Post: #1

Quote: A New Jersey man was convicted Friday of sexually abusing a woman while she slept during a 2012 airline flight, the U.S. district attorney's office said.
Bawer Aksal, 49, of North Bergen was convicted of one count of sexual abuse and one count of abusive sexual contact following a five-day trial in federal court. The jury in Newark deliberated seven hours before returning its guilty verdicts, according to a statement from the federal prosecutor's office.
Aksal was arrested in August 2012 when he arrived aboard a flight from Phoenix, Arizona, to Newark Liberty International Airport. According to the statement, Aksal was sitting in the middle seat in a row of three seats, while the victim was next to him in the window seat.
The incident took place about an hour before landing, when the aisle passenger looked to his right and saw Aksal "half into the victim's seat, with his body against the victim's. His right arm around the back of her and his left hand beneath a sweater that was draped over her."
The victim awoke to find Aksal's hands insider her shirt and shorts, and she struggled out of his grasp, the prosecutor's statement said.
Both the aisle passenger and the victim immediately headed to the back of the plane to report what happened to the flight attendants.
The federal government has exclusive jurisdiction over all sexual abuse cases that occur on U.S. flights, as such events are outside the jurisdiction of any state.
Aksal now faces a maximum sentence of life in prison and a $250,000 fine.
"Mr. Aksal is very disappointed," Aksal's attorney, Robert J. Degroot. told CNN after the verdict. "He felt that the trial presented evidence that did not meet the necessary burden. He has faith in the American system and he feels that he will ultimately be vindicated."
Aksal is scheduled to be sentenced in court on October 23.

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Post: #2

Yes, what he did was wrong and should be punished, but life in prison and 250,000 dollar fine? I can take a crowbar, go up to a random member of this forum, assault them with the weapon until they're crippled and need urgent medical attention and get off with a much less severe punishment.

Ridiculous. Women = gold, Men = festering shit left out in the sun.

Post: #3

He is an omega idiot that should spend some time in jail to cool off, but... you can get life in prison for this? WTF?!? It's like we live in the middle ages...

Post: #4

How do you guys think this would go if it was a gay dude molesting a sleeping male?

Post: #5

(07-22-2013 09:52 AM)A War You Cannot Win Wrote:  How do you guys think this would go if it was a gay dude molesting a sleeping male?

He'd get broken nose, ribs, punched to the balls 89056423 times, spend at least 6 months in hospital... In short, much better than the dude that got jailed.

Post: #6

"Life for feeling up a person? He should have killed her- he'd be out in 10 years. What's wrong with our laws?"

Post: #7

Quote:The 50-year-old victim, who testified under an alias because of the nature of the charges, attended Friday's proceeding and sat in the gallery behind the prosecution table.

50?!! Come on dude. If it was some hot young piece of ass maybe I could understand

And what's up with testifying under an alias? There's something very wrong with that concept to me.

Quote:Bawer Aksal, 49, Turkish-born American citizen

Wasn't the crazy dude that sailed to England for a girl also Turkish?
I'll bet this was a white woman.

Post: #8

(07-22-2013 11:46 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  "Life for feeling up a person? He should have killed her- he'd be out in 10 years. What's wrong with our laws?"

In the same category as that woman who fired shots in her own home to scare off her abusive husband gets 20 years in prison.
We have to vote,be proactive to change anything! This country (US) is fucked up on many levels!

Post: #9

I’m rethinking this question of whether sentences are too strict on sexual abuse.

When I’ve visited places in the US and abroad with low levels of sex crimes, the women were much easier to meet and progress with, and the interactions were way more comfortable and enjoyable. I recommend seeking these kinds of places out in your local areas.

There was at least one eyewitness to Aksal’s crime in a setting with lots of people, so we can be sure he’s guilty. Aside from what he’s done to the woman, the bigger picture is that he’s a disgrace to men everywhere and is cockblocking the rest of us by making women more defensive than a feminist ever could.

Life in prison and a $250,000 fine sounds good to me.

Post: #10

(07-22-2013 01:52 PM)Atilla Wrote:  Life in prison and a $250,000 fine sounds good to me.

Post: #11

(07-22-2013 01:52 PM)Atilla Wrote:  I’m rethinking this question of whether sentences are too strict on sexual abuse.

When I’ve visited places in the US and abroad with low levels of sex crimes, the women were much easier to meet and progress with, and the interactions were way more comfortable and enjoyable. I recommend seeking these kinds of places out in your local areas.

There was at least one eyewitness to Aksal’s crime in a setting with lots of people, so we can be sure he’s guilty. Aside from what he’s done to the woman, the bigger picture is that he’s a disgrace to men everywhere and is cockblocking the rest of us by making women more defensive than a feminist ever could.

Life in prison and a $250,000 fine sounds good to me.

This is the worst possible solution to the problem you can come up with. Let us consider a criminal faced with several options. He wants to grope a woman and also wants to avoid jail. If you set the penalty of groping a woman the same as the penalty handed out for KILLING a woman, a certain percentage of the criminals are going to try to avoid jailtime by killing the girl they would have otherwise groped in order to avoid leaving a witness. The same is true with rape. Setting the penalty to life in prison for rape is going to turn more rapes into murders.

Post: #12

That's assuming criminals are thinking rationally.

Post: #13

I also don't think criminals usually think rationally about the consequences. However, the issue here is not about motivating criminals to be less criminal. It's about the aspects of making the society safe and punishing the offender to learn his lesson. This guy that groped the woman on the plane is pretty gross, but:

A) Does he present such a terrible threat to society that he should have to be locked up forever for the sake of other people? Probably not. Is it worth for the society to lose a member that could have lived the rest of his life without incidents, paid taxes and contributed to it? Also probably not.
and
B) Is sending someone to prison forever proportional to the crime committed? Spending the rest of your life in a tiny cell is almost equal to being shot to death, from an eye-for-an-eye point of view. It's probably worse than getting severely beaten up and injured. But is it almost equal to being groped? I don't think so.

Conclusion: feminist hysteria about the "rape culture" is making the society overreact and do more harm than help with such severe punishments.

Post: #14

(07-22-2013 01:52 PM)Atilla Wrote:  Life in prison and a $250,000 fine sounds good to me.

Ok, put it in this light. What if it was me sleeping on that plane and some horny old bag did that to me? Would you feel that same sentence was fair?

Post: #15

(07-22-2013 01:52 PM)Atilla Wrote:  I’m rethinking this question of whether sentences are too strict on sexual abuse.

When I’ve visited places in the US and abroad with low levels of sex crimes, the women were much easier to meet and progress with, and the interactions were way more comfortable and enjoyable. I recommend seeking these kinds of places out in your local areas.

There was at least one eyewitness to Aksal’s crime in a setting with lots of people, so we can be sure he’s guilty. Aside from what he’s done to the woman, the bigger picture is that he’s a disgrace to men everywhere and is cockblocking the rest of us by making women more defensive than a feminist ever could.

Life in prison and a $250,000 fine sounds good to me.

And in the India gang rape thread your opinion was:

(06-04-2013 04:09 PM)Atilla Wrote:  This shouldn’t have even made it onto the Washington Post or CNN headlines in the first place.

Violent rape is bad, but it’s not like she was murdered or had her house burned to the ground. As I see it, a woman getting raped by three men isn’t much different from a guy getting beat up by three men and suffering minor injuries. The only real difference is that people don’t often enjoy getting beat up.

Unless there was a gun put to her head or she was forced/tricked into taking dangerous hard drugs, a typical sentence for rape should only be a few weeks or months, definitely not longer than a year unless, again, a murder threat was involved. It certainly isn't worth the risk of ruining innocent men's lives.

A common question is how your feelings would change if a female family member were raped, but it doesn’t make a difference. Men are overprotective of their female loved ones and often don’t want to believe that she may have enjoyed it or that it wasn’t really that big of a deal. Hell, most men, myself included, could get violent over even an insult toward his wife, mother, daughter, or sister, but that doesn't justify rape hysteria and how it's affected our justice system.

I could understand a woman staying upset over this for a long period of time if she were a virgin waiting for her wedding night, but this was probably just a 30-year-old slut traveling alone in search of a “doesn’t count” Indian notch.

I brought this up on the thread about false rape accuser Tucker Reed, who began experiencing this “emotional distress” a year later after coming to the conclusion that she had been raped. This sort of example hints that rape-trauma could largely be from social conditioning.

According to the study cited in this article by Paul Elam, “57% of women who were raped on college campuses reported feelings that were described as ‘positive’ and ‘satisfied,’ about the experience,” and that “38% of the respondents reported a desire to repeat the experience, some obsessively so.”

As many as 21 percent of women who claimed to have been raped admit to having at least one orgasm during the experience, and researchers have hypothesized that the real figure is probably higher due to the embarrassment and denial of having enjoyed the attack.

These are the “traumatizing and life-changing attacks” that are getting men sentenced to over 10 years in maximum-security prisons.

Post: #16

In the Netherlands there's a public discussion in sentences that are way too low. And in some cases it is shocking indeed.

From Elsevier Wrote:'Often community service for murder and rape'

Murderers and rapists are too often sentenced to community service instead of jail time. Last year, 54 rapists were sentenced to community service, without a proper reason. In addition, 10 convicted murderers got away with community service only. This is reported by Zembla.

Too be honest, it is very easy to become enraged without knowing the details of the case. But they report that it includes 54 counts of actual rape. What the fuck. No circumstances can make that any less bad. Kill the perpetrator. A total of 883 counts of sex crimes was punished with community service. Beyond belief.

Still, we have low rates of violent crime, rape and murder.

Personally, actual rape that is proven beyond any doubt, deserves capital punishment.

Groping some old broad on a plane not, obviously, but is not okay and deserves to be punished.

Post: #17

He should of done it on a flight to Dubai. That way she would be the one getting sentenced.

In all seriousness I can't feel any pity for guys like this regardless of how draconian the punishment. You don't stick your hands in the pants of sleeping strangers unless you are a fucking weirdo and fucking weirdos need to be kept off the streets for the safety of us and our sisters, daughters and mums.

There are cases of men being arrested for bad game and clumsy approaches, but this is different, this is sexual assault on a sleeping woman he didn't know. I'd have no problem with people like that getting long sentences.

Edit: This is him. Say no more, it fucking had to be.
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Post: #18

The sisterhood will be screaming for blood, and being USA he will be having a stay on-the-inside for a while, unless he gets himself a super lawyer, hope he has deep pockets.

Best he claims he is a mental sicko, the judge might well be less harsh on him

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

Post: #19

He won't get life or a $250,000 fine.

Federal Sentencing Guidelines will total up a number based on the offense, if he had a previous record, etc. Federal sentencing is pretty harsh, but it's not impossible he'll get probation. I would guess short stay in a minimum security FCU and then probation if he's got no record.

Post: #20

^ I was thinking the same. He's definitely not doing life. I couldn't tell you how many times when I was younger and got into trouble the judge would say, "If I see you back in this court room, you're going to jail!" When I was back next mounts, slap on the hand.

Hell, even in federal court, I kept putting off my community service. I had it extended twice and the last time the judge said I'd be going to jail if I didn't complete the community service. I came back 4 months later, 8 hours short and the judge told me how proud of me he was. Moral of the story, max punishment is almost never used.

Post: #21

I guess this incident makes it only a matter of time before we start seeing dancing feminists during flights...

Post: #22

I think his life would be pretty fucked because of the record? unless he wants a shitty job no one wants or wants to work for himself?

Plus this online humiliation will haunt him rest of his lives. heck yeah, his daughter in law would find out easily just by googling him too.
I think those consequences are already enough.