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Do We Really Want a Cold War II?
“There have been times when they slip back into Cold War thinking,” said President Obama in his tutorial with Jay Leno.

And to show the Russians that such Cold War thinking is antiquated, Obama canceled his September summit with Vladimir Putin.

The reason: Putin’s grant of asylum to Edward Snowden, who showed up at the Moscow airport, his computers full of secrets that our National Security Agency has been thieving from every country on earth, including Russia.

Yet there are many KGB defectors in the United States, and Russia has never used this as an excuse to cancel a summit.

The Washington Post and Wall Street Journal are delighted, hopeful that cancellation presages a more confrontational policy toward Putin.

But is a second Cold War really a good idea? And if it is coming, who is more responsible for it?
“Putin is a former intelligence officer, a patriot, a nationalist.”

From 1989 to 1991, Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to let Eastern Europe go free and withdraw his troops and tank armies back to the Urals. The Soviet Union was allowed to dissolve into 15 nations. In three years, the USSR gave up an empire, a third of its territory, and half its people.

And it extended to us a hand of friendship.

How did we respond? We pushed NATO right up to Russia’s borders, bringing in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, even former Soviet republics Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

European objections alone prevented us from handing out NATO war guarantees to Ukraine and Georgia. Was this a friendly act?

Would we have regarded post-Cold War Russian alliances with Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Mexico as friendly acts?

To cut Moscow out of the Caspian Sea oil, we helped build a pipeline through two former Soviet republics, Azerbaijan and Georgia, and, thence, under the Black Sea to our NATO ally Turkey.

In the Boris Yeltsin decade, the 1990s, U.S. hustlers colluded with local oligarchs in looting Russia of her natural resources.

In the past decade, the National Endowment for Democracy and its Republican and Democratic subsidiaries helped dump over governments in Serbia, Ukraine and Georgia, and replace them with regimes friendlier to us and more distant from Moscow.

George W. Bush sought to put an anti-missile system in Poland and the Czech Republic. Neither country had requested it. We said it was aimed at Iran.

When my late friend, columnist Tony Blankley, visited Russia in the Bush II era, he was astounded at the hostility he encountered from Russians who felt we had responded to their offer of friendship at the end of the Cold War by taking advantage of them.

Putin is a former intelligence officer, a patriot, a nationalist.

How did we think he would react to U.S. encirclement of his country by NATO and U.S. meddling in his internal affairs?

How did American patriots in the Truman-McCarthy era react to the discovery that Hollywood, the U.S. government and our atom bomb project were riddled with communists loyal to Josef Stalin?

Why cannot we Americans see ourselves as others see us?

Why is Russia still supporting the brutal regime of Bashar Assad in Syria, the Post and Journal demand to know.

Well, Russia has a long relationship with the Assad family, selling it arms and maintaining a naval base on Syria’s coast. Did we expect Russia to behave as we did when our autocratic ally of 30 years, Hosni Mubarak, was challenged by crowds in Tahrir Square?

We ditched Mubarak and washed our hands of him in weeks.

Russia stood by its man. And does not Putin have a point when he asks why we are backing Syrian rebels among whom are elements of that same al-Qaida that killed thousands of us in the twin towers?

Is the Syrian war so clear-cut a case of good and evil that the Russians should dump their friends and support ours?

If the Assad family is irredeemably wicked, why did George H.W. Bush enlist Hafez Assad in his war to liberate Kuwait in 1991, a war to which Damascus contributed 4,000 troops?

There is another reason Russia is recoiling from America.

With the death of its Marxist-Leninist ideology, Russia is moving back toward its religious and Orthodox roots. Secretly baptized at birth by his mother, Putin has embraced this.

Increasingly, religious Russians look on America, with our Hollywood values and celebrations of homosexuality, as a sick society, a focus of cultural and moral evil in the world.

Much of the Islamic world that once admired America has reached the same conclusion. Yet the Post is demanding that our government stand with “the persecuted rock band” of young women who desecrated with obscene acts the high altar of Moscow’s most sacred cathedral.

Upon what ground do we Americans, 53 million abortions behind us since Roe v. Wade, stand to lecture other nations on morality?

Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, trade, arms reduction—we have fish to fry with Putin. As for our lectures on democracy and morality, how ‘bout we put a sock in it?

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08-09-2013 02:07 PM
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Let's face it: the Russians and the Americans never fully mended fences after the first Cold War. That's part of the reason banging their women is so gratifying.

I, for one, am convinced that the end of the Cold War is part of what made the US so lazy and complacent. It'd might not be so bad to have a little tension with those guys again.

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08-09-2013 02:16 PM
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I'm far more terrified of my own government than I am of Russia.

Putin doesn't give a fuck about me, you, or anyone else in the U.S.

In the U.S., you're more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist.

The U.S. government has declared a Cold War on its own citizens. Or should I call us what we are - subjects.
08-09-2013 02:22 PM
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This is why I've always sympathized with the Russian Ultranationalists (what a term) in the Call of Duty series. I'm an American serving in the armed forces and I'm sick of my own god damned country.
08-09-2013 02:32 PM
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Obamas move is all political fluff. Hell he made it on a late night variety show, that is the joke politics has become in America. Only Americans will buy it as the reality of the Russian and USA relationship is still unknown to the majority of them. Russia just wants to deal with its self, it dosn''t give a fuck about others unless they have a partnership with them. It's been America 90% of the time acting out of good faith, acting like a attention whore and a female in thinking ts actions would not be met with consequences.

When the USA and NATO tried to roll through Georgia after Russia warned them many times not to or face engagement from nuclear weapons the USA didn't listen. GW tried to go balls deep and Russia rolled out middl batterys on then with nuclear warheads attached and pointed them engaged strait at the Western forces. Then like bitches the West retreated back - but this sloppy extremly play in strategy almost started a nuclear war.

Conalizza Rice was the mouthpiece to GWs ear in those days, she has a big fetish for Russia and tried to swing her dick on the matter. GW was supposedly balkish of the idea of forcing a physical preside but his insiders changed his mind.

The OP did a great post but you left out Libya which is important. Russia felt cheated by NATO, France and the USA as they lied on thier true intentions of carpet bombing the place and regime change. Russia did not veto the R2p resolution as a result of those assurance of protecting people and being out quickly, and because of this 80,000 Libyans were killed. Russia said after that it would not support Western interventions anymore due to thier track record of lying going forward, and vetod the resolution put forward against Syria.

Russia is 100% red pill, and a strong Russia keeps the world away from World War III.
08-09-2013 03:03 PM
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I doubt Russia would escalate. Russia is looking more and more like the Conservative party. Over here in America, true fiscal and social conservatism is evil. All Putin need do is kick back, maintain a strong national defense, and let the west destroy itself.
08-09-2013 03:57 PM
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(08-09-2013 02:22 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  In the U.S., you're more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist.

The U.S. government has declared a Cold War on its own citizens. Or should I call us what we are - subjects.


2012 - 2013 :

"Terror" killed 0 (ZERO) american citizens.

While heart disease and cancer killed about 1.92 million american citizens


However, surprisingly, there is no "War on cancer"
or "War on heart diseases"...
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08-09-2013 04:12 PM
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RE: Do We Really Want a Cold War II?
Rather have the US ramping up against a foreign enemy real or imagined instead of against Americans which is what we are getting. Heard Putin promotes the ole nuclear family, Russia will eventually win by having the only functioning white society in the world.
08-09-2013 04:49 PM
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(08-09-2013 04:12 PM)uni Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 02:22 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  In the U.S., you're more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist.

The U.S. government has declared a Cold War on its own citizens. Or should I call us what we are - subjects.


2012 - 2013 :

"Terror" killed 0 (ZERO) american citizens.

While heart disease and cancer killed about 1.92 million american citizens

However, surprisingly, there is no "War on cancer"
or "War on heart diseases"...

I hope the American government doesn't declare war on disease. Whenever they declare war on something it gets bigger and stronger. Look at what happened after they declared war on poverty and drugs.

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(08-09-2013 03:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  Obama's move is all political fluff. Hell he made it on a late night variety show, that is the joke politics has become in America. Only Americans will buy it as the reality of the Russian and USA relationship is still unknown to the majority of them. Russia just wants to deal with its self, it doesn't give a fuck about others unless they have a partnership with them. It's been America 90% of the time acting out of good faith, acting like a attention whore and a female in thinking it's actions would not be met with consequences.

When the USA and NATO tried to roll through Georgia after Russia warned them many times not to or face engagement from nuclear weapons the USA didn't listen. GW tried to go balls deep and Russia rolled out missile batterys on then with nuclear warheads attached and pointed them engaged strait at the Western forces. Then like bitches the West retreated back - but this sloppy extremely play in strategy almost started a nuclear war.

Condoleezza Rice was the mouthpiece to GWs ear in those days, she has a big fetish for Russia and tried to swing her dick on the matter. GW was supposedly balkish of the idea of forcing a physical preside but his insiders changed his mind.

The OP did a great post but you left out Libya which is important. Russia felt cheated by NATO, France and the USA as they lied on their true intentions of carpet bombing the place and regime change. Russia did not veto the R2p resolution as a result of those assurance of protecting people and being out quickly, and because of this 80,000 Libyans were killed. Russia said after that it would not support Western interventions any more due to their track record of lying going forward, and voted the resolution put forward against Syria.

Russia is 100% red pill, and a strong Russia keeps the world away from World War III.

*** Just had to clean that up a bit.
08-09-2013 05:41 PM
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(08-09-2013 04:12 PM)uni Wrote:  
(08-09-2013 02:22 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  In the U.S., you're more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist.

The U.S. government has declared a Cold War on its own citizens. Or should I call us what we are - subjects.


2012 - 2013 :

"Terror" killed 0 (ZERO) american citizens.

While heart disease and cancer killed about 1.92 million american citizens


However, surprisingly, there is no "War on cancer"
or "War on heart diseases"...

War on Cancer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Cancer
Look up Mary Lasker, or try reading The Emperor of all Maladies by Siddhartha Mukherjee

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