Post: #51

(05-07-2013 02:02 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  if in southern Georgia no doubt some Turks?.

No doubt. I've never been to south Georgia, but most coastal resorts there (like Gonio) are well-known sex-tourism meccas in summer for turk and armenian mongers. As a side note, about one million turk tourists visit Batumi every summer. Some 75 percent of the investments there (Batumi tries hard to become a kind of mini-Vegas) belong to Turkish companies. This includes hotels, casinos, ect.

I concur with what you said. Go where others don't and things are much more enthralling, interesting and fun.

As you said, Black Sea in summer is ugly. You are permanently surrounded by dozen and dozen thousands of cheap tourists dressed like slobs, be it foreigners on the western shores, or gopniki on the eastern shores. Ugh.

Post: #52

Great post.

(05-07-2013 02:45 PM)Prosal Wrote:  As you said, Black Sea in summer is ugly. You are permanently surrounded by dozen and dozen thousands of cheap tourists dressed like slobs, be it foreigners on the western shores, or gopniki on the eastern shores. Ugh.

People don't dress nice there?

No girls in short skirts and high heels?

Post: #53

This thread is starting to make my head spin.

For someone who's just bounced around major cities in Western Europe, there's a lot to digest here.

I feel like we should take the likes of Kamaki, Vorkuta, Prosal, put them in the same room and just sit back and listen to them discuss.

Post: #54

(05-07-2013 03:00 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  No girls in short skirts and high heels?

Touché ). Well, I would never consider a girl in short skirt as "dressed like a slob" )

Just a few personal thoughts about Krimea and russian girls:

Russian girls have holiday priorities, the most notable ones (besides french Riviera) being sun and sand "hip" exotic destinations ...Koh Samui, Goa, Bali, Dubai, ect ...and bragging rights about having gone somewhere "cool". 

Krimea (or Turkey for that matter) is for "poor" lower middle class girls. Something like "Oh Natasha, you have been to Krimea this summer, with the poor people? ..... hmmm, I feel sorry for you .... me, I was in Bali, look at the photos I took in Ubud..". For mid-to-upper class Russians or Ukrainians, Krimea is a no-go area. I would never talk about Krimea or about Turkey to a well-heeled Russian or Ukrainian dyev. I would immediatly be considered a loser and my sex appeal would plummet.

As a side note, Ukraine is the 8th most visited country in Europe with some 20 millions inbound tourists each year. One can imagine that most of them are cheap vacationers going to the Black Sea during summer months. Add a few millions of lower-class locals, and you get the image of what is Krimea in summer. Not my idea of good and interesting vacations, but as usual, to each its own.

Post: #55

(05-07-2013 03:20 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:00 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  No girls in short skirts and high heels?

Touché ). Well, I would never consider a girl in short skirt as "dressed like a slob" )

Just a few personal thoughts about Krimea and russian girls:

Russian girls have holiday priorities, the most notable ones (besides french Riviera) being sun and sand "hip" exotic destinations ...Thailand, Goa, Bali, Dubai, ect ...and bragging rights about having gone somewhere "cool". 

Krimea (or Turkey for that matter) is for "poor" lower middle class girls. Something like "Oh Natasha, you have been to Krimea this summer, with the poor people? ..... hmmm, I feel sorry for you .... me, I was in Bali, look at the photos I took in Ubud..". For mid-to-upper class Russians or Ukrainians, Krimea is a no-go area. I would never talk about Krimea or about Turkey to a reasonably sophisticated Russian or Ukrainian dyev. I would immediatly be considered a loser and my sex appeal would plummet.

Interesting that. I took a provincial Russian bird to Sharm el Sheikh in 2010 and afterwards plastered photos of herself all over her vkontakte account boasting about the trip to her friends. She spent that summer working in Adler to save some coin and after the holiday went back to Ekaterinburg. She hasn't been on a vacation since anywhere.

Post: #56

You guys are making me doubt the Black Sea.

Prosal: where would you go?

Post: #57

(05-07-2013 04:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You guys are making me doubt the Black Sea.

Prosal: where would you go?

Yo would be better of exploring the eastern shore - Sochi, Abkhazia and Georgia.

Post: #58

(05-04-2013 05:21 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Mariupol yes, it is worthy.It can hardly be considered a resort but itis the only Donbass city which impressed me with its potential.
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but isn't that city full of this:

Post: #59

Straight up, is there any place with a nice beach, hot topless girls, people dressed up nice, good food, great nightlife, etc on the Black Sea?

Or is it two "cons" to match every "pro" with these towns?

I mean, hell, you guys are making California sound good for summertime.

Post: #60

(05-07-2013 05:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Straight up, is there any place with a nice beach, hot topless girls, people dressed up nice, good food, great nightlife, etc on the Black Sea?

Or is it two "cons" to match every "pro" with these towns?

I mean, hell, you guys are making California sound good for summertime.

Hit the Mediterranean instead of the Black Sea

Nice Beach: Edge - Mediterranean
Hot Topless Girls: Edge - Tied, but probably easier hookups at the Black Sea
People Dressed up Nice: Edge - Tied
Good Food: Edge - Mediterranean
Great Nightlife: Edge - Mediterranean

I score it 3-1 split decision in favor of the Mediterranean. You could have it 4-1 or 3-2, depending on preferences, but can't see the Black Sea beating out the Mediterranean any way you look at it.

Post: #61

(05-07-2013 03:20 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 03:00 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  No girls in short skirts and high heels?

Touché ). Well, I would never consider a girl in short skirt as "dressed like a slob" )

Just a few personal thoughts about Krimea and russian girls:

Russian girls have holiday priorities, the most notable ones (besides french Riviera) being sun and sand "hip" exotic destinations ...Koh Samui, Goa, Bali, Dubai, ect ...and bragging rights about having gone somewhere "cool". 

Krimea (or Turkey for that matter) is for "poor" lower middle class girls. Something like "Oh Natasha, you have been to Krimea this summer, with the poor people? ..... hmmm, I feel sorry for you .... me, I was in Bali, look at the photos I took in Ubud..". For mid-to-upper class Russians or Ukrainians, Krimea is a no-go area. I would never talk about Krimea or about Turkey to a well-heeled Russian or Ukrainian dyev. I would immediatly be considered a loser and my sex appeal would plummet.

As a side note, Ukraine is the 8th most visited country in Europe with some 20 millions inbound tourists each year. One can imagine that most of them are cheap vacationers going to the Black Sea during summer months. Add a few millions of lower-class locals, and you get the image of what is Krimea in summer. Not my idea of good and interesting vacations, but as usual, to each its own.

But some of those lower class russian and ukrainian chicks are hot.

You come in as a relatively wealthier man from the west, you've got a big leg up.

I prefer more upper class girls as well, but being upper class doesn't always correlate with better appearances.

Post: #62

For someone on an average budget the Black Sea is completely fine. If you definitely want access to those higher circles in the Med you're going to need a hefty bank roll to gain access to the beach clubs and restaurants.

I believe Roosh would enjoy the Black Sea more with the higher concentration of EE women.

Post: #63

I would skip complete Bulgaria, sunny beach in Burgas and Varna are just one of those European holiday spots like in Aya Napa or Greek islands, Antalya in Turkey is even worse, I could not even close to pick up in any of those spots, competition is high, foreigner value is low and with many local men around which have better logistics than you and knows local game - Kamaki style guys (No offence surely)
Odessa is much better, higher quality girls, in Jul-Aug the Arcadia beach has amazing talent and you have the center as well as side trips to cities like Kherson and Nikolayev which have lack of men. I did not travel to other black sea spots in Ukraine like Cremea but it also sounds much better than the above options.

Post: #64

(05-07-2013 04:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You guys are making me doubt the Black Sea.

Prosal: where would you go?

Well I am not a beach guy, so difficult to give an opinion. Furthermore I don't like tourists (be it low-class tourists or upper-class - or upper-class wannabes - braggers), that is why I prefer places like Tashkent during summer.

Vicious has a point. You should still try it and make your own opinion. Also Greek K pointed Sea of Azov (Berdyansk, Maruipol), which sounds interesting, even maybe more than Krimea.

Post: #65

http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/noisey-show...rce=vicefb

I can't work out if this is amazing or absolute misery.

Post: #66

(05-09-2013 01:00 PM)gadabout Wrote:  http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/noisey-show...rce=vicefb

I can't work out if this is amazing or absolute misery.

I'm leaning towards the latter. This video is old...as a general rule by the time video's like this appear these places are overrun by horny western tourists and turn into sausage fests. I hear from some of my Ukrainian buddies that the best time was 5 years ago to hit Kazantip.

Post: #67

(05-09-2013 07:57 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  I hear from some of my Ukrainian buddies that the best time was 5 years ago to hit Kazantip.

Five years ago Kazantip was already bad. Keep in mind that it exists since 1993. I've been told by russian party-goers that it was good only till 2002/2003, which is about the era when it started to be largely publicized and promoted in West Europe.

Post: #68

Crimea is very good for Slavic guys even hardcore nationalists.I saw there guys with Serbian Eagle tatoos,Greater Bulgaria map tattoo and polish Eagle tattoos.Another guy had a Kosovo map with Serbian names tattooed on his back.
It is a very slavic place very convenient for Russian hunters. In general all these places Crimea,Sochi etc are primary Russian hunting grounds Russians pull easily there but Westerners face difficulties.

Post: #69

Odessa is a no-brainer for summers on the black sea. You have to hit that for a week at least. If a place sucks, just move to the next beachtown.

Post: #70

I wanted to go to Odessa for a long time but there is nothing on the forum that tells me it's worth it. Did anyone go last year?

Post: #71

A good thing with Bulgarian guys in Sunny Beach is that they do not cockblock foreigners as is the case in Greece. They do not badmouth you to girls.

Post: #72

Roosh, I will be in Chisinau in the first weekend of June... just sent you a PM.

Odessa is good, you should go! but I would go later in June that you have a holiday

2 holidays with the weekend in Ukraine: 24th and 28th of june.

http://www.qppstudio.net/publicholidays2013/ukraine.htm

I never plan my travels without taking a look in the website above.

Post: #73

Greetings RVF community--

I am headed to Eastern Europe for the summer and will be traveling through nearly every country on the Black Sea. I see some mixed reviews of the region in this thread, but I'm super down to meet some RVFers and handle some business. I land in Poland mid-June and plan on working my way east to the Ukraine and then southward along the Black Sea coast til I hit Turkey. If anyone will be in the region despite the aforementioned blemishes in this thread, let me know


Ath1est

Post: #74

(05-04-2013 06:42 PM)chexmix Wrote:  Hey Greek kamaki you seem pretty well versed in vacation spots in the black sea. Do you know anything about Kazantip?

Here is a video because boobs. NSFW.




Seems too good to be true.

Most of the girls in this video are too damn skinny and don't have much ass. Not my style. Is this pretty typical of EE girls? If so I definitely think South America would be more my style than EE.

Post: #75

(06-03-2013 02:13 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  Most of the girls in this video are too damn skinny and don't have much ass. Not my style. Is this pretty typical of EE girls?