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RE: The old school MTV show "Daria"
I thought the show was dead on with the careerist mother. Making fun of how she valued her life by working 12 hour days and having "quality time" with her kids rather than the biological imperative. It reminds me of my aunt, who's real careerist, and made no time for her daughters, who either got useless degrees or didn't attend college at all, and are barely scraping by. Hanna Rosin may say its the end of men, but I've noticed a real generation gap among women I like to call the "Daria" gap: Baby boomer women believed that careers would validate them, so they spend their lives rationalizing what is obvious to most men a meaningless existance of corporate servitude. Their daughters pick up on this, become cynical, so they don't become careerists. The daughters are still infected with the AIDS that is 21st century western society, but they sure as hell ain't gonna make partner. They do what we know they do; get bullshit degrees. I think the level of law and accounting majors among women has declined in the past ten years http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.c...women.html
Says women in law school went from 49% in 2001 to 46%
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/women-accounting
If TL;DR, Daria effect=Mom brazen careerist, Daughter art major/barista.
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RE: The old school MTV show "Daria"
(06-24-2013 11:52 AM)Exactaking Wrote: I thought the show was dead on with the careerist mother. Making fun of how she valued her life by working 12 hour days and having "quality time" with her kids rather than the biological imperative. It reminds me of my aunt, who's real careerist, and made no time for her daughters, who either got useless degrees or didn't attend college at all, and are barely scraping by. Hanna Rosin may say its the end of men, but I've noticed a real generation gap among women I like to call the "Daria" gap: Baby boomer women believed that careers would validate them, so they spend their lives rationalizing what is obvious to most men a meaningless existance of corporate servitude. Their daughters pick up on this, become cynical, so they don't become careerists. The daughters are still infected with the AIDS that is 21st century western society, but they sure as hell ain't gonna make partner. They do what we know they do; get bullshit degrees. I think the level of law and accounting majors among women has declined in the past ten years http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.c...women.html
Says women in law school went from 49% in 2001 to 46%
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/women-accounting
If TL;DR, Daria effect=Mom brazen careerist, Daughter art major/barista.
Good point about the careerist mom. She is a neurotic character and sets a bad example but her smart perceptive daughter doesn't accept femininity as a result.
There are tons of episodes where she flips out about not being young anymore.
The show depicts a lot of paradigm shifts at the end of the 90's. I liked how skeptical it was about college.
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RE: The old school MTV show "Daria"
Daria is the precursor to the 2010s snarky, unfeminine, cat-loving, "sarcastic," tattoo-having, pierced-up, frumpy American bitches we complain about.
Is it any coincidence that Janeane Garofalo voiced the character?
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RE: The old school MTV show "Daria"
(06-24-2013 01:34 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote: Daria is the precursor to the 2010s snarky, unfeminine, cat-loving, "sarcastic," tattoo-having, pierced-up, frumpy American bitches we complain about.
Is it any coincidence that Janeane Garofalo voiced the character?
Yeah. I remember seeing the show when it originally aired and being taken aback by how relentlessly cynical it was. It definitely signaled a shift in the zeitgeist. Suddenly it was now cool to always be sarcastic, to not trust other people, and to be sullen joykill.
For example, notice the scene in the video of Daria being hugged by her teacher. She calls out lawsuit! And the teacher shamefacedly pulls back. Haha funny but that kind of joke would not have been made even a few years earlier.
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RE: The old school MTV show "Daria"
(06-24-2013 01:52 PM)Therapsid Wrote: (06-24-2013 01:34 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote: Daria is the precursor to the 2010s snarky, unfeminine, cat-loving, "sarcastic," tattoo-having, pierced-up, frumpy American bitches we complain about.
Is it any coincidence that Janeane Garofalo voiced the character?
Yeah. I remember seeing the show when it originally aired and being taken aback by how relentlessly cynical it was. It definitely signaled a shift in the zeitgeist. Suddenly it was now cool to always be sarcastic, to not trust other people, and to be sullen joykill.
For example, notice the scene in the video of Daria being hugged by her teacher. She calls out lawsuit! And the teacher shamefacedly pulls back. Haha funny but that kind of joke would not have been made even a few years earlier.
No way. The show lagged the zeitgeist of cynicism by a couple years. The sarcastic/untrusting/sullen aspect of teen culture peaked in the grunge/alternative era around Cobain's death and the rise of Billy Corgan. Daria was on from 1997-2002, when Limp Bizkit-style rap-rock reigned and teen raunch was the new normal. See, e.g., Can't Hardly Wait; American Pie, etc.
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RE: The old school MTV show "Daria"
(06-24-2013 09:18 PM)lurker Wrote: (06-24-2013 01:52 PM)Therapsid Wrote: (06-24-2013 01:34 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote: Daria is the precursor to the 2010s snarky, unfeminine, cat-loving, "sarcastic," tattoo-having, pierced-up, frumpy American bitches we complain about.
Is it any coincidence that Janeane Garofalo voiced the character?
Yeah. I remember seeing the show when it originally aired and being taken aback by how relentlessly cynical it was. It definitely signaled a shift in the zeitgeist. Suddenly it was now cool to always be sarcastic, to not trust other people, and to be sullen joykill.
For example, notice the scene in the video of Daria being hugged by her teacher. She calls out lawsuit! And the teacher shamefacedly pulls back. Haha funny but that kind of joke would not have been made even a few years earlier.
No way. The show lagged the zeitgeist of cynicism by a couple years. The sarcastic/untrusting/sullen aspect of teen culture peaked in the grunge/alternative era around Cobain's death and the rise of Billy Corgan. Daria was on from 1997-2002, when Limp Bizkit-style rap-rock reigned and teen raunch was the new normal. See, e.g., Can't Hardly Wait; American Pie, etc.
I'd argue that recent or contemporary hipster culture has a similar sullen affect as 90's alternative culture. Look past the difference in clothing style and music. If anything grunge fans were less anti-social.
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RE: The old school MTV show "Daria"
(06-24-2013 09:27 PM)Therapsid Wrote: (06-24-2013 09:18 PM)lurker Wrote: (06-24-2013 01:52 PM)Therapsid Wrote: (06-24-2013 01:34 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote: Daria is the precursor to the 2010s snarky, unfeminine, cat-loving, "sarcastic," tattoo-having, pierced-up, frumpy American bitches we complain about.
Is it any coincidence that Janeane Garofalo voiced the character?
Yeah. I remember seeing the show when it originally aired and being taken aback by how relentlessly cynical it was. It definitely signaled a shift in the zeitgeist. Suddenly it was now cool to always be sarcastic, to not trust other people, and to be sullen joykill.
For example, notice the scene in the video of Daria being hugged by her teacher. She calls out lawsuit! And the teacher shamefacedly pulls back. Haha funny but that kind of joke would not have been made even a few years earlier.
No way. The show lagged the zeitgeist of cynicism by a couple years. The sarcastic/untrusting/sullen aspect of teen culture peaked in the grunge/alternative era around Cobain's death and the rise of Billy Corgan. Daria was on from 1997-2002, when Limp Bizkit-style rap-rock reigned and teen raunch was the new normal. See, e.g., Can't Hardly Wait; American Pie, etc.
I'd argue that recent or contemporary hipster culture has a similar sullen affect as 90's alternative culture. Look past the difference in clothing style and music. If anything grunge fans were less anti-social.
Sure. But that hipster culture came close to a decade after the show. I just don't see them lining up like you claim. Daria to me felt - probably because of its Beavis and Butt-Head roots - like a parody of the 90s slacker world.
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RE: The old school MTV show "Daria"
(06-25-2013 12:44 AM)Art Pimp Wrote: Great show. I knew some attractive girls who were a lot like Daria. Give me boners to this day.
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