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WTF is this bullshit? One of the females on my facebook posted this garbage. I thought it was a joke. I get why actors in film might wear make up but the everyday man? SHIT this is some straight up bullshit. No real man would let his son play in fucking makeup!

This is some bitch made shit.

I got attacked for calling this nonsense out.

Don't let this be your son!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs7H6w-8hWE

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The second I heard the guy's voice he was discredited as an expert on being "Masculine."

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To be perfectly honest, I don't really care if this guy wants to wear makeup. What gets me is that because he does it, feminists will say why don't all men? They'll then conclude it must be because of hegemonic masculinity and patriarchal norms. Guys like this only annoy me because they open the door to feminist accusations that the rest of us are insecure.

The same type of accusations Schwyzer used to make back when he was the paragon of secure and healthy masculinity.

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(08-15-2013 02:19 AM)Wadsworth Wrote:  To be perfectly honest, I don't really care if this guy wants to wear makeup. What gets me is that because he does it, feminists will say why don't all men? They'll then conclude it must be because of hegemonic masculinity and patriarchal norms. Guys like this only annoy me because they open the door to feminist accusations that the rest of us are insecure.

The same type of accusations Schwyzer used to make back when he was the paragon of secure and healthy masculinity.

I'd be more inclined to try something like this (or Rogaine) than makeup... ever.





When it's time I'd rather just shave it all off though for good.

Funny comment:

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Marco Lau 5 months ago
Can you look like Chewbacca if you apply it everywhere?

Caboki 5 months ago
no.

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Here are a couple examples of makeup game:

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a lot of guys could actually use a moderate amount of makeup to cover things like acne and blemishes.

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Plenty of alpha rock stars wore (and wear) makeup. Did that somehow diminish their masculinity? Ancient Egyptian men wore makeup from princes to everyday commoners. It is just a social custom (aka expectation) for men to wear or not wear it.

If anything a guy is more alpha if he wears it with confidence despite modern society saying he should not.

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(08-15-2013 12:48 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  Plenty of alpha rock stars wore (and wear) makeup. Did that somehow diminish their masculinity? Ancient Egyptian men wore makeup from princes to everyday commoners. It is just a social custom (aka expectation) for men to wear or not wear it.

If anything a guy is more alpha if he wears it with confidence despite modern society saying he should not.

It was a social custom for Greek men to engage in pederasty. Would you make a case for how alpha that is too?

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(08-15-2013 01:17 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 12:48 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  Plenty of alpha rock stars wore (and wear) makeup. Did that somehow diminish their masculinity? Ancient Egyptian men wore makeup from princes to everyday commoners. It is just a social custom (aka expectation) for men to wear or not wear it.

If anything a guy is more alpha if he wears it with confidence despite modern society saying he should not.

It was a social custom for Greek men to engage in pederasty. Would you make a case for how alpha that is too?

I'll say it, I put on a light application of foundation once on my face once when I was with a bunch of girls.

Literally made me look a lot more attractive. My face looked like it had baby smooth skin.

Other than that, no need for any make up.

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(08-15-2013 01:17 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 12:48 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  Plenty of alpha rock stars wore (and wear) makeup. Did that somehow diminish their masculinity? Ancient Egyptian men wore makeup from princes to everyday commoners. It is just a social custom (aka expectation) for men to wear or not wear it.

If anything a guy is more alpha if he wears it with confidence despite modern society saying he should not.

It was a social custom for Greek men to engage in pederasty. Would you make a case for how alpha that is too?

My point is "social customs" can place weights on our freedom and masculinity. Not that makeup is good or bad, but the attitude underlying it.

If wearing makeup is a) consistent with your personality/look or b) consistent with your image, I see no reason why it should be considered "less masculine" if you wore it. If you wear it in spite of society telling not to do so (and still getting pussy) that would probably make you "more masculine" not less.

Terribly analogy by the way.

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Honestly, I thought the video was going to be about a parent putting makeup on a young boy or something along those lines.

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Some masculine examples of makeup:


-War paint (various native tribes to modern military applying camouflage paint)

-Corpse paint (various extreme metal bands that scream/growl about general masculine topics like killing, war, esoteric studies, satanism etc...)

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Quote:My point is "social customs" can place weights on our freedom and masculinity. Not that makeup is good or bad, but the attitude underlying it.

Freedom and masculinity do not go hand in hand, at least not in the sense you describe. Freedom for men means the freedom to BE men. Masculine men, without shame. Men should be shamed fror being feminine and metrosexual, not shamed for being masculine. Masculinity, at least by my definition, depends on discipline, not freedom to wear makeup. If anything, I'd say there's such thing as too much freedom. That's the mess we're in right now, it being way too easy for men to be a bunch of metrosexual pussies these days. Just like fatties must be shamed, so should metrosexual men. By your argument here you might as well be arguing for men to prance around in pink ballerina outfits.

Quote:If wearing makeup is a) consistent with your personality/look or b) consistent with your image...

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...Then you better be in a glam rock band. Otherwise you probably bear a strong resemblance to this guy:

Quote:...I see no reason why it should be considered "less masculine" if you wore it. If you wear it in spite of society telling not to do so (and still getting pussy) that would probably make you "more masculine" not less.

No, it just means you've captured a niche market in getting pussy. In theory, that's fine. But let's see some hard stats of guys that wear guyliner and how much pussy they get.

Quote:Terribly analogy by the way.

Let me spell it out for you:

Exhibit A:
Male Makeup: At one point, a widely accepted social norm, but over centuries has been associated with cross dressers and transgender. In other words, the farthest thing from sought-after behavior in men, according to women.

Exhibit B
Pederasty: At one point, a widely accepted social norm, but over centuries has been associated with child molesters and rapists. In other words, the farthest thing from sought-after behavior in men, according to women.

You would be hard-pressed to find a more accurate analogy.

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There are several problems with the idea of men wearing make-up.

First is that male appearance tends to pale in comparison to game and their actions in general. In other words it's mostly a wasted effort, especially for the majority of men. If the guy in the original video has game (which I doubt) he'd probably be intriguing in a what a weirdo hobby kind of way. But most men would be infinitely better served doing push-ups instead of wasting all that time in the mirror with their face.

Second is that make-up, in the sense of covering blemishes and enhancing natural beauty, is inherently feminine behavior. Male appearance is about projecting an image at least as much as it is highlighting health and fitness. Accentuating the beauty of your face is something girls do. Girls know this and most will find the idea of a guy putting on makeup to be an effeminate turn-off. She'll spot the tell-tale signs and smell the familiar chemicals-- and she'll have an image of you like the guy in the youtube video, in front of a mirror primping. This is not conducive to putting her in the mood to be demolished by your manhood.

Under limited circumstances, standard makeup can be a useful tool in your game. If you are an actor or performer, for example, you'll occasionally have a legitimate excuse to be wearing makeup. A common reaction will be for the girl to say something along the lines of "you look better in makeup than I do, I'm jealous." Which of course is beta bait-- agree and amplify. You probably have to be fairly attractive to begin with for this to work, which if you're a professional actor you probably are.

If in some god-forsaken world male makeup actually becomes a thing, don't expect general attempts to conform to attractiveness standards, look for displays of creativity and boldness.

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Hmmm. It's commonly said that photos are crucial in online dating, so how about wearing a very subtle amount of makeup for profile pics, but not IRL when you meet up? Is that unmasculine? How does it differ from using Photoshop?

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Using makeup to cover blemishes and enhance your face on occasion isn't unmanly. Is putting pomade in your hair unmanly? Is ironing your shirt unmanly? Cleaning your shoes? Wearing cologne? You could argue that many elements of game are unmanly in a traditional sense. Having any sense of style is pretty "unmanly" in most people's minds, something that is usually the sphere of gay men and women. "using makeup" encompasses many many things. You can put so much makeup on that you look like a drag queen, that's not what you want to go for, EVER.

watch this girl go from acne faced at 4:37, to about a notch or two higher a minute later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGqyCzNcI7o

I've been looking into this for some videos I have to do, and though I haven't worn makeup during the day, I could see myself using a bit before I go out to a club at night.

The video posted by the OP is of a homosexual male right? I mean, its common for gay guys to wear makeup, so I don't really see what the issue is there. As for straight men, how many of the guys in GQ do you think are wearing subtle makeup? I'm betting a lot.

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(08-15-2013 11:16 PM)Blaster Wrote:  First is that male appearance tends to pale in comparison to game and their actions in general. In other words it's mostly a wasted effort, especially for the majority of men. If the guy in the original video has game (which I doubt) he'd probably be intriguing in a what a weirdo hobby kind of way. But most men would be infinitely better served doing push-ups instead of wasting all that time in the mirror with their face.

Lets not into the whole looks vs game debate. It is debated endlessly here. Fact is, good-looking guys have an obvious edge or guys who are not, even with game.

Think of looks as a "amplifier" of what you already have. It's not a standalone trait, but it beats the hell out of an ugly or even average looking dude with game.

But makeup, at least in the context I'm talking about, is about displaying your masculine confidence and bringing attention to yourself ( precisely because you have makeup on).

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(08-15-2013 09:29 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Freedom and masculinity do not go hand in hand, at least not in the sense you describe. Freedom for men means the freedom to BE men. Masculine men, without shame. Men should be shamed fror being feminine and metrosexual, not shamed for being masculine. Masculinity, at least by my definition, depends on discipline, not freedom to wear makeup. If anything, I'd say there's such thing as too much freedom. That's the mess we're in right now, it being way too easy for men to be a bunch of metrosexual pussies these days. Just like fatties must be shamed, so should metrosexual men. By your argument here you might as well be arguing for men to prance around in pink ballerina outfits.

haha did you know pink was considered a masculine color just 100 years ago? http://forgottenhistoryblog.com/pink-was...masculine/

That's my point.

That's just to illustrate how much of what we consider "masculine" or feminine is simply social convention. Men in many cultures also wear skirts, are they less masculine?

Let me break down the actual dictionary definition of "masculine" for you so that you are less in the dark:

Per the Oxford English Dictionary:

Quote:1. having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men, especially strength and aggressiveness:
he is outstandingly handsome and robust, very masculine
of or relating to men; male:
a masculine voice

The actual definition of masculinity is strength. It does not mean whether or not you wear makeup. It's not dependent upon clothing. For example, can you still tell if a girl is hot and feminine even if she's wearing sweatpants and flip-flops? Most guys can. Women cannot hide their femininity from men.

In the same way, men can't hide their masculinity, but their attitude can make a difference in how attractive they are.

(08-15-2013 09:29 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Let me spell it out for you:

Exhibit A:
Male Makeup: At one point, a widely accepted social norm, but over centuries has been associated with cross dressers and transgender. In other words, the farthest thing from sought-after behavior in men, according to women.

Exhibit B
Pederasty: At one point, a widely accepted social norm, but over centuries has been associated with child molesters and rapists. In other words, the farthest thing from sought-after behavior in men, according to women.

You would be hard-pressed to find a more accurate analogy.

You are ultimately allowing yourself and your masculinity to be defined by women . That's beta.

A true Alpha holds his strong frame regardless of a woman's taste, opinion or viewpoint. So yes, as I've said before, a masculine man can wear pink or makeup confidently. He doesn't give a shit what women think. And that ultimately makes him more attractive. Get it?

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(08-16-2013 02:01 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  You are ultimately allowing yourself and your masculinity to be defined by women . That's beta.

Oh okay, you win the internet for this one. Another alpha/beta arguer. Well done sir.

Have fun out there in your guyliner.