Post: #1

A lot of bullshit here, but some accidental truth telling too...

Post: #2

Every mannerism and word that comes out of that group of bitches mouths just irritates the fuck out of me.

The "girl" in pink who has the resemblance of a transsexual says "like" 6 times in under 10 seconds when talking about how the dude needs to step up with amazing conversation. We can all like guess how much intelligent banter shes like going to like add to the conversation.

The only girl speaking any truth is at the 2:00 mark but nothing she says is revolutionary.

Post: #3

Jariel - my man why do we need another Toronto thread? You planning on swinging by?

Yes, loads of bullshit being spewed but the one gold nuggett is that "looks" matter.

Post: #4

(06-10-2013 11:27 AM)jariel Wrote:  



A lot of bullshit here, but some accidental truth telling too...

^These Toronto chicks sound annoying as hell. They don't even have clue what they want in a man. Plus, all those chicks seem to be in giant girl groups, so it is not like they are even looking for a man...they seem to be at the club to have a "girls night." Ugh.

Post: #5

(06-10-2013 12:17 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  so it is not like they are even looking for a man...they seem to be at the club to have a "girls night." Ugh.

All women want to meet someone that turns them on and excites them. There is no such thing as a woman that is only out for a girl's night out and doesn't wish to meet someone cool and fun. (Except the monogamous ones in relationships already.)

The only question is whether or not that guy is you. If she tells you she isn't there to meet a guy, what she means is that you haven't shown her to be the guy that she IS hoping to meet.

Post: #6

(06-10-2013 12:51 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  All women want to meet someone that turns them on and excites them. There is no such thing as a woman that is only out for a girl's night out and doesn't wish to meet someone cool and fun. (Except the monogamous ones in relationships already.)

So how are you going to fuck the girl in the middle of the pack sitting between 12 of her friends who doesn't move from the couch all night when her girlfriends are calling you creepy and interrupting you every 10 seconds?

Post: #7

(06-10-2013 12:51 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  All women want to meet someone that turns them on and excites them. There is no such thing as a woman that is only out for a girl's night out and doesn't wish to meet someone cool and fun. (Except the monogamous ones in relationships already.)

The only question is whether or not that guy is you. If she tells you she isn't there to meet a guy, what she means is that you haven't shown her to be the guy that she IS hoping to meet.

Sure, but this phenomenon of girls going out to clubs in big all female herds is relatively new. Back in the 80's and 90's when girls talked about "going clubbing", it is with a best friend or a couple of close friends.

Girls also put out more overt signs of openness to being approached back then. Now girls will face each other, dance in tight groups, or sit with their backs turned to everyone comparing pictures or slouched over messing around with their phones.

Post: #8

(06-10-2013 12:51 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

(06-10-2013 12:17 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  so it is not like they are even looking for a man...they seem to be at the club to have a "girls night." Ugh.

All women want to meet someone that turns them on and excites them. There is no such thing as a woman that is only out for a girl's night out and doesn't wish to meet someone cool and fun. (Except the monogamous ones in relationships already.)

The only question is whether or not that guy is you. If she tells you she isn't there to meet a guy, what she means is that you haven't shown her to be the guy that she IS hoping to meet.

Easy to say but good luck pulling a girl who's at the club with 6 of her friends. Make a data sheet if you're consistently doing that.

Post: #9

LOL. Three replies missed the point. Why are you guys on the attack? I didn't say it was easy. All I said was that everyone is interested in meeting someone that adds something to their lives. When a girl says she's not interested in meeting guys, what she means is that she doesn't think you're not that guy. Maybe you she didn't give you the chance to show her. Maybe you failed. Maybe 100 things, but for whatever reason, the only reason she says she's not interested in meeting guys is because she did not (or was not able to) see a guy that would add value to her life.

Post: #10

(06-10-2013 01:46 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  LOL. Three replies missed the point. Why are you guys on the attack?

Because its pretty obvious you've never tried to pick up a girl at a bar surrounded by a bunch of friends before. This comment you made below has all kinds of stupid in it:

Quote:There is no such thing as a woman that is only out for a girl's night out and doesn't wish to meet someone cool and fun. (Except the monogamous ones in relationships already.)

So in this video there is a L shaped couch and that pack of girls is about 10 deep. Explain how you are going to fuck one of those girls that is sitting on the couch surrounded by 9 of her friends.

Post: #11

As mentioned before, Toronto is on a whole new level. Trying to game a girl in a group of 3 or more people is suicide, it is like going to war with a handgun. This past weekend I was out in some lounge, some cougar was thrown 50 questions at me - even asked me if I was gay. WTF

Nightclubs in the city are a complete waste of time, you have to attack the women when their guard's are down. Even guys I know are starting to talk about daygaming and street game at night.

Post: #12

Girls are the worst at giving advice on anything except makeup and women's clothing. Don't ever take advice from chicks.

Funny, the bartender near the end of the clip says in response to "what should nice guys do?" says, "Just keep what you're doing, eventually the right girl will come along and the girl that deserves you will appreciate it." Funny.

Post: #13

Their theme music, sad.

Post: #14

The bartender was probably the most honest. She was point-blank regarding looks - of course they matter. It's the reason why you step to a chick in the first place, and it's your looks that initially gets her to listen to whatever it is you have to say. When you ask these chicks what a guy should say, they simply can't put into words what they want to hear. "Just be yourself" comes out a lot, which we know isn't an answer at all. One chick did say something accurate - you shouldn't shower girls with complements about her looks right off the bat. Don't call her sexy, don't tell her she's beautiful. A couple of them gave good advice about starting off with a simple question. Then ask her name, then build from there. One of the first chicks said he'd have to buy her a drink first, so I guess I wouldn't get very far with her...hahaha!

Post: #15

The biggest number 1 problem - is that TO girls especially in clubs - have been inflicted a mental illness (it really is a medical serious condition) -- and that mental illness is called "entitlement.'

They suffer from a huge over evaluation of self mental malady. At the same time, they have incredibly weak characters. They have weak mental will and no discipline in their personal lives. They also feel they are still victims and are oppressed by men.

Put all that together -- and behind the make up, they are deranged girls. The only thing they have is their vaginas that keeps a constant supply of hungry men who have not been laid for a long time.

It is a total losing battle -- going to clubs. Nothing is going to change that. The bet thing TO men can do is stop going to clubs as a whole. Asking deranged girls in clubs their opinions on how men should approach them is totally dumb.

Post: #16

Girls that say "just be yourself" don't understand how the average man's brain is wired. And never will.

Post: #17

I can't stand that "you have to buy me a drink" shit. I don't know why. Even if I became a billionaire overnight, it would still get on my nerves. I guess it's because a girl is telling me what I have to do to just talk to her haha.

Post: #18

I've posted on here before about The Girls in Mixed Sets/The Big Group of Girls phenomenon as an arms-race defense against the increased quality and quantity of night-game cold approaches:

Quote:I've noticed in America that girls are found more and more only in large, mixed sets--which provide more barriers to entry and cock-blocks. In the northeast, at least.

I think this is a pretty expected reaction to the increased public knowledge of "game" and thus the increased frequency and skill level of approaches from guys.

It's an arms-race between guys trying to get in girls' pants and girls trying to prevent anyone but top-tier males from touching their precious eggs.

Post: #19

To Canadians:

How representative is the quality in that vid? I know that that is probably a high-end club, but I saw some decent quality in that vid (aside from the tranny looking blonde), so even though they have shitty attitudes and are in giant groups, they do at least look bangable. I don't think the quality is that high in DC (at city TO is often compared to), even in the high-end clubs.

Post: #20

(06-10-2013 09:33 PM)Kabal Wrote:  I've posted on here before about The Girls in Mixed Sets/The Big Group of Girls phenomenon as an arms-race defense against the increased quality and quantity of night-game cold approaches:

Quote:I've noticed in America that girls are found more and more only in large, mixed sets--which provide more barriers to entry and cock-blocks. In the northeast, at least.

I think this is a pretty expected reaction to the increased public knowledge of "game" and thus the increased frequency and skill level of approaches from guys.

It's an arms-race between guys trying to get in girls' pants and girls trying to prevent anyone but top-tier males from touching their precious eggs.

I think that's only a factor. We shouldn't exaggerate how pervasive game is among men in this country.

I've argued this elsewhere, but my position is that women are going out in large groups paradoxically as a form of social cocooning. They're insulating themselves from approaches by strangers and keep to their social circles by going out in herds. It's the same impulse behind young girls always having ear buds on, or playing with their smartphones during any idle moment in public. They're signalling they're less open to being engaged.

Girls have become more likely to fuck guys in their social circle than new guys they meet in bars and clubs than they were a generation ago. The irony of the game movement is that it came too late. If it had arrived in say in the 80's it would have had a bigger impact on beta men's lives.

Post: #21

(06-10-2013 09:39 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  To Canadians:

How representative is the quality in that vid? I know that that is probably a high-end club, but I saw some decent quality in that vid (aside from the tranny looking blonde), so even though they have shitty attitudes and are in giant groups, they do at least look bangable. I don't think the quality is that high in DC (at city TO is often compared to), even in the high-end clubs.

You don't have to go far to find this kind of quality in the clubs. Trouble is when you see them in the daylight you will see their flaws and realize they are bimbo's with nothing to say.

Post: #22

The two bartenders had decent advise. The attention whores at the table made me gag. "He has to buy me a drink." Bitch please. I wish more dudes where like us. I'm pretty sure a majority of us would tell that girl to get fucked and approach another, better looking girl, once she asked for a drink. Unfortunately, there are tons of guys that would buy that girl a drink within 2 minutes of talking to her (which probably doesn't get them too far), which is why she thinks this behavior is okay. Not one time ever when I was in Brazil for six months, did a girl ever ask me to buy her a drink. What did happen though was girls actually turned down drink offers after we had been talking all night or even been on a couple dates.

I refuse to buy a girl a drink if she asks for it and it's our first time meeting. And I shit you not, I've probably had more girls buy me drinks than I've bought them excluding girlfriends. One of the girls I'm hooking up with now treats me often at the bar. I'll buy for her too but much less often than she buys for me. She also let me borrow her car for a week while she was out of town.

Post: #23

(06-10-2013 09:39 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  To Canadians:

How representative is the quality in that vid? I know that that is probably a high-end club, but I saw some decent quality in that vid (aside from the tranny looking blonde), so even though they have shitty attitudes and are in giant groups, they do at least look bangable. I don't think the quality is that high in DC (at city TO is often compared to), even in the high-end clubs.

Toronto has talent, especially in the warmer months for sure. Talent is never an issue, maybe fatties being so bold to think they can show their rolls out in the club, but in general girls here are good.

If anything that bar was not at the top. You come trough a good lounge and you'll see hot chics. Walking downtown in key spots you'll run into good talent, the city has women that has never been the issue.

They have toxic minds though that's the thing. My best lead right now is some chic with a BF, that's how game works here. Single women are so dilusional only attached women have any (small) sense of where they stand.

Post: #24

(06-10-2013 09:39 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  To Canadians:

How representative is the quality in that vid? I know that that is probably a high-end club, but I saw some decent quality in that vid (aside from the tranny looking blonde), so even though they have shitty attitudes and are in giant groups, they do at least look bangable. I don't think the quality is that high in DC (at city TO is often compared to), even in the high-end clubs.

Toronto does have a lot of quality in terms of looks, and one of the benefits of being the most diverse city on the planet is that you have a lot of attractive mixed girls, and a higher tolerance of interracial dating.

However, when you then weigh out all the other negatives that have been discussed before, the city itself becomes much less attractive for single men.

One aspect that most people don't focus on, is that Canadians are also at very high personal debt levels right now. Toronto and Vancouver (and to a lesser extent, other major cities) have faced a large housing/condo bubble that is finally starting to turn.

With so many broke women, especially those who have moved to the city in hopes of better jobs, you see even more emphasis on getting free drinks, dinners, etc. when they sense a man who is eager to please.

Post: #25

(06-10-2013 10:17 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  The two bartenders had decent advise. The attention whores at the table made me gag. "He has to buy me a drink." Bitch please. I wish more dudes where like us. I'm pretty sure a majority of us would tell that girl to get fucked and approach another, better looking girl, once she asked for a drink. Unfortunately, there are tons of guys that would buy that girl a drink within 2 minutes of talking to her (which probably doesn't get them too far), which is why she thinks this behavior is okay.

How many guys do you think have decent night game in the US? It seems like many guys with solid game don't even care to go to clubs/bars anymore from what I read in the LA thread.