Post: #26

Freedom is never setting an alarm clock.

I only set one if I really have to.

Post: #27

They say the best thing about being rich is never having to set the alarm clock.

Post: #28

(06-26-2013 02:30 PM)cardguy Wrote:  I fucking hate 'morning people'.

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Anyway - if fucks me right off when 'morning' people laught at 'night' people feeling tired. I just wish society could be reset for a couple of months so that instead of starting work at 9 in the morning - people had to start work at 9 in the evening. And finish at 5 in the morning.

There would be a fucking riot. Yet - for the 30-40% of us who are 'night' people - this is the shit we have to deal with our entire lives.

And to give you two contrasts.

George W. Bush used to wake up at 5 in the morning.

And Bill Clinton used to go to bed at 5 in the morning.

Fuck the morning people. I laugh at the losers who get tired at 9 or 10 in the evening.

And they are more stupid than the 'night' people:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-...ning-larks

What is odd for me - is that even if I wake up at 6 in the morning - I won't actually be tired until about 5 the following morning. Whatever it is I have - I have it really bad.

You will probably find this Robin Hanson post interesting:

Quote:Richard Chappell suggests morning larks treat night owls unfairly:

Scheduling maintenance work on campus housing for 7:45am somehow doesn’t strike the university as grossly inconsiderate, the way that scheduling it for 11pm surely would. … It should be common knowledge that there’s a fair bit of variation in the sleep schedules of graduate students. …. Perhaps [early-risers] think that any grad student who’s still asleep at 8am is just “sleeping in”, the way that they themselves might do on a lazy weekend. … Perhaps the inconsistent treatment is thought to be justified by early-riser moralizing: really (the thought goes), people ought to wake early. Those on later sleep schedules must just be lazy.

Intrigued, I dug:

A higher degree of eveningness in more impulsive subjects. more

Morningness was stable before age 35 and increased afterwards. more

College freshmen who kept night-owl hours had lower GPAs. more

Evening-types are more likely to have higher intelligence scores. more

Late risers tire less quickly. … Those who rise later tend to be both cleverer and richer. more

Post: #29

(06-26-2013 03:46 PM)cardguy Wrote:  A recent habit of mine is to wake up late on Sunday (maybe 2pm?). Skip sleep on Sunday night - and then crash into bed early after work on Monday evening (around 7pm).

It kinda' works for me. It feels like I get to extend the weekend by an extra night. And by the time I am feeling good again (and back in sync with the rest of the world) - it is Tuesday evening. So - it feels like you skip through the first couple of days of the work week. And it means I get to have a nice 10 hour sleep on Monday night.

Also there is nothing more enjoyable than going to bed exhausted - and knowing you can sleep as long as you want. It feels better than sex - and it is realy fun knowing you will be in a deep sleep within a minute of hitting the pillow.

The whole thing of skipping sleep is quite interesting. I have heard some artists use it as a 'high' to help them be creative. Apparently My Bloody Valentine used sleep deprivation as a tool when recording there classic 'Loveless' album.

You sound a lot like me sleep-wise. Sometimes I sleep every other night for 20 hour chunks. Usually due to staying up all night and having early morning obligations.
When I'm sleep deprived I am usually more outgoing and cheerful. It's like I've had a few drinks. Maybe both alcohol and sleep-deprivation depress the function of the part of whatever part of the brain controls social inhibition.
I just quit my main job so my bizarre sleep schedule has been free to spiral totally out of control.
I used to fight it but for the past three years I've just slept when I'm tired and I've been much happier. I love the night. That's when all the good stuff happens.

I used to use this for my alarm on high volume. After using it for a couple years to blast myself out of sleep into a scrambling panic to hit the 'stop' button it makes me feel sick just to hear the intro.

Post: #30

3
I have 2 set on my phone by my bed as kind of a pre wake up as I just instinctually turn them off then one that I actually have to get up and go turn off on the otherside of the room.
Funny story, my friend was having major troubles getting up at 430 to get to work on time so he set up his alarm clock on top of his dresser that was real loud. Now, he's a short guy so there is no way he can just reach up there and turn it off. He had to go into the kitchen, get a chair, stand on it then reach way back to turn it off. This worked for awhile but then eventually he started to lay back down after going through all the steps and then it was game over.

Post: #31

Definitely serious. Yesterday slept 2x 2.5 hr chunks with 1x 20 minute nap, feel great.

More REM iterations accelerates learning. My target is around 3x 20 min naps per day, which shortens core sleep further.

But it's flexible because I'm not going full Uberman.

Post: #32

I had severe sleep problems. I think the main reasons were to much stress from work, girls and the feeling a have not accomplished enough and tried to somehow extract value from the night which never worked. Also working night shift was really bad for my sleep cycle.

Now I have more distance from the stressing factors. I need less sleep. Living in a sunnier climate is also very helpfull and yes sport is obligatory specially running.

For waking up porn is very good.

Post: #33

One alarm. Dated a girl who would need multiple alarms to wake up and it drove me crazy

Post: #34

For some reason I can usually wake up without an alarm. I used to need one as a kid and early teen, but now all I need to do is think about when I want to wake up and I'll usually wake up within 10 minutes of that time (Or I'll wake up an hour before I need to wake up and keep waking up every 10 minutes or so to check the clock until it's time). I think I may have developed this habit because something about the sound of an alarm waking me up out of sleep is one of the most terrible things ever, something about the sound really pisses me off. Even when I used to use an alarm I often woke up a bit before it went off so I wouldn't have to hear the sound.

Post: #35

Kabal,

The conclusions at the end of that Robin Hanson post you mentioned are interesting:

Quote:So, larks are older, more conformist, more dependable, and so more likely to set official rules. Such rules seem to favor lark-preferred hours of work, school, etc., and to give larks higher school grades even though owls are smarter and eventually richer. Seems some sort of “conspiracy” theory has decent support, though of course conscious collusion isn’t needed here – self-serving biases and signaling distortions seem a sufficient explanation.

So why don’t owls complain more about this repression? Too non-conformist to coordinate a movement? Too busy partying late to show up to meetings?

Post: #36

2-3, but more for OCD purposes than needing to hear multiple alarms to wake up

Post: #37

When I was younger, I worked at a research institute which was open 24 hours a day. Since I am a night person, I would go to work at 10 p.m. and work until morning. That got old after a while. Now I get up early because I have to, but find that I can actually get by with less sleep. The one difference I noticed is that I tend to have more courage later in the day, so it is a disadvantage when I have to make decisions in the morning.

Post: #38

(06-26-2013 12:56 AM)kickboxer Wrote:  I miss my drug dealer hours. Waking up at 3 and 4 in the afternoon, best days of my life I tell ya!

Ha! Still live this life.

Well, minus the drug-dealing. They frown on that here.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #39

(06-26-2013 02:27 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  put on socks. put the phone in one sock. vibration against foot will wake you quickly. tons of nerves on the bottom of foot, going straight deep into the brain.

when alarm goes off, immediately grab it and start checking email. even a bleary zombie likes to check email. the blue light pouring into your retinas from the screen will continue the awakening process. a daylight zeitgeiber.

when you are a bit more awake, turn on your phone's flashlight function, shine it into your eyes, and finish yourself off. you should be out of bed and moving once your pupils are contracted and you can bear the light.

Omg i laughed so hard at this , got any other life tips you could share?