Post: #1

I'm in desperate need of some help. Rather, my older married brother is. I've been reading manosphere blogs for a while and have a strong understanding of hypergamy and the dangers of marriage. My brother however is all in on blue pill married and family life and as of last night I'm afraid he is about to be taken to the cleaners and lose everything. This is long but if there's any chance to save him it's right now so I beg you for help. I'm too angry to think clearly.

He's in his mid-thirties, spent the last decade working his tail off to become quite successful in his career, and has an expensive mortgage, new vehicles, three young children and a wife (who is starting to hit the wall). Now she's threatening to take it all away and we all know why.

They met when he was 19 and she was freshly 18. They dated for a little while, then he found out she cheated on him. She "just went skinny dipping" with a "friend" she met on spring break and (and lied about knowing him earlier) and he "only kissed her a little bit." That wasn't the only suspicious incident. He retaliated by giving in to an ex that threw herself at him a week later. They eventually got back together and she absolves herself of responsibility for her actions, but has never let him live down what he did with the ex even though it was a one time thing.

After getting back together they had an accident and had their first daughter in 2001. They decided to try to make it work and moved in together and eventually got married. Fast forward to now and they are living the "American Dream." He has a solid job as an engineer, she works weekends and nights as a nurse, and they make enough money to have a pretty nice house in a very nice town. Their oldest kid is 12 and they now also have a 3 year old daughter and 1 year old son. He got a vasectomy after having the third kid. She works odd hours and is frankly a lazy bitch, so he spends all of his waking hours when he's not at work taking care of the kids. He spent the last several years completely remodeling their home by himself, making dinner every night, and running the oldest to her various school activities.

Our family has always hated the wife. Wife was always extremely controlling, emotionally abusive, manipulative, and had him whipped from day one. She always had a convenient excuse for why he can't spend time with his family and almost never let him go to any events we had as a family but he was expected to be at all of hers for her family. Her sisters and parents were invited to every single birthday party, recital, etc but she would forbid his side of the family from coming. He was a pussy whipped bitch about it and caved in most times. This was all through her 20s. Now he's 34 and she's 33. You know what happens next.

He called me last night, sounding extremely upset, asking for a place to crash. Apparently she had been digging in his stuff and found out about a second email he hadn't told her about. She somehow got in to the account and pandora's box was open - she's already threatening divorce and says that she doesn't think she loves him anymore (despite the fact to his knowledge, they have been having zero other domestic issues). Apparently for the last few years, from time to time my brother was messaging some women he met online. A little dirty talk, a few scandalous pictures exchanged, but he never so much as got a phone number and definitely never met up with any of them. I believe them, because she and the kids have had him so busy he wouldn't have time, I'm his brother and he'd have no reason to lie to me about it, and honestly I did the same thing when I was dating a fattie back in my beta blue pill days. I never intended to meet up with any of the girls, it was more of an ego boost thing that actually helped make sure I didn't cheat for real - he related quickly to that sentiment.

If I went to any mainstream advice site they would say he is a pervert and shitty father who deserves whatever is coming to him from our "justice" system. I think that's bullshit. His kids are everything to him. He's been everything to them. He's turned his entire life over to that succubus woman and the children. This was a late night escape for a man who was all in on what society sold to him as ideal life, that wasn't quite fulfilling him for a reason he can't understand. They got together at 19 and 18. They're now 34 and 33. For 15 years he's been her lapdog, but it's always been about the children for him.

Last night he got teared up every time he brought up the kids and what his actions will do to them. He will do anything to make sure any damage to them is minimal. Meanwhile, she screamed at him while they were in the next room, and didn't spare any details. She's apparently been taking screenshots of his emails and has already sent them to her mother and sisters (divorce court ammo?). The most fucked up part is she keep threatening to show them TO THEIR TWELVE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER TO TURN HER AGAINST HIM. In a moment of anger last night, he said something like "I'm always the one always there for the kids while she's napping or bitching at me, I'm a far better father than she is a mother." He immediately felt bad and took it back, but I know damn well it's true.

It was stupid for him to do that, I admit. I don't condone doing that when you're married with children. But if I was dating that soul sucking succubus of a woman I probably would have done more than send a few dirty pictures to women. She doesn't care about what's good for the children. She doesn't care that he means it when he says he will never do anything like that again and that it doesn't mean her loves her of the family any less. She has him convinced he is a terrible person and father. She says he needs to start looking for other places to live. The children will be lost because he is the one who wakes them up, brings them to school, often picks them up from school, cooks them dinner, tucks them in, and starts over the next day. He asked her what she was going to tell the kids when he wasn't there in the morning. She told him her family would be there for them like he never could.

He's about to have his life completely fucking fall to ruin. Those screenshots will murder him in divorce court. Her family is already against him. She doesn't care about the kids, but I guarantee she will fight for custody and win with those emails. That's child support on three kids, she'll get the expensive ass house that he just spent all his free time remodeling. He makes pretty decent money. He's fucked. The kids that he's done so well raising so far will end up fucked up because I guarantee she will hold him out of their lives as much as she can.

So what the hell can I do? I'm shaking with anger after writing all of that. I know red pill concepts and hypergamy, but he will not be receptive to what his 25 year old unmarried brother has to say about concepts that are opposite of what his entire life has conditioned him to believe. I said what I could last night, but he'll be back tonight after talking to her again and telling the kids he will be away for a few nights. Is there any advice I can give him? He still has hope that he can make everything work out for the sake of the family. He's only thinking about the family. She's only thinking about herself.

If you actually read all of that, thank you. I've read too many horror stories that started out just like this. I want to do whatever I can to at the very least minimize the damage. He shouldn't have done what he did, that was definitely stupid, but he doesn't deserve to have his entire life torn away from him over it. Any advice you have is greatly appreciated.

Post: #2

(09-09-2013 02:05 PM)Silverback Monk Wrote:  I'm in desperate need of some help. Rather, my older married brother is. I've been reading manosphere blogs for a while and have a strong understanding of hypergamy and the dangers of marriage. My brother however is all in on blue pill married and family life and as of last night I'm afraid he is about to be taken to the cleaners and lose everything. This is long but if there's any chance to save him it's right now so I beg you for help. I'm too angry to think clearly.

He's in his mid-thirties, spent the last decade working his tail off to become quite successful in his career, and has an expensive mortgage, new vehicles, three young children and a wife (who is starting to hit the wall). Now she's threatening to take it all away and we all know why.

They met when he was 19 and she was freshly 18. They dated for a little while, then he found out she cheated on him. She "just went skinny dipping" with a "friend" she met on spring break and (and lied about knowing him earlier) and he "only kissed her a little bit." That wasn't the only suspicious incident. He retaliated by giving in to an ex that threw herself at him a week later. They eventually got back together and she absolves herself of responsibility for her actions, but has never let him live down what he did with the ex even though it was a one time thing.

After getting back together they had an accident and had their first daughter in 2001. They decided to try to make it work and moved in together and eventually got married. Fast forward to now and they are living the "American Dream." He has a solid job as an engineer, she works weekends and nights as a nurse, and they make enough money to have a pretty nice house in a very nice town. Their oldest kid is 12 and they now also have a 3 year old daughter and 1 year old son. He got a vasectomy after having the third kid. She works odd hours and is frankly a lazy bitch, so he spends all of his waking hours when he's not at work taking care of the kids. He spent the last several years completely remodeling their home by himself, making dinner every night, and running the oldest to her various school activities.

Our family has always hated the wife. Wife was always extremely controlling, emotionally abusive, manipulative, and had him whipped from day one. She always had a convenient excuse for why he can't spend time with his family and almost never let him go to any events we had as a family but he was expected to be at all of hers for her family. Her sisters and parents were invited to every single birthday party, recital, etc but she would forbid his side of the family from coming. He was a pussy whipped bitch about it and caved in most times. This was all through her 20s. Now he's 34 and she's 33. You know what happens next.

He called me last night, sounding extremely upset, asking for a place to crash. Apparently she had been digging in his stuff and found out about a second email he hadn't told her about. She somehow got in to the account and pandora's box was open - she's already threatening divorce and says that she doesn't think she loves him anymore (despite the fact to his knowledge, they have been having zero other domestic issues). Apparently for the last few years, from time to time my brother was messaging some women he met online. A little dirty talk, a few scandalous pictures exchanged, but he never so much as got a phone number and definitely never met up with any of them. I believe them, because she and the kids have had him so busy he wouldn't have time, I'm his brother and he'd have no reason to lie to me about it, and honestly I did the same thing when I was dating a fattie back in my beta blue pill days. I never intended to meet up with any of the girls, it was more of an ego boost thing that actually helped make sure I didn't cheat for real - he related quickly to that sentiment.

If I went to any mainstream advice site they would say he is a pervert and shitty father who deserves whatever is coming to him from our "justice" system. I think that's bullshit. His kids are everything to him. He's been everything to them. He's turned his entire life over to that succubus woman and the children. This was a late night escape for a man who was all in on what society sold to him as ideal life, that wasn't quite fulfilling him for a reason he can't understand. They got together at 19 and 18. They're now 34 and 33. For 15 years he's been her lapdog, but it's always been about the children for him.

Last night he got teared up every time he brought up the kids and what his actions will do to them. He will do anything to make sure any damage to them is minimal. Meanwhile, she screamed at him while they were in the next room, and didn't spare any details. She's apparently been taking screenshots of his emails and has already sent them to her mother and sisters (divorce court ammo?). The most fucked up part is she keep threatening to show them TO THEIR TWELVE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER TO TURN HER AGAINST HIM. In a moment of anger last night, he said something like "I'm always the one always there for the kids while she's napping or bitching at me, I'm a far better father than she is a mother." He immediately felt bad and took it back, but I know damn well it's true.

It was stupid for him to do that, I admit. I don't condone doing that when you're married with children. But if I was dating that soul sucking succubus of a woman I probably would have done more than send a few dirty pictures to women. She doesn't care about what's good for the children. She doesn't care that he means it when he says he will never do anything like that again and that it doesn't mean her loves her of the family any less. She has him convinced he is a terrible person and father. She says he needs to start looking for other places to live. The children will be lost because he is the one who wakes them up, brings them to school, often picks them up from school, cooks them dinner, tucks them in, and starts over the next day. He asked her what she was going to tell the kids when he wasn't there in the morning. She told him her family would be there for them like he never could.

He's about to have his life completely fucking fall to ruin. Those screenshots will murder him in divorce court. Her family is already against him. She doesn't care about the kids, but I guarantee she will fight for custody and win with those emails. That's child support on three kids, she'll get the expensive ass house that he just spent all his free time remodeling. He makes pretty decent money. He's fucked. The kids that he's done so well raising so far will end up fucked up because I guarantee she will hold him out of their lives as much as she can.

So what the hell can I do? I'm shaking with anger after writing all of that. I know red pill concepts and hypergamy, but he will not be receptive to what his 25 year old unmarried brother has to say about concepts that are opposite of what his entire life has conditioned him to believe. I said what I could last night, but he'll be back tonight after talking to her again and telling the kids he will be away for a few nights. Is there any advice I can give him? He still has hope that he can make everything work out for the sake of the family. He's only thinking about the family. She's only thinking about herself.

If you actually read all of that, thank you. I've read too many horror stories that started out just like this. I want to do whatever I can to at the very least minimize the damage. He shouldn't have done what he did, that was definitely stupid, but he doesn't deserve to have his entire life torn away from him over it. Any advice you have is greatly appreciated.

He needs to get an attorney. Probably a good idea to try to hide any assets he might have, either an offshore bank account or precious metals that will hold their value

A pity he never got her to sign a pre nup. And yes, he will get hosed in court, will lose his house and kids.

Post: #3

Tell him to get the best, toughest divorce lawyer he can and fight for whatever he can salvage

Even so- he's pretty much fucked financially and with his kids for a long time.

Maybe this will change his views on women, marriage, and living his life based on societal expectations or may be it won't. You can try sending him links to some manosphere sites. Some guys go red pill after a divorce while others never change and will jump right back into marriage

Post: #4

The following is speculation and not to be considered evidence or a professional opinion. This is for entertainment only.
In particular the following is not suitable for use in any legal matter.

FIRST brother needs to get a divorce lawyer. Hiding assets can be very dangerous looking to the courts. It seems to my amateur eye too late for that.

I'm someone who works in mental health and has watched mothers try to turn kids against fathers to get custody and the resulting child support money. They would bring the kids in, and try to get an evaluation where I would talk to the kid and be convinced by them so my report would say that their father had messed the kids up.

With any luck, divorce courts are wary of these kinds of bullshit claims. Typically (in California anyway) in a hostile custody battle mental health evaluations are done on each parent by professionals who are generally highly qualified. They are alert and practiced at sensing attempts to by one parent to vilify the other.

They also talk extensively with the kids, I think WITHOUT THE PARENTS THERE TO COACH, and if he has been an attentive caregiver as far as I know they are not definitely likely to give her full custody as if he is a villain.

If she is as bitchy as you argue ( which of course she probably is not) and he is as affectionate and involved in their care as he says and there is a good evaluation done there is a reasonable chance there will be an equiatable property split and child support. OF course if he spent a lot of time working on the house I don't know how he can put a value on that and get it worked into the deal, most of the time when you shine something up, be it a car or a house you never get the money back you put in; you have to consider it a pastime that you did.

I think it's important to differentiate his personal communications with women from any custodial "unfitness" that might be claimed by his wife in a divorce. Her digging through his email as well as sending the info/pictures to other family members fails the "smell test" as well; if I was a clinician involved I would wonder about her vindictiveness, especially if that was combined with other negatives like signs of her coaching the kids to put down the dad, and her bad-mouthing the guy.

The good thing about self-righteous, vicious people is they come out with their hate proudly, unaware that mental health people see that as poison to kids. She may dig her own grave during the evaluation.

He should document her claims of sending the info to family, her threatening to discuss his sexual fantasies with her daughter as these could be looked at as familial boundary violations.

Write down dates and times and specific exact quotes from what was said. Even though there may be no corroboration, the fact you have it written down -- if the other person doesn't have something ELSE written down conflicting with what you said-- it may be considered.

Remember (but don't mention in court) when a woman has an affair and a marriage breaks up, unless she abandoned the kids for weeks putting them at risk, that alone--without substance abuse or something else--is not considered a "mental illness" making her unfit to have custody.

I can't get involved in any case like this, there are specific educational and experience requirements for child custody evaluators which I have not pursued because it is so fraught with hysterical complaints and even threats by dissatisfied parents against the evaluators. Of course everyone in an angry divorce thinks if they don't get full custody the evaluator is an incompetent, so it is probably the mental health area with the most hostile clients of all.

Post: #5

Iknowexactly has excellent speculative advice above. The only extent to which your character matters in divorce is as it relates to your ability to parent.

If I could go back in time and do it all over again myself I would have said from day 1 'treat it like you're in court now'. Flip that switch to on and get someone else to represent you, keep your mouth shut and act as if your proceedings have already started.

For me that would mean saving calling her crazy or apologizing for talking to girls on the internet until after papers were signed. I would have parented as per usual and not left until ordered to do so by a 3rd party.

Post: #6

would a pre nup even help here ? She was with him before he had anything

Post: #7

Lawyer. Now.

Everything else is anecdotal.

Post: #8

Tell him to check out this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Splitting-Protecti...=splitting

Post: #9

ADVICE:

1. Tell you brother to go and file the diviorce: FIRST! NOW!

there is nothing to salvage here. All he is right now is a wallet. He obviously not getting any sex from her either. This marriage is over and has been for a long time. It cannot be fixed.
-ps: there are decent odds that 1 of the 3 kids may not be his (do DNA)


2. Suck it up and simply prepare for the next stage of his life. He was a simp from the very beginning and simply has to pay the price......


every day that passes, he is more obligated to her financially.... Cut the cancer now.

3. Teach him and introduce him to the manosphere.

Post: #10

What Kdolo said,

Get divorced AND accept reality.

He's gonna get raped with child and spouse support, in addition to losing most of his assets.

If he, or you, got some cash laying around.....take a trip to thailand, he needs to detox himself from the blue/marriage pill.


One of my friends was going nuts about his divorce...he was talking crazy stuff, but he found religion. Now he's a calm dude, still beta...but at least he's not thinking about crazy stuff anymore.

Post: #11

Is it too late for him to go alpha here? "Yeah, that's right -- I'm sleeping with all the neighborhood and all your friends too. Do you want my divorce lawyer's number? Christ, you're ridiculous."

I don't know, I'm just asking. But I'll note that he got in this mess by being a slave to convention, and all of this advice is to stay on the simp train.

Post: #12

That's what I have been wondering, on the off chance I can say or show him something that would convince him that would work. I'll still be advising him to get a lawyer as soon as he can.

Post: #13

Document every interaction. Have him hidden tape record any interaction with her in person and over the phone.

His talking to women online should not affect his child visitation. So tell him to relax he will still get visitation and if he gets divorced in a no fault state his talking to women online shouldnt even matter at all.

Your brother is going to have to pay child support but unless he is located in one of those 10 years of marriage = life time alimony he should be able to end his payments to his soon to be ex once his oldest is 18.

Post: #14

(09-09-2013 08:49 PM)bacon Wrote:  Document every interaction. Have him hidden tape record any interaction with her in person and over the phone.

I'm not a lawyer but if I remember correctly, secret recordings are inadmissible in court due to one/two party consent laws. Again, it varies by the situation and state. She could blackmail him into giving her more stuff so she won't press charges for secretly recording her.


My "friend" secretly recorded his ex and handed the recording to his lawyer. When she started making (false) accusations his lawyer played the recordings. The woman's lawyer told her to stfu and back off from making false statements.

Post: #15

(09-09-2013 05:22 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  If he, or you, got some cash laying around.....take a trip to thailand, he needs to detox himself from the blue/marriage pill.

I've been giving this advice indirectly for years around the "camp fire". Every thirsty simp needs to keep $10K tucked away from the wife. When the shit hits the fan they bail to SEA or similar and fuck away their troubles for 3 months.

Most guys don't think about it, but lots of coworkers in the ME did. They made it that far, then pushed a little farther to the Phils and won't look back.

Post: #16

(09-09-2013 08:43 PM)Silverback Monk Wrote:  That's what I have been wondering, on the off chance I can say or show him something that would convince him that would work. I'll still be advising him to get a lawyer as soon as he can.

No. Its too far gone.

The Wife has been planning this for a while. Probably has cheated as well.


The best thing for him too do is to try and accept reality. Its Over and now is time to cover his ass.

This is no time to be romantic.

Post: #17

I call troll here and female troll at that.

This is the third of new board member Silverback Monk's implausible posts and/or comments.

In this comment, (s)he told this tall tale about gaming a married woman in a bar whose husband was sitting there the whole time while she flirted and badmouthed her marriage. This sounds more like an urban legend than an RVF comment.

Then there was this post, "Is It Worth the Effort?" Starts with the word "So," which is a female tell. I'll leave it to the moderators to judge whether the subject matter of that post was designed to waste everyone's time.

Also, the length of this post we're commenting on now screams "female writer" to me. So do a few key phrases, specifically "This is long but if there's any chance to save him it's right now so I beg you for help," "They met when he was 19 and she was freshly 18," and "working his tail off." Men do not use these phrases when they write, but they sound an awful lot like Jezebel.

If I'm wrong, I apologize, but beyond all of what I wrote, most guys here don't start out coming on like gangbusters with overlong and out-there posts. Most ease in.

Post: #18

He's on his way over after a long talk with the current wife, appreciate everyone's input.

To Days of Broken Arrows - I'm overly polite and I didn't want to use "fuck" every other word. I am trying to overcome that. I joined these forums to work on my game skills. I kind of feel like shit about the married girl post, which happened about 24 hours before I got this news. I've always been too nice and it's stopped me from getting women. Also something I'm working on.

This was a weird fucking weekend for me. I am very worried for my brother and was hoping some guys out there might have some advice to avert the coming disaster. Sounds like not. But I thought this was a forum where men could seek advice for other men about their life's troubles? That's all I've been trying to do.

Post: #19

Do most of you guys feel sympathy for this dude? Or am I the only sick fuck here who gets a kick out of these stories and has zero sympathy for the simps involved?

One of my friends is following a very similar course, and I eat that shit up like a day time soap opera. That's fucked up, right?

Post: #20

(09-09-2013 11:41 PM)Silverback Monk Wrote:  He's on his way over after a long talk with the current wife, appreciate everyone's input.

To Days of Broken Arrows - I'm overly polite and I didn't want to use "fuck" every other word. I am trying to overcome that. I joined these forums to work on my game skills. I kind of feel like shit about the married girl post, which happened about 24 hours before I got this news. I've always been too nice and it's stopped me from getting women. Also something I'm working on.

This was a weird fucking weekend for me. I am very worried for my brother and was hoping some guys out there might have some advice to avert the coming disaster. Sounds like not. But I thought this was a forum where men could seek advice for other men about their life's troubles? That's all I've been trying to do.

Now you sound even more like a girl. 2 paragraph answer trying to justify that you're not a troll, while at no point addressing DoBA's points?

And you attack strawmen. No one said you don't swear enough. No one has said you're too nice. And you end off with trying to guilt trip people. If you're not female, you're thinking like one.

Post: #21

Guys,
Let's give this person the benefit of the doubt. There are way too many blue pills/betas/soft and nice guys out there that are being trapped by the femicunts not only without impunity but worst of all, backed by the gubmint. It's a scary world out there!

The only advice I'd give Silverback your bro is to get the very best/ruthless divorce lawyer in town he can afford. I'd go even as far as suggesting to get a red pill male lawyer! And make sure you make it very clear to him that he cannot afford to cheap out on that! A few G's here and there can be the difference between him being losing some to losing it all and ending up in jail if he can't make the child support.

Also, as mentioned before, have him record and document everything, even tape all their interactions in case she makes any wrong accusations. Even if taping someone without their consent is not allowed, it will at least save his ass with her false accusations and you can bet your last dollar that the bitch will do that!

Also, is your brother employed or self employed? Is the divorce imminent or more like a few months away? If the latter, then look into flying to Hong Kong where he would incorporate his business and transfer his assets/money there. Incorporating in HKG is a very smart and wise move and can done relatively cheaply for under 1K with a great company called jumpstartoffices.com Everyone that I know with a biz has used them with great satisfaction.

I wish you and your bro all the best! Good luck!

Post: #22

(09-10-2013 01:09 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Do most of you guys feel sympathy for this dude? Or am I the only sick fuck here who gets a kick out of these stories and has zero sympathy for the simps involved?

One of my friends is following a very similar course, and I eat that shit up like a day time soap opera. That's fucked up, right?

Some of us just want to watch the world burn.

These stories are gold to us, if someone is having a crappy day...we're having a good day.

Now you got me in the mood to tell a story of a woman who lost her car/job, sanity, and put her daughter on the line so she could spend time with some guy 2 countries away.....but I'm wondering if I should do so....the story is still developing as we speak. She's a wreck to the point I won't speak to her but watching her ruin her life is just too good to pass up.

For the record, I'm going to troll the guy by sending him pictures of me with his girlfriend...he's so far away, can't afford to see her...only 2 weeks per year and he'll see I'm enjoying her.

Post: #23

(09-10-2013 01:09 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Do most of you guys feel sympathy for this dude? Or am I the only sick fuck here who gets a kick out of these stories and has zero sympathy for the simps involved?

One of my friends is following a very similar course, and I eat that shit up like a day time soap opera. That's fucked up, right?

I feel sympathy for the kids. Not only do they need to deal with crazy parents, they are going to be used as pawns. Fucked up situation and the parents don't seem to care about anything besides themselves.

Post: #24

I don't think silverback is a troll.

Tell your brother that unless he does everything in his power to make a case for custody, he's going to lose the kids. Tell your brother to stop talking to his wife as much as possible. No texts, no phone calls, just one word answers if he has to.

Get a fucking lawyer, ASAP.

Other than that, his 1-year old son will probably be a likely reader of the manosphere, because he's going to be raised by a single mom.

The manosphere just keeps growing and growing... all we have to do is let the system continue to destroy men and boys.

Post: #25

(09-10-2013 01:09 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Do most of you guys feel sympathy for this dude? Or am I the only sick fuck here who gets a kick out of these stories and has zero sympathy for the simps involved?

One of my friends is following a very similar course, and I eat that shit up like a day time soap opera. That's fucked up, right?

If the sotry is true, they guy got married 14 years ago.

Married in 2010+ and then divorced, maybe not.

In 1999, I'm much more prone to forgive. They guy followed what he said was the good life, and then systematically gets thrown to the wolves because women have hurt feelings.

Aurini said this best, testosterone and manhood isn't just about competition and winner takes all.

testosterone fosters collaboration and team work, it is why two guys can sit together, watch a game of football, say nothing and feel bonded at the end.

We hunted, we accomplished in a pack.

The world is a better place...we don't live in trees... because men were there for each other.

This brother is going to get screwed, the best advice afterwards is to feed him a red pill and back the best of what he has left.

No need to hate, no need for schadenfreude, it doesn't make any man a winner.