Stapledon, published in 1937. The book describes a history of life in the universe, dwarfing in scale Stapledon's previous book, Last and First Men (1930), a history of the human species over two billion years. Star Maker tackles philosophical themes such as the essence of life, of birth, decay and death, and the relationship between creation and creator. A pervading theme is that of progressive unity within and between different civilisations. Some of the elements and themes briefly discussed prefigure later fiction concerning genetic engineering and alien life forms. Arthur C. Clarke considered Star Maker to be one of the finest works of science fiction ever written.
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Despite that, it's not an incredibly difficult read. It would be a revolutionary read if it were written in 2007, let alone 1937. It is literally the entire (fictional) history of the universe wrapped up in 250 sleek pages, including the fantastical life of stars and nebulas, and culminates with the narrator meeting the maker of the sprawling and indescribable universe. Of every book attempting to explain the mentality of a God that I've ever read, this is the only one that makes a damn bit of sense.

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I'm not normally a big fan of King, but I did enjoy 11/22/63.

Yeah, that's the name of the book. 11/22/63

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11/22/63

It's what I would call historical fiction, so it may be right up your alley Rio.

I'm not a big fan of fiction myself, so this crossover worked well for me.

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I really enjoyed some shadowrun novels lately, especially the stuff by Jak Koke and Markus Heitz.
Not especially high literature but I eat this stuff up.
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Rio, I wouldn't recommend Game of Thrones unless you are needing that extra push to suicide yourself.

If you like that genre though, I really enjoyed a series by Terry Goodkind, Wizards First Rule. Pretty awesome.

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(09-12-2013 01:15 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  There much booze, fighting and fucking in Harry Potter?

If not, probably not my cup of tea.

Thanks though.

If you want grit and violence, try Dennis Lehane.

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If you don't care about flowery descriptions, literary merit, story buildup and you've already watched the Game of Thrones TV series you might be bored if you start from book 1, as the suspense is pretty much gone and the books' pace are slower. However if you jump right in the middle of book 3 where the show left off you'll have to do a lot of filling in the blanks yourself as season 2 and season 3 have a few important differences from the books. Plus, a lot of the fun in ASOIF is trying to solve the mysteries yourself given the clues from the different character's point of view. Eg. you can pretty much have an educated guess who Jon's mother is if you piece the clues together across the whole series.

Another good fantasy book is Eragon.

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Hey I might get a little flak from the more serious readers for this, but the book has tight classic storytelling which sticks to the tried and tested formula, and comes with a little gore and drunken violence although it's written for a more teenage audience. No doggystyle banging though.
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I'm not a big fiction reader but if you want to read a decent fiction book that's an easy read I suggest The Outsiders by SE Hinton. Its one of the first books I ever read that wasn't forced on me at school and I've probably read it five times since, an American classic. I'm also a big fan of Irvine Welsh (author of Trainspotting) and have read all of his books, the'ye kinda hard to digest as they written in the Scottish dialect.

For you Game of Thrones fans, I've avoided the books as I'm not usually a big fan of fantasy style writing but have heard they're loosley based on historical events. I recently read a couple of Ken Follett books, 2/3s of the Century Trilogy and I really liked them, is Game of Thrones somewhat similar?

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My recommendations based on books that I read:
1. Count of Monte Cristo. It is probably the most alpha book ever written.
2. The Collection of Sherlock Holmes. Holmes is a badass.
3. 1984. This book changed my outlooked on life.
4. In Cold Blood. It is not really a fiction book since the events are the real. However, the prose of the book reads as that of a novel.
5. Dracula. This book was quite awesome.
6. The Greek Myths.
7. The Maltese Falcon. Sam Spade is a total alpha in the book.

Recommendations on books that I haven't read:
1. The James Bond novels by Ian Flemming
2. Catch 22
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The Lord of the Rings must stand as a literary masterpiece on its own - the quality of English is supreme - Tolkien was a philologist of Oxford. He knew languages - even Elvish is a hugely creative work in its own right. Middle Earth is so rich in detail and so compelling you'd have to be an imp to not be amazed.

Fantasy/Sci-Fi:

Michael Scott Rohan: The Anvil Of Ice... In the Northlands, beleaguered by the ever-encroaching Ice and the marauding Ekwesh, a young cowherd, Alv, saved from the raiders by the mysterious Mastersmith, discovers in himself an uncanny power to shape metal - but it is a power that may easily be turned to evil ends, and on a dreadful night Alv flees the Mastersmith, and embarks on the quest to find both his own destiny, and a weapon that will let him stand against the Power of the Ice.

Poul Anderson: War of the Gods is the story of the great King Hadding is one of the darkest and most violent to come down to us from the old North. Hadding was raised by giants far from his rightful throng, as his father, a Danish King, was slain shortly after Hadding's birth. But the times comes when Hadding feels he must reclaim his legitimate place in the land of the old North. He must endure ferocious battles, the charms of voluptuous Valkyries, and a War of the Gods to rival Armageddon.

George Stewart: Earth Abides starts where a disease of unparalleled destructive force has sprung up almost simultaneously in every corner of the globe, all but destroying the human race. One survivor, strangely immune to the effects of the epidemic, ventures forward to experience a world without man. What he ultimately discovers will prove far more astonishing than anything he'd either dreaded or hoped for.

Harry Turtledove: The Great War, American Front begins when the Great War engulfed Europe in 1914, the United States and the Confederate States of America, bitter enemies for five decades, entered the fray on opposite sides: the United States aligned with the newly strong Germany, while the Confederacy joined forces with their longtime allies, Britain and France. But it soon became clear to both sides that this fight would be different--that war itself would never be the same again

Peter Hamilton: Space is not the only void...

In AD 2600 the human race is finally beginning to realize its full potential. Hundreds of colonized planets scattered across the galaxy host a multitude of prosperous and wildly diverse cultures. Genetic engineering has pushed evolution far beyond nature's boundaries, defeating disease and producing extraordinary spaceborn creatures. Huge fleets of sentient trader starships thrive on the wealth created by the industrialization of entire star systems. And throughout inhabited space the Confederation Navy keeps the peace. A true golden age is within our grasp.

But now something has gone catastrophically wrong. On a primitive colony planet a renegade criminal's chance encounter with an utterly alien entity unleashes the most primal of all our fears. An extinct race which inhabited the galaxy aeons ago called it "The Reality Dysfunction." It is the nightmare which has prowled beside us since the beginning of history.

Reality Dysfunction is a modern classic of science fiction, an extraordinary feat of storytelling on a truly epic scale.

Historical Fiction:
Karl Marlantes: Matterhorn is a great novel. There have been some very good novels about the Vietnam War, but this is the first great one, and I doubt it will ever be surpassed. Karl Marlantes overlooks no part of the experience, large or small, from a terrified soldier pondering the nature of good and evil, to the feel and smell of wet earth against scorched skin as a man tries to press himself into the ground to escape withering fire. Here is story-telling so authentic, so moving and so intense, so relentlessly dramatic, that there were times I wasn’t sure I could stand to turn the page. As with the best fiction, I was sad to reach the end.

Robert Horgan: A Distant Trumpet is a magnificently sweeping tale of the American West in the aftermath of the Civil War that is heroic in scale, rich in dramatic action, and filled with brilliant characterizations. Horgan's three-dimensional pageant of the daring and dangerous frontier life has been termed "the finest historical novel in American literature" (Gorham Munson) and "the finest novel yet on the Southwest

Robert Elegant: Manchu transports the reader back to the savagery and the passion, to the opulence and sensuality, and to the great adventure of the last days of a dying dynasty.

Nigel Tranter: The Young Montrose tells the fascinating yet desperate story of a gallant nobleman from the initial snub he received from Charles I, the monarch he is to devote his life to serving. A brilliant leader, a renowned strategist, a talented moderate in a bigoted age: James Graham, the Marquis of Montrose, is a man of great charm and steadfast loyalty. Reluctantly involved in in national affairs, his most hated enemy is Archibald Campbell, Marquis of Argyll. It seems that nothing can stand in the way of Montrose's triumph. 'Through his imaginative dialogue, he provides a voice for Scotland's heroes.

Alexander Dumas: The Three Musketeers is a perennial favorite, this work continues to hold appeal for adventure lovers. Full of intrigue, swordplay, and revenge, it is the story of d'Artagnan, a young nobleman who travels to Paris in hopes of joining the Musketeers, a group of swashbuckling adventurers who serve King Louis XIII. His wit and fighting ability make d'Artagnan a welcome addition to their ranks, and together the four young men work to foil the King's evil rival, Cardinal Richelieu. Despite the period setting and constant violence, the story captures and sustains the listener's interest as the Musketeers vanquish the villains. Michael York reads superbly, his rich baritone voice giving each role convincing clarity. The audio format is particularly suited to the tale. The production quality is excellent. Recommended for general collections.

David Howarth (intro by Stephen Ambrose): If We Die Alone, a story of espionage and survival were a novel, readers might dismiss the Shackleton-like exploits of its hero as too fantastic to be taken seriously. But respected historian David Howarth confirmed the details of Jan Baalsrud's riveting tale. It begins in the spring of 1943, with Norway occupied by the Nazis and the Allies desperate to open the northern sea lanes to Russia. Baalsrud and three compatriots plan to smuggle themselves into their homeland by boat, spend the summer recruiting and training resistance fighters, and launch a surprise attack on a German air base. But he's betrayed shortly after landfall, and a quick fight leaves Baalsrud alone and trapped on a freezing island above the Arctic Circle. He's poorly clothed (one foot is entirely bare), has a head start of only a few hundred yards on his Nazi pursuers, and leaves a trail of blood as he crosses the snow. How he avoids capture and ultimately escapes--revealing that much spoils nothing in this white-knuckle narrative--is astonishing stuff. Baalsrud's feats make the travails in Jon Krakauer's Mt. Everest classic Into Thin Air look like child's play. In an introduction, Stephen Ambrose calls We Die Alone a rare reading experience: "a book that I absolutely cannot put down until I've finished it and one that I can never forget." This amazing book will disappoint no one.

Mikhail Bulgakov: The Master and Margarita This uncensored translation of Bulgakov's posthumously published masterpiece of black magic and black humor restores its sliest digs and sharpest jabs at Stalin's regime, which suppressed it. Writing in a punning, soaring prose thick with contemporary historical references and political irony, Bulgakov (1891-1940) did not make things easy for future translators. The story itself is demanding: the arrival of the Devil and his entourage in Stalin's Moscow frames a Faustian tale of a suppressed writer (the Master) and his devoted lover (his Margarita), set against a realistic narrative: the Master's rejected manuscript of Pontius Pilate's police state in Jerusalem. An immediate contemporary classic when it was first serialized in Moscow in censored form in 1967-68, the novel suffered in its previous English translations, which were either incomplete or stylistically loose. This new translation, with its accuracy and depth, finally does justice to the politically and verbally outrageous qualities of the original. Careful footnotes explain and contextualize Bulgakov's dense allusions to, and in-jokes about, life under Stalin.

Bernard Cornwell: It takes a remarkable writer to make an old story as fresh and compelling as the first time we heard it. With The Winter King, the first volume of his magnificent Warlord Chronicles, Bernard Cornwell finally turns to the story he was born to write: the mythic saga of King Arthur.

The tale begins in Dark Age Britain, a land where Arthur has been banished and Merlin has disappeared, where a child-king sits unprotected on the throne, where religion vies with magic for the souls of the people. It is to this desperate land that Arthur returns, a man at once utterly human and truly heroic: a man of honor, loyalty, and amazing valor; a man who loves Guinevere more passionately than he should; a man whose life is at once tragic and triumphant.

As Arthur fights to keep a flicker of civilization alive in a barbaric world, Bernard Cornwell makes a familiar tale into a legend all over again.





Just to name a few I really enjoyed reading!

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RE: First Fiction Book I Should Read? Game of Thrones? The Dark Tower?
Malazan book of the fallen is my favorite when it comes to fantasy these days. You should also read the first 5 books of Dune if you want scifi.
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