Post: #26

(06-19-2013 02:29 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  WARNING-- RATIONAL POLICY TROLL:

Most importantly, don't listen to the people on the front lines of crime prevention management-- Police Chiefs in America. A big total of 1% mention thinking more death penalty would help prevent violent crime.

If you have worked in the criminal justice system for years as I have, you know criminals are dumber than shit. They can't plan their dinner, let alone consider consequences years away.

Bundy-types are a total outlier that isn't really relevant for public policy.

Here's their opinion, which of course doesn't matter compared to people's blood lust for revenge.

Their best point that if the money was spent on more cops that would actually have some preventive affect

http://davisvanguard.org/index.php?optio...Itemid=109

The death penalty was ranked last when the police chiefs were asked to name one area as “most important for reducing violent crime,” with only one percent listing it as the best way to reduce violence. The death penalty came in behind more police officers; reducing drug abuse; better economy and more jobs; longer prison sentences; and technological innovations such as improved laboratories and crime databases.

The police chiefs ranked the death penalty as the least efficient use of taxpayers' money. They rated expanded training and more equipment for police officers; hiring more police officers; community policing; more programs to control drug and alcohol abuse; and neighborhood watch programs as more efficient uses of taxpayers’ dollars.
Almost 6 in 10 police chiefs (57%) agreed that the death penalty does little to prevent violent crimes because perpetrators rarely consider the consequences when engaged in violence. Although the police chiefs did not oppose the death penalty in principle, less than half (47%) would support it if a sentence of life without parole with mandatory restitution to the victim’s family were available.

I've never advocated for the death penalty as "crime prevention" and I think people need to stop advocating for it using that argument.

It is retribution from the state, as all punishments for crimes committed naturally are.

Post: #27

(06-19-2013 02:02 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:15 AM)houston Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 01:21 AM)Vicious Wrote:  The populistic message and misleading thread title colorfully illustrates why it's never a good idea to be swayed by emotional arguments and let individual cases dictate a policy.

I didn't really expect any European members to be for the death penalty, even if a baby was raped and killed.

You know what really irks my bleeding heart? I actually find it quite callous to use such a tragedy to plug ones own agenda on capital punishment.

I agree.

Post: #28

(06-18-2013 09:46 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'm not anti-death penalty, but in terms of justice, them being sent into General Population is a much more fitting punishment.

Humane death via lethal injection, or chaotic and impending but unknowable death at the hands of not-so-friendly convicts.

WIA

Yea but do you feel like dishing out $ for all these people to go to the general population? People forget that it isnt cheap to imprision people in the west.

Post: #29

I'm pro-death penalty, but to be quite honest I say let this dude get thrown in with the general population for a few years, his anus with probably be torn up just as bad as that poor little girls once inmates find out what he did. Then fry the peace of shit.

Post: #30

I wouldn't shed a tear for them if they were killed, of course.

It's like Hitler, of course you want him dead. These extreme instances make everything seem black and white.

But often it's not black and white, and often the evidence used to convict people is faulty.

Locking someone like this up for life with no chance of parole is fine. I understand the blood lust to see these two suffer for what they've done, but it's a primitive urge that we need to get past as a society.

Post: #31

The death penalty isnt going to stop these types of crimes but why dish out 50-60k per year for this fuck to live? If taxes were paid like a bill rather than autodrafted the west would be an entirmely different place.

Post: #32

They should be sent to prison for rehabilitation and set free. As long as they apologize and promise not to do it again, what's the problem?

Post: #33

why the death penalty is bunk

the facts:
it doesn't curb crime
it's more expensive to execute people than to give them life without parole
innocent people have been executed due to the death penalty

arguments based on a philosophical view:
the state shouldn't have the power to execute its citizens
the justice system shouldn't meet cruelty with cruelty
it caters to a baser societal sense of bloodlust

Post: #34

(06-18-2013 09:46 PM)kosko Wrote:  When it comes to kids no bullshit. If you hurt a kid they will have scars for the rest of their lives an will suffer longer then the perpetrator will live. If somebody man or woman fucks around with a kid. Fry them up.

In this case?

Fry them both up.

We had the death-penalty removed in the 60's, time for its return, grow some balls JuLIAR and change some laws you lesbian!:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-ord...6665983381

Far too many fun-police here!

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

Post: #35

The death penalty isn't profitable for governments, so it won't be picking up in popularity any time soon.

(06-19-2013 09:12 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  Yea but do you feel like dishing out $ for all these people to go to the general population? People forget that it isnt cheap to imprision people in the west.

The government sells prison contracts out to other companies. They make a fucking shit ton out of it, too. They say that it costs them however much a day per prisoner to keep them in there, but really, they're profiting like crazy from doing this. That's why the minimum penalties for jail time are constantly lowering, and the birthrate in lower socioeconomic class' is increasing - poorer people commit crimes more often, and if they can be sent straight to jail, they can be used. Really, it's inhumane hate crime on the government's part, labelling, what is really poverty, as criminal activity, then using these people as slaves, strictly to line their own pockets. Shit's fucked.

Here's a pretty relevant article

Post: #36

Yeah, let's kill people for killing people and also arrest guys who have bad game.

You guys are oversimplifying this.

Instead of wasting energy and money on retribution, there should be greater effort put into preventing this kind of thing.

Death penalty doesn't stop shit.

If anything, it sows seeds of more strife.

Post: #37

(06-20-2013 06:40 AM)soup Wrote:  Yeah, let's kill people for killing people and also arrest guys who have bad game.

You guys are oversimplifying this.

Instead of wasting energy and money on retribution, there should be greater effort put into preventing this kind of thing.

Death penalty doesn't stop shit.

If anything, it sows seeds of more strife.

How would you prevent child molesters from messing with kids? Don't oversimplify the solution either.

Post: #38

People that do stuff like this should be burned at the stake. Obviously they're possessed by evil spirits.

Unless you want to take them into your home and let them babysit your nieces and nephews while you try and rehabilitate them. Good luck with that.

Post: #39

(06-19-2013 12:28 AM)soup Wrote:  Death Penalty won't prevent or convince psychopaths to not follow through with their intentions.

Prevention of other's is not the primary point. It's to keep this person from ever doing this to another baby again.

Soup I'm tired of your logic problems.

Post: #40

(06-20-2013 08:04 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Soup I'm tired of your logic problems.

Post: #41