Post: #51

Good thread. I almost never get white-hot leads, but one def. correlation is the amount of time spent with a girl. About 1 hr= white-hot. 20-30 mins= Strong lead. 15 mins to 2 mins- Medium lead. 2 mins or less- Weak lead.

Who wants to spend 1hr w/some random chick unless shes a dope, fun girl. I don't meet many like that ever. Most are boring, except for their youth/prettiness.

Post: #52

Who gets the last text you or her?

Post: #53

@dvy run the numbers.

1. Maybe 1 hour straight is better if it means you are closing versus 3 twenty minute interactions that leave you goosed
2. Texted you about the connection thing, using the same date = limits pool usually. Find some crap that makes her giggle and happy = lock it up

Smiley faces = ready to bang. Maybe that's why girls hate them from guys, bc they view them as desperation

Post: #54

First of all, absolute great breakdown on hot versus medium leads by WestCoast. That's practically a data sheet in and of itself.

(06-03-2013 08:54 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I also rely on picture texts.

It's part of "lifestyle game." (That is, if you live a good life game is simply about making a girl pine to be part of it.)

Text a girl a picture of a rooftop bar you're at with an ocean view, with nothing else, and she will be sad she is not with you.

Face it, other than brunch...What do girls do during the day? Nothing. They are boring.

A cool picture without any words and they want to be where you are.

This is what I'm talking about. You really encapsulate the reasoning for why the "lifestyle" approach of texting and carefully selected picture messages can be so effective. Most girls lives are fucking boring. Their excitement is drama with their friends or a happy hour where they had guys hitting on them, or going out dancing or to a cool sushi restaurant.

Anyone with any real experience in life realizes that hanging out with great friends or even just having a nice dinner can be one of the nicer things in life, but that going for a hike and witnessing the picturesque sunset, or catching a ride on someone's sailboat, or getting exclusive access to super hot nightclub with the best DJ spinning, or just about anything unique can be an absolute blast.

There are experiences you can get through just being a social, risk-taking, adventurous person that you would have a hard time paying money to make happen otherwise. These experiences usually blow away whatever a girl has done in the past week and probably many months. If you can give them little glimpses of these experiences, they are instantly intrigued and jealous of your life. They want to be a part of it. You have a unique, uncaged, exhilarating life and she won't want to miss out on being a guest in your world.

If you build your life up, things that are just everyday for you can be exciting for her and her normal mundane life. Fuck, I've had girls jealous just because I popped open a beer in my office and took a picture of it that looked really appealing just sitting on my desk.

You can't imagine how boring girls lives are until you've interacted with a lot of them. Realize too that this is because most guys are boring as fuck. It's not just the girls being boring, but the men in their lives are really boring too. These guys make it easier for you! The G calls these guys "weesh" and they are your best wingmen.

(06-03-2013 08:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I haven't used that one in years. Thanks for reminding me. I have to read some of my old-school writings more often.

Hah, my memory is not great, but it really felt like one of your moves, thanks for confirming that.

(06-04-2013 11:17 AM)Gustavo Wrote:  Who gets the last text you or her?

Just like the 3/1 rule and the concept that you should keep your texts very concise and don't bother correcting all spelling/punctuation, this is a general guideline. It doesn't bother me at all if I'm the last text, however I do make a conscious effort to have it happen less than half the time. There are SO many reasons that your text can end up being the last text, that you shouldn't be that concerned about it unless you're not that great at calibration.

Post: #55

phone exchange:
- i take number based on some thing we have in common. i already know a bit about her usual schedule so i try to set up our date in advance [future projections portray us 'together' which builds comfort - good MM tip].
- i ask "so what's my name?". if she can't remember i call her out on it kind of jokingly but not really [makes her to invest at least emotionally].
- i call her phone on the spot. either i tell her to save me as some absurd nickname or i take her phone and do it myself [nickname makes me stand out more and anchors me with fun].
- i repeat out plans. if she's not sure then i'll set up a date over the phone.

hour(s) after we meet:
- i text her basic thing relevant to our previous conversation like "your opinion/point of view got me thinking". simple statement. i don't expect any response. if she responds it's going well.

one day later:
- when i'm on the move/outside i call in the afternoon/evening to tell her something interesting. short and sweet. if i feel we get along well then "let's meet on xxx day". we meet close to my/her place. if she's not down then i end the call I take more fancy road....

following days [optional] :
- i send flirty/funny texts in few days but still add the offer to meet. if that fails too then i only send occasional flirty texts with casual invitations in the place i'm already going to [i'm going to xyz you're welcome..]. if it goes nowhere it means i picked the wrong girl. but if she come out weeks later

the day of our date:
- in the middle of the day i text "see you at xxx place. crazy day, let's met at xxx hour. i can only imagine you in that dress.." [i change the time of meeting slightly just to see if she is available that day. also, the dress thing is relevant to our conversation we had before, i almost always talk about what kind of clothes i like girls to wear]

Post: #56

@Westcost- good text. Yea, I agree in principle, but logistics is a nightmare in LA. I keep it all in my hood or at max 10 mins driving. This limits variety. Nothing is worse than spending 2hrs in traffic for a date. Pass.

Sushi is really the all-purpose date for almost every girl. You touched on this briefly- avocados and SWPL- ha.

Summer-time broadens my game to heated pool+drinks game. Or dive bar+ hookah bar. Or a nice hike.

Edit- I should add that I am a sushi fiend. And i know how to pitch the sushi correctly. I pitch like this- "Freshest fish in LA. Some rolls that come out on fire. Best sake- tastes like milky cantaloupe, and chefs that love me" Girls get off to food porn. There is a whole channel exclusively for food porn- The Food Channel.

Post: #57

Mine is simple and works everytime.

me: I told you I would text you later.

Then I follow up either later or the next day.

Another thing, I don't see why some of you guys are so hardcore against texting. The majority of girls I am seeing right now hit me up solely thru text.

Post: #58

Here is another example of a Medium hot lead from the same script this was this week as you can tell by the June stamp.

I text my name.

She responds immediately with a smiley face (this is gold), however she is giving me more words saying she was drunk (she wasn't but a good excuse for the 2am smiley response). I take this as a slightly softer sign of attraction because she is giving herself an out so i stick with "I will call you in a few days" but give her some approval "wonderful to meet you" because she is happy to see my name.

I called. She didnt pick up I left a voicemail.

"Hey (her name) this is WestCoast, give me a call or shoot me a text and we can go do something exciting soon"

(Player tip #2, always use the girl's name when leaving a voice mail, everyone loves hearing their own name. Player tip #3 link an emotion into the sentence voicemail. I leave the voicemail in a happy tone, not an excited to be leaving a voicemail tone. Tone is key)

Moving down the text you see she responds with excitement (emotionally charged the voice mail by using the word exciting on purpose), however, she is apologizing, this is a positive and means she either got flustered or really would have picked up and was just busy.

Moving on I learn she is in marketing, this means this girl gets hit on 24/7/365 and is looking for some fairy tale level game. Better become that dream guy. You see this mindset when she uses the word "diary" rather than "calendar". Another +1 for not dating real corporate drone sluts who always have "calendars" and "business events".

As mentioned I go straight to logistics by figuring out her schedule. "Cool when you free?"

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The cut out piece above is the same message, so keep the same time stamp in mind, notice i do not "wait her out" i just respond. Blah blah jibber jabber. The smiley faces come back so she wants to meet I just need to correctly get her out on a closing day, so i tell her to choose a Saturday and pretend i don't understand her block message, locking her into an actual date.

Once she clarifies the dates I now immediately lock in the Saturday (she tried to pry me into a Sunday - just ignore), I don't have time to be taking girls out to brunch.

In addition, she gives me the city and I ignore that and just focus on a more glamorous part of the state. Now during her trip when she's going to be most annoyed (Monday), I'll send her a photo of said city next to a photo of me on the beach and say "Which one is better hmmmm..."

She'll undoubtedly give me another smiley + ! point response because they have returned and after 2-3 messages like this i'll simply say "nice, see ya Saturday"

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(Player tip #4 try to get fancy locations, rapport/camraderie going through photos so she'll now associate you with cool things, beaches, wine etc. Player Tip#5 she always leaves the last text message in a girly fashion or it ends with you locking in a date)

Post: #59

(06-03-2013 03:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I have the SwiftKey app. It auto-capitalizes, auto-punctuates, auto-spells, everything. My texts are pristine without trying. But girls generally return the effort.

Whats your opinion on android vs iphone? I've been rocking the note 2 and actually really like the functionality, size and battery life but I feel like it gets too many comments and weird vibes because its so oddly big. I have developed a bit of a script around the comments I get, but think the attention isn't really positive.

Overall I like android but feel like iphone is actually a safer accessory for dealing with girls.

Post: #60

(06-04-2013 10:22 PM)tpiddy Wrote:  

(06-03-2013 03:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I have the SwiftKey app. It auto-capitalizes, auto-punctuates, auto-spells, everything. My texts are pristine without trying. But girls generally return the effort.

Whats your opinion on android vs iphone? I've been rocking the note 2 and actually really like the functionality, size and battery life but I feel like it gets too many comments and weird vibes because its so oddly big. I have developed a bit of a script around the comments I get, but think the attention isn't really positive.

Overall I like android but feel like iphone is actually a safer accessory for dealing with girls.

I'll chime in even though this was directed at Roosh. I work in the tech industry and have used both platforms extensively. Android has a strong following in the tech community for its "openness" (opensource software) and customization. iOS is more for the layman given its simplicity, but is very solid all around. Both platforms run on great hardware. What it all comes down to is the software. The App store for iOS is far superior in my opinion. I also like how their devices play nicely with other Apple products (as they should). This is referred to as the "ecosystem" and Apple got the head start on Google. If you like Android then I would stick with it, but change your device. The Note is awesome, but awkwardly big. I recommend the Samsung Galaxy S and HTC One. They're both sexy phones with large screens, so the downsizing wont be that noticeable if you switch. The iPhone is pretty much the standard that all other phones are judged by, so you cant go wrong with it either. One feature I really like is in iMessage. Since most women have an iPhone you can see when they've read your text, and when they're typing a reply, and vice versa (some might say this is a bad thing here). It's also easy to exchange contact information and send media (dick pics, etc). PM me if you want more advice, but you really cant go wrong with either platform these days.

Post: #61

(06-03-2013 01:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You already know mine. I keep it simple and mostly about logistics. No jokes, stories, and sparing use of smiley faces.

I'm curious what you guys do.

I use Roosh's pretty much verbatim. It has been probably the best escalation point from initial meet to move things forward for me, and I suspect where most guys f-up. You get 1 chance to make a first (or 2nd in this case) impression, and done right can be the clincher DHV that sets the tone all the way to the bang, and squashes her impression of you as being a needy guy.

Post: #62

I've experimented with WestCoast and Giovanny's text game and have used this basic script for EE girls that I meet during the day:

Me (15-60 minutes after meeting): "Nice meeting you.. Roosh"
Her: "Nice meeting you too "
Me: "I'll give you a call tomorrow" or "I'll contact you tomorrow"

I call the next day around 3pm. Usually no answer, then I send a text:

Me: "How about we meet tonight at 8pm? I know of a nice bar."
Her: "Okay where?"

Then lock in the plans. That's pretty much it. I haven't done this script as much at night yet.

Benefit over my previous script is that I know within one hour how good the prospect is. If a girl likes you, she will respond within an hour and the chance of a date is over 70%. I was surprised that many girls won't respond to the first text, even though you JUST met her and she seemed enthusiastic about giving her number. In that case, it's a deadend (I've tried sending additional texts a couple days later, but don't get a response).

Another benefit to the quick text after meeting is that is keeps the prospect warm, especially from day meets. Waiting two days to contact after a day meet may not be optimal, because unlike when meeting at night, the rapport/attraction is milder. I will continue experimenting with this script.

Thanks to everyone for sharing their strategies.

Post: #63

swooped this chick who was extra cute and had dudes drooling at her feet.

Me: *girls name*, it's me ;-)
Girl: hey hun! how are you?
Me: excellent, what u up to?
Girl: *something about cooking in her grandmother's kitchen*
Me: neg about how she burns water
Girl: *defends herself*
Me: *pretends not to believe her*
Girl: *more adamant about defending herself*
Me: *no response for two hours, oops lol*
Girl: XY!
Me: *ignores her calling my name and tells her to prove it.*
Girl: ok, i will!
Me: *tells her what to cook and then spits logistics.. my house of course ;-)*
Girl: *shows up 20 mins early and basically carves another notch in my bedpost*

After lay..

Me: *calls her name*
Girl: huh? *ecstasy eyes*
Me: The food was better than i thought
Girl: *laughs* told you

Post: #64

If I had a good connection, I follow the text guide. If it was iffy, I use a text to judge her interest like Roissy talks about. I've been using the "falling down the stairs story" a lot lately.

today I was walking and texting near the station and a little kid ran in front if me so i kind if jumped over him but i fell and rolled down the stairs and a group of old ladies laughed at me

I can judge interest by how quickly she responds, and it's not a story that will risk any long winded conversation. I've been having really good luck with this.

Post: #65

I also think the time you text is very important.

I would text too late for certain girls.

If she is not a party girl type then before 7pm would be best for initial text.

If she is is not a party type girl and she is texting after 9pm set up date.

If she is a party girl---good luck!!

Post: #66

This is my go-to. Works in both the states and Europe with about a 25% flake rate.

I usually send my first text the next morning:

me: hey! it's porter. save my number so i dont feel like an idiot when i call you later :p
her: ok lol

I use swiftkey too but I purposely remove all capitalization and screw up some minor punctuation. It makes me look more aloof and playful.

I'll then call her 2-3 days later with the purpose of setting up our next date.

Alternatively if she's much younger I'll follow this script:

me: hey! it's porter. save my number :)
her: ok

2-3 days later (pref a Tuesday), I'll text her again:

me: hey! friday was fun :)
her: blah blah blah
me: blah blah blah
her: blah blah blah

me: so what does your schedule look like this week?
her: I'm studying for a test but Friday I'm free
me: okay, let's meet at xyz bar at 8
her: sounds good
me: ill text you on friday to confirm
her: ok ;)

I try to pick the same location I met her at. She probably lives nearby and it avoids going back and forth on location.

My timing is always very slow. I try and text on days I'm working hard, at the gym or playing golf. I'll leave my phone purposely out of sight and sporadically check it for her responses. I also always try and let her be the last person to text me back. You don't have to respond to everything she sends you. Especially if she sent you a long text. It plants a seed in her head that she screwed up.

Open to suggestions but it's worked great for me.

Post: #67

When I get the number I almost always do one of two things:

1. I give them my # and tell them to call me so I can save theirs
2. I text them, about 50/50 with just my name, haven't noticed a big difference.

Then the next day, I'll text them "What's up" I don't add my name, because if they don't remember it more often then not they'll ask, or ask for a pic. Keeps you from getting instantly iced out of they associate your name with something negative. The "Whats up" has a very high response rate for me.

Post: #68

*Texting - Calling girls in Colombia*

Since I've been here a while now I can give some solid advice. First of all, girls' responses are unpredictable so my priority would be to call AND text. Keep texting at a minimum unless the girls have WhatsApp. This is news considering any older threads on Colombia suggest using MSN or Skype. WhatsApp is widely popular in Colombia now.

The initially text should be to send your first name. If you don't get a response then you should only call for future communication. You can also text to provide notification if you don't need a response. If the girl has WhatsApp you can chat as you wish, but still CALL to set a date. It is still common in Colombia for girls not to call due to the cost, even if they use WhatsApp, because they'll just use it where wi-fi is available. So expect a one ring call if the girls wants to hear from you.

When you plan a date, you can do so one day early (so the girls is hygienically prepared) or even the same day. I never go for the pre-pago type or the ones that complain about money from the get-go. So chances are that the girl studies or works and Colombians seem to work many hours. I've heard 48hrs/week on average therefore Saturday seems to be the only date night available.

This becomes obviously difficult if you want to organize a harem to visit you several days during the week. I've learned to be persuasive to make a date during the week. Suggest a nearby location near the girl's job right after work just for 1 drink and chit-chat. You can easily escalate from there.
You can add this phrase for persuasion:
"I'm sure you had a tough day work, let's sit down for a drink and relax for a bit."

Now referring back to calling techniques, I mentioned it can have unpredictable results because, I've set a date with a girl one week in advanced, but when the day arrived, she said she was busy and tomorrow would be better. I didn't provide any emotional response other than, "Ok, you prefer tomorrow, then I'll talk to you later."

She called with 1 ring, the next day but I just ignored it due to her flake. I've already hooked up with her on a 2nd date but I didn't want to seem attached as she's an 8 and likely has a bunch of betas providing for her.

Another unpredictable response I got was calling/texting a girl I met in the day time for a few minutes. We agreed to meet Sunday during our first encounter, so I texted her with no response. Then I called in the afternoon and she agreed to meet. Five minutes later she called and canceled, albeit we did meet the next day.

A 3rd example, using WhatsApp, a girl suggested "to watch a movie" so I asked when and got Friday as a response. I told her to let me know what time when Friday comes, but I haven't heard from her.

Post: #69

1 - I never contact on the same day. Every time I do it fails. Also shows her I have more things to do than think about her.

2 - Text from day after as soon as I have time to schedule something. I never give them something non-specific like "lets do something this week". I always text with time and location for meeting.

3 - I know my game is better in eye to eye contact so I don't waste time in texting until we meet and I keep it to the bear minimum until it happens.

4 - I usually invite her to something I am doing and not to something we are doing. "Hey, I'm meeting some friends at <Bar> at 8PM, come join me." (this one isn't a really hard rule, but goes with the concept of bringing her into my life and not mine into hers)

These rules usually work well for me.

Post: #70

Agree with what's been said. Point of texting is to meet in person.

My template is usually name, place, meetup.

Name - so she has my # and know who I am. Usually I include a brief reminder.
"Hey it's Eric, aka pet shop douche."

Then general question of when she's free.
"What are you up to this week?"

Then meetup time as direct request.
"Come have a drink with me tonight."
"Let's meetup Thursday."

If she flakes, ignores, one or two random funny attention getting texts.

As far as building comfort/attraction on the phone, I'm not the best (getting better) and plan to steal from this thread. Had success recently getting girls to invest by asking for a cell phone pic of what they look like now and escalating slowly to nudes. Good screening for dtf too.

Post: #71

My "scripts" are always different depending on the broad

High-powered Corporate broads: Get direct, somewhat bossy texts. That want to be directed & almost commanded because of the control/power that they have to wield over their subordinates day in and day out. To the point, matter of fact. Scarce.

Homegirl/Round da' way Broad: "Comfort" text Game, she needs that saccharine vibe but with a manly touch, humor helps, but I NEVER dumb my shit down for her. If it's over her head, she doesn't make the cut.

Overeager girl: Flirty from the gate, bold & assumptive

Post: #72

(06-03-2013 02:23 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  I send this text immediately after she puts her number in my phone:

Christian McQueen the sexy muthafucka u met at XYZ club/bar/restaurant

They tend to laugh, hit my arm etc and it establishes 3 things:

1. Gives her my name
2. WHERE we met. I've learned to take nothing for granted and a hot girl could be giving her number out 20x a night
3. 'Sexy muthafucka' establishes in a tongue in cheek manner that I see myself as higher than the other guys in the spot and shows strong confidence.

I've been using that for over a year and my conversions have been better so going to stick with it.

After getting close to the bang, and unable to diffuse heavy LMR- grabbed her number before parting ways. Used this opening text. 2 mins later, received a response of, 'Hahahaha'

Post: #73

Do you leave a message if she does not answer? What do u do of they dont answer?

Post: #74

(06-03-2013 03:00 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I meet a girl and get her number. Depending on how much chemistry we shared and what we talked about about might text her 10 minutes later, an hour later, 2-3 hours later, later that night or the next day. I never wait more then 24-30 hours to send that first text.

A few examples:

me: "nice chatting with you -- Gio"
her: thanks, you too"
me: "lets have a drink or something later in the week"
her: "sounds good"

Then, I will text her the very next day or 2 days later..

me: "hey how did your thing go?"
her: "pretty good"
me: "congrats, what are you doing for dinner later, wanna go to the taco place?"
her: "not tonight, how bout thursday?
me: "okay, text you thursday afternoon"
her: "cool"

*****

Me: "good luck with that thing -- Gio"
her: "thank you, nice meeting you"
me "lets continue our chat later this week"
her: "ok"
me: "i have a soccer game wednesday night if you wanna come, we can get tacos after"
her: "k, i'll let you know"

*****

me: "nice meeting you -- Gio"
her: "you too"
me: "that was random but cool"
her: "i know right"
me: "that guy on the train was so funny"
her: "kind of weird"
me: "very weird, are you free saturday? Wanna get brunch at the farmers market?"
her: "how old are you"
me: "29, you?
her: "18
me: "you seem mature
her: "I've never dated anyone over 23"
me: "me neither"
her: "lol"
me: "we'll get smoothies and walk across the bridge"
her: k, text me later

*****

me: "hey christina, nice chatting with you"
her: "hi gio, how was your game?"
me: "amazing, now im home bbqing some fish"
her: "have fun"
me: "i will, lets hang soon"
her: "im not free til next week"
me: "k, i'll text you soon"
her: "ok"

*****

me: "Gio"
her: "Amanda"
me: "you're funny"
her: "why?"
me: "what you said to that guy"
her: "he was weird"
me: "lol, wanna get coffee tmw?"
her: "what time?

Basic stuff like that. Short and sweet. A little chit-chat and then set the date! If she won't commit to seeing me again, she is usually not interested.

I often bait them with offers of food. College girls are hungry and the food on campus sucks.

I like this comfort approach. What about re establishing comfort if you're texting a week or so later after radio silence ( let's say she was going out of town and just got back)

Something like

Me: Hey, how was the trip to Omaha?
Her: Great!
Me: Cool. Let's grab a coffee this week...we can talk Russian lit. and baseball. ( assuming your first conversation was about this)

Do you think this comfort stuff is effective when you're in setting the date after the initial texts? especially if it's been a while since last contact?

Post: #75

(06-15-2014 11:06 AM)robreke Wrote:  I like this comfort approach. What about re establishing comfort if you're texting a week or so later after radio silence ( let's say she was going out of town and just got back)

Something like

Me: Hey, how was the trip to Omaha?
Her: Great!
Me: Cool. Let's grab a coffee this week...we can talk Russian lit. and baseball. ( assuming your first conversation was about this)

You have the right idea but this is too fast.

You ask her -- "how was your trip?"

She replies -- "great"

Then, you ask her out. That's too fast.

I would first ask her a question or two about the trip..

"how was the food? I heard the bbq is great in nebraska" (this is good if you talked about food previously)

"did you catch any baseball games" (this is good if you talked about baseball previously)

Have a brief chat with her. One question is not a chat. It's not enough to build comfort.

(06-15-2014 11:06 AM)robreke Wrote:  Do you think this comfort stuff is effective when you're in setting the date after the initial texts? especially if it's been a while since last contact?

Yes, if you haven't talked to her in a while, it's very important that you built a little comfort before mentioning a "date".

Like you said, it good to bring up things that you guys previously talked about.

The best things to bring up are her interests and passions. They always respond to that stuff.