Post: #26

(06-18-2013 01:01 PM)scorpion Wrote:  But you hear skinny guys all the time saying things like, "Muscles aren't that big of a deal," or "Girls prefer guys with the slim, cut look."

Reminds me of how fat girls say things like, "men love a girl with curves".

Post: #27

How come a body that is made out of a fifth of lard is considered normal?

Imagine having 15 packs of crisco shortening taped around your waist.

Post: #28

(06-23-2013 05:26 PM)germanico Wrote:  How come a body that is made out of a fifth of lard is considered normal?

Imagine having 15 packs of crisco shortening taped around your waist.

People are so used to seeing overweight faces these days that cultural aesthetic norms have changed. Not saying that it's impossible to truly look gaunt, but I think the standard for gaunt is now flirting with "normal weighted face".

P.S. I just made the connection that I did better at bars back then when I was a complete novice in game, but a heavier, because of the weight! I was mystified as to what the reason was and chalked it up to beginner's luck.

Post: #29

(06-24-2013 06:57 PM)Tim9000 Wrote:  

(06-23-2013 05:26 PM)germanico Wrote:  How come a body that is made out of a fifth of lard is considered normal?

Imagine having 15 packs of crisco shortening taped around your waist.

I'm rail thin. A few years ago I massively overate trying to bulk up at the gym, which simply added 20lbs of fat though I was getting compliments on my looks. I look at my drivers license photo from that year and I look like a jock (thicker neck and so forth)--I'd never looked like that in my life before.

People are so used to seeing overweight faces these days that cultural aesthetic norms have changed. Not saying that it's impossible to truly look gaunt, but I think the standard for gaunt is now flirting with "normal weighted face".

P.S. I just made the connection that I did better at bars back then when I was a complete novice in game, but a heavier, because of the weight! I was mystified as to what the reason was and chalked it up to beginner's luck.

I don't think it's the whole societal thing, in the way you think at least.

Girls like bigger guys. Period.

It's something about abundance mentality. Only the most alpha males could get big in the past. If we walked around with shirts off, it might be a different story. Maybe only the ripped guys would get top shelf. With clothes though, women just see size. That's attractive, it's powerful.

Think about it this way: in high school wrestling, the biggest weight class is often comprised of overweight dudes who are athletic. Even a guy in middle weight class (average) can't really compete with an average guy from that weight class. Size is a huge advantage.

Girls like size. I already said this on this thread I think, but my most recent ex was one of the hottest girls i dated. And straight up, she knew about her own likes and dislikes that she liked huge guys. regardless of how cut/athletic they were. to her, they contrasted her petite femininity, and let her feel 'safe'.

I let her feel safe with my demeanor, and the fact that she knew I carried a knife on me at all times. she knew i was a killer, that i had that mentality. that made up for my lack of physical size.

the way you carry yourself is huge. when she met me, she thought i was 6'4" or 6'5" and close to 200 lbs. i was really 6'1" and 165 lbs. a lot of people think i'm way bigger than i am too, and guys often call me 'big guy' even though i'm equal size to them.

think big. act big. get big... and girls come with way less effort.

Post: #30

Girls like tone and fitness. Size depends on the chick. When you leave Anglo society it changes. Girls prefer slim guys in parts of euroPe. In fact they did a study where slim guys were considered the alpha male. It was in Europe. But slim guys are healthier with better immune systems. Healthy means alpha. I think only gals umder 23 might like a bog guy because of the whole jock thing. That being said. The slim guy should have muscle and look athletic.
Knights in shining armor were not big. Go check in museum lol.
That being said I am 6 ft 175 nude. I look better at 170. A few months ago I was 184. Being slim with muscle is good. But anything past 170 on me goes to gut and thicker skin. I try to workout vase on the Adonis index. I am 1.53 waist to shoulder ratio. Damn good! for a skinny guy

Post: #31

(06-24-2013 09:33 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Girls like tone and fitness. Size depends on the chick. When you leave Anglo society it changes. Girls prefer slim guys in parts of euroPe. In fact they did a study where slim guys were considered the alpha male. It was in Europe. But slim guys are healthier with better immune systems. Healthy means alpha. I think only gals umder 23 might like a bog guy because of the whole jock thing. That being said. The slim guy should have muscle and look athletic.
Knights in shining armor were not big. Go check in museum lol.
That being said I am 6 ft 175 nude. I look better at 170. A few months ago I was 184. Being slim with muscle is good. But anything past 170 on me goes to gut and thicker skin. I try to workout vase on the Adonis index. I am 1.53 waist to shoulder ratio. Damn good! for a skinny guy

Oh, I totally agree. i'm same size as you pretty much exactly right now. i think it looks ideal, no homo, haha. and i think most girls, in most parts of the world would agree.

the US is different though. i'm not sure why. i think 1 factor may be that the alpha males here, the guys at the top of the club scene, with money AND fame are athletes. and athletes in the us are baseball, and football mostly. these guys are bigger than the star athletes in the rest of the world (soccer). i think if you look at all of human history, the soccer player of today is the ideal standard. our exact size right now is the ideal standard.

but something is different in the us. yeah it depends on the chick. but i don't think my ex-chick was that far off from most petite, very feminine, pick of the litter type of chicks in the US. she's 25 by the way, maybe you're right though and she'll grow out of it as she starts looking for a long term and healthy provider.

Post: #32

if you're an ectomorph and all you've ever done is cardio based exercise, then quitting cardio for a while and just focusing on weightlifting is a good tip.


Lift heavy shit, eat over 200g of protein. Don't run a marathon.

Post: #33

(06-24-2013 09:33 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Girls like tone and fitness. Size depends on the chick. When you leave Anglo society it changes. Girls prefer slim guys in parts of euroPe. In fact they did a study where slim guys were considered the alpha male. It was in Europe. But slim guys are healthier with better immune systems. Healthy means alpha. I think only gals umder 23 might like a bog guy because of the whole jock thing. That being said. The slim guy should have muscle and look athletic.
Knights in shining armor were not big. Go check in museum lol.
That being said I am 6 ft 175 nude. I look better at 170. A few months ago I was 184. Being slim with muscle is good. But anything past 170 on me goes to gut and thicker skin. I try to workout vase on the Adonis index. I am 1.53 waist to shoulder ratio. Damn good! for a skinny guy

Post: #34

(06-24-2013 09:33 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  When you leave Anglo society it changes. Girls prefer slim guys in parts of euroPe.

I'd say girls notice me more for being built in Europe rather then North America. Being a built guy in a country with mostly skinny men makes you a novelty item. Same thing could be said with a skinny French guy in a place like the USA or Australia too though.

Post: #35

(06-24-2013 06:57 PM)Tim9000 Wrote:  P.S. I just made the connection that I did better at bars back then when I was a complete novice in game, but a heavier, because of the weight! I was mystified as to what the reason was and chalked it up to beginner's luck.

So, it was either looks or luck. Your actions had nothing to do with it.

Post: #36

I've considered that somehow my novice game might have been better than my current game (which is admittedly not strong--I will be the perpetual novice!) but I'm thinking of times when the girl was immediately into me, or in a couple of cases opened me. Never happens with my current looks and game (which could extend to the default expression on my face). There's a chance that looking a little scared helped me, even though it would turn off most women. Now I probably have more of a douchbag expression on my face.

Post: #37

I was going to start a thread on this but I'm glad I found this one. So here is my story. Since the beginning of the year, I started working out more seriously and I have gained about 13 pounds of muscle. And I can bench press more than my body weight. My face is fuller too. This is what has happened to me:

1) Two women at work that I see once in a while in the company cafeteria openly stared at my arms and chest when I walked past their table at lunch. They looked at me before, but never like that.

2) A young woman married somebody also at work. The woman and her husband frequently have lunch together in the cafeteria. We were in line facing the salad bar and I was picking out things. The woman was next to me on my left and she came up close and her entire right arm touches my left arm. No people don't bump into each other like that. I turned my head and gave her a polite smile. She smiled back. Her husband was next to her on her left. He didn't notice this little exchange.

(Side note: this is a pure example of the true nature of women. I'm glad that I have taken the red pill when this happened).

3) I was in Paris this past weekend. I have been here many times before on business but this time it's a real vacation for me. I was in line to get into the Eiffel Tower when a woman put her hand on my biceps, squeezed a little and asked me if I speak English. I answered her question and then she smiled and left.

4) During my time in Paris I wore a tight fitting shirt. I got stared at more on the streets by other tourists from other European countries. One particular example was from a teenage girl with her younger sister and her father. The father was preoccupied with the younger sister. We all walked down Champs-Elysees at about the same pace. Sometimes I'm ahead and sometimes they're ahead. A few times when she was ahead she turned back and looked at me. And a few times when I was ahead I turned back and saw her looking at me.

She was a pretty young girl. Strawberry blonde, some freckles. My type. But she was underage and with her father and younger sister! Too bad...

My goals is to gain about 10-15 more pounds of muscle. That will put my BMI at 23.

DavidZRH

Post: #38

(04-27-2014 02:45 AM)DavidZRH Wrote:  3) I was in Paris this past weekend. I have been here many times before on business but this time it's a real vacation for me. I was in line to get into the Eiffel Tower when a woman put her hand on my biceps, squeezed a little and asked me if I speak English. I answered her question and then she smiled and left.

Are you sure that wasn't a gypsy?

Post: #39

(06-25-2013 05:23 AM)chexmix Wrote:  

(06-24-2013 09:33 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  When you leave Anglo society it changes. Girls prefer slim guys in parts of euroPe.

I'd say girls notice me more for being built in Europe rather then North America. Being a built guy in a country with mostly skinny men makes you a novelty item. Same thing could be said with a skinny French guy in a place like the USA or Australia too though.

Being built is better for getting women everywhere. You can't get away from the basic primal instincts that are deeply ingrained in female brains.

Plus there is no excuse for not getting at least a bit of muscle. It's not that hard and will help you in all areas of your life, not just girls.

Post: #40

This thread seems to pop up a lot.

I've gone from 85kg (absolute lowest I can go with muscle would be 83 or so) to 100 kg and back a couple of times at about 6'1'' over the last 5 years so I have some experience with what girls respond to.

The most compliments with clothes off was at 85 kg and low bodyfat.

The most attention in nightlife was at around 90kg.

The upper limit for girls giving the eye was around 96 kg.

Now, this is only for me personally, but I believe every guy has similar thresholds with regards to muscle, bodyfat and overall size. In my experience, what really turns girls in a purely physical sense is the appearance of a wide strong back, strong wide shoulders AND flat midsection. At low bodyfat with wide, strong back and wide, strong shoulders, I'd often be in a bar and turn around and some girl would hold eye contact, purely because she likely had noticed me from behind.

Size alone will get you attraction, but it will be cultural more than physical. When I was 100 kg and fat, but still strong, I would get very little IOIs in Asia for example, but would still do ok in northern Europe. I believe this is basically because large size (but not the fat belly guy look), is simply dominant. Other men will unconsciously move out of the way or modify their behavior.

The perfect physique I am going for is the swimmer build. Wide shoulders and strong wide, v-tapering back imo gives much larger return on investment than biceps or chest. Deadlifts, pullups, overhead press, clean and press, powercleans imo should be the core of any routine instead of squats and flat bench, which most seem to focus on.

Post: #41

Quote:

Crap. I just realized that Starting Strength made me "obese". BMI is bullshit anyway. Wasn't it based on the weight/height of Frenchmen circa 1900 for insurance purposes? (Or something like that?)

Post: #42

I'll chime in with my experice here too.

I'm one of those guys that naturally skews skinny and since I eat healthy I often tend to stick around the 165 range.

A lower body injury put me out of the game for almost a year and as a result I shot up to 180. I'd say maybe I put on 3lbs of mucles during that time at the most.

As long as I had a shirt on the compliments like, "You look a hell of lot sexier now that you're not skinny" seemed to be free flowing.

I think what goes on is that as long as youre not a fat ass your added weight gain gets perceived as muscle when you are cloaked in a long sleeve shirt.

The girls just see wider shoulders and larger arms. They aren't smart enough to realise that your new 15" bicepts are 30% more flab....until it becomes beach season

Post: #43

(04-28-2014 02:18 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

The problem with that chart is that its still saying that a body where 1/4 of it is lard is "normal".

Post: #44

V neck season is upon us

Post: #45

(04-28-2014 08:14 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  V neck season is upon us

Post: #46

(04-28-2014 08:24 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

(04-28-2014 08:14 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  V neck season is upon us

I was gonna post that You beat me to it

Post: #47

(04-28-2014 06:58 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(04-28-2014 02:18 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

The problem with that chart is that its still saying that a body where 1/4 of it is lard is "normal".

Yeah right, the last "slightly overweight" guy definitely has some small titties. What has our society come to.