Post: #1

I recently posted an article concerning a region of Norway where two young Norwegian men recount their experience of growing up with immigrants who attack and bully them because of their limited familial protection due to single parents and the fact that the immigrants have extensive "clans" if you will.

Here is an excerpt from the article describing how how societal conditioning of respecting everybody, not being xenophobic, etc, has led to their stories being stamped out of the debate in public discourse.

"Andreas says that he feels betrayed. And his conversation with the journalists from Finansavisen is the first time that adults let him speak freely, the first time that he doesn’t have to hold back and place restrictions on himself. He says that he wants to become an actor. He wants to make a movie. Maybe a movie about the real “our valley”. He says that he wants to join the HV youth (the youth division of the National Guard). “He wants the uniform. He craves the authority that a uniform gives. No one messes with a soldier.”

Finansavisen’s reporters suggest that adolescence can be tough for everybody, and they wonder how much of it is actually about growing up in the valley and how much is trauma that many adolescents experience, such as differentness, loneliness and exclusion. They even ask them if they are paranoid — if there really is something to be afraid of. Maybe they have deliberately isolated themselves and gone into hiding and started worshipping imaginary horrors that have replaced reality?

The boys’ response is laughter:

They laugh. They smile. The journalists have not understood.

“It is not imagination when they shout after me, when they threaten me, when they hit me,” says Andreas.

“Are you afraid to walk around alone?”

“I’m not. Not any more,” says Marius.

“There are many places that I don’t go alone. Especially at night,” says Andreas.

We follow Andreas to the subway station.

“Do you see?” he says, and guides our attention to two immigrants. “Do you see how they stare back?”

He’s right. They do stare. We lower our gaze first.

Once again we hear the animal metaphors that permeates their language:

“They are like cats, says Andreas — cats never back down. They challenge you. I get so f***ing mad.”



Let that sink in. When the boys are confronted with, maybe your just being paranoid, they laugh. The attacks, the beatings, the threats, these things are not made up. This is a real story about real ethnic Norwegians who are fighting for their right to live in their own country. Growing up stories concerning natives fighting for their very survival were always my favorite. Sitting Bull taking down Custer at Little Big Horn, the battle of Thermopolye, among others, are great stories concerning how the underdog wins against the odds.

Even though the article I posted concerns real life stories, the very first comment was, "Do Not Read".

To the people who liked that comment, and the person who posted that, what is so wrong with me posting an article concerning the struggles of young men fighting for their lives in their homeland, being betrayed by their leaders and being attacked by gangs of marauding foreigners?

I've always believed in Doctor King's message of judging others on the content of their character and not on the color of their skin, and I still believe that. But the refusal of many to even recognize that racism is a two way street, that white's are not always the majority shacking down the minority, my experience in everyday life of other races treating their own with more regard than people who look like me, and the refusal of many to even READ about situations where whites are getting the shaft in their homelands, leads me to believe that Heartiste really is right.

It's not about right and wrong. It's not about equality, true diversity, treating everyone with respect. The modern liberal mindset is simply anti-white man. It's about shaming people who post real stories of struggle in multicultural communities rather whitewashed stories to make everything seem ok, even when real battles are taking place between cultures.

The disregard that people have for real debate concerning issues around immigration and multiculturalism promoting snide remarks and shaming techniques instead of actual critique leads to whites like me to become more distrustful of "others" not more trustful. Why should we not read what is really going on in the world? I don't understand the attitude of, "Well, this doesn't fit in with my worldview so I can't even be bothered to read it I have such a weak mind."

Post: #2

It was not a question of political correctness, but length of the article.

Also, most readers I believe are in the US, and a story about Norway that doesn't involve getting pussy isn't that interesting.

I think you are jumping to incorrect conclusions.

Post: #3

The simple answer, KorbenDallas, is that you posted a huge wall of text that most people don't care to take the time to read, even if what you post is relevant to current discussions and is discussionworthy in of itself.

Next time, you should format it a little better to make it easier to read. Break the paragraphs more, use bold in some points to delineate paragraphs so that it can be separated and read in chunks.

You would have been better off posting that as an RoK article.

Wald

Post: #4

If you could do a bullet point list, then post a link to the actual huge wall of text, that would foster discussion and be worth posting in.

Post: #5

I was in oslo and went too far on the bus and saw those places, somewhat shocking only because it wasnt in the tourist brochure. Getting your ass kicked for being a minority(of any color) is common human behavior. White kids in jerseycityor detroit certainly have similar experiences. Yeah colored minorities maybe saferin the burbs then whites in the hood, ohnoz unfair. But not news.

Post: #6

My point is I use to buy in a little bit of the whole white guilt thing, but now that I've lived in the "real" world so to speak, where I'm not going to school, but have to make my own way, the whole indoctrination most western schools put their men through really pisses me off.

Post: #7

Also, the points about formatting are good, I can be incredibly lazy concerning posting stuff on the internet. I'm more of a reader and lurker on the internet than a contributor, so, for future posts I'll step up my presentation.

Post: #8

I think part of problem is that it's translated article and also in a narrative style. Narrative-style journalism can always seem a bit daunting because it assumes some up-front commitment to read the whole thing and not be annoyed if the main point of the article is delayed. Add to that it's not originally written in English and a lot of people are going to be turned off by default.

If I had wanted to share that article, I would have posted a link and short description (1-2 sentences) along with a few select quotes (using quote tags) that would be sufficient to get a discussion started for the people who didn't want to read the whole thing.

Post: #9

Korben Dallas (love that name BTW), are you American? I'll assume you are.

As a white American I'd be careful trying to find common ground between the white Norweigan experience and the white American experience. The history of the USA in regards to race/culture/class is so much different than Europe that IMO a like-for-like comparison cannot be made.

The white European experience: Hundreds and thousands of years of racial and cultural homogeneity, recently changed by globalization, colonization, and made worse (IMO) by progressive elements in the government.

The white American experience: country is not even 250 years old, racial/cultural conflicts from the beginning (Euros vs. Indians), population expansion by way of African slavery and immigration of low class Euros (19th & 20th centuries).

Not a valid comparison.

Post: #10

These two lads feel the same way as Homo Neanderthalensis felt when your ancestors 'invaded' their habitat about 80,000 ago, wiping out the entire species.

I'm sorry, was that politically incorrect?