Post: #51

- Taking the whole blue/pill alpha/beta thing too far into real life. I dont like this song because its beta, I dont like Modern family because the dad is Beta, I dont like Louis CK because he is blue pill etc

Post: #52

Still trying to wrap my head around how there is one forum with great info on how to travel, find and fuck the best feminine unspoiled-by-facebook-and-feminism women, and then there is the other forum about how the women are spoiled by the dick carousel.

But then again, life is full of contradictions.

TWIST: The OP is Roosh in disguise, and everyone who agrees with him will be purged. /joke

Post: #53

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Post: #54

is human success only defined by reproduction, or the potential to reproduce, or happiness?
not that these are mutually exclusive but if we don't have an answer for that we don't have something objective

Post: #55

on Male vs Female cheating:

this place excuses male cheating because a man can cheat and still love his wife whereas the woman would break up the marriage immediately if she was tempted by another guy. Hypergamy and all.

I don't think men should cheat in families. It will not break up the family, but it has the potential to harm children. Kids notice when a father is away too long. After a man has a daughter, the only thing he can do for her is to make her value the traditional family. her genetics take care of the rest.

Post: #56

(04-27-2013 04:48 AM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  1)I don't know why some people here are totally against LTR.
If you found a nice girl that treats you well and given that you are not pussywipphed, etc..., I don't know what's so wrong about this. Especially if you happen to live in a place where for different reasons you can't have or don't want to have a player's lifestyle.

2) Can someone explain the whole SWPL frenzy?

Nothing wrong with LTR's, do whatever the fuck you want to do. Some guys would rather put up with the drama of a relationship than constantly run game on new women.

Either way, you're going to have to deal with the female mind. If you're in an LTR, she knows you better than you think she does and she'll try her entire bag of tricks to snag your ass into something even more long term if she thinks you're that kind of material.

If you're not careful, you could get talked into moving in together, which produces a whole slew of other problems. I've heard of some guys getting fucked by "common law marriages" because they lived a long enough time with their girlfriends. I don't know how accurate those stories are, but the moral was that moving in with the girlfriend (to get sex on demand, probably) was a stupid idea.

Women are pretty fucking pragmatic and they'll figure out something if they think you're wasting their time and the relationship is going nowhere.

As far as SWPL is concerned ("swipple"), it's a narcissistic white people thing. These white people adopt all kinds of SWPL shit like PC language, certain kinds of music, a faux respect for other cultures, and all that just to feel superior to other people. Since their "platform" comes from all those things, they think they can judge people. The narcissistic quality stems from these SWPL'ers making everything about themselves and how everything relates to them. They tend to be completely up their own asses, if that makes any sense to you.

Post: #57

I co-sign the majority of the list except the obvious few. Who can pass up a microbrew in America wearing a peacoat while banging chicks with bangs and then eat some organic food.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/full-lis...ople-like/

Post: #58

On the men cheating thing: All the girls I know with dads who cheated on their mothers are fucked up. Even distant dads who didn't necessarily cheat (or get caught) do a pretty good number on a girls ability to bond in a healthy way with men.

God bless em because my notch count would be half of what it is if there were no shitty dads in this world but it's not a behavior that doesn't have consequences when kids are involved.

Post: #59

- I don't understand the obsession with height. There's guys on here who I can tell have nothing else to fall back on with girls because they never shut up about it and try to correlate it with being alpha/intimidating. You ain't scaring nobody because you work out and happen to be 6'2 unless the guy's a pussy.

Post: #60

there are certain aspects of human nature the manosphere ignores..
We are animals an do animalistic things but we are aware of death which corrupts a lot of our natural instincts, and makes us look at life somewhat delusionally in order to live. as a previous poster said, both men and women have a hamster, the woman's just runs a bit faster.

The nihilism of the sphere will drive away audiences.
For instance, Heartiste writes pretty nihilistic posts that make breeding seem like the most basic "insert Dna" type of scheme.
Nobody in real life wants to think like him though. This doesn't make people happy. Insane people and sociopaths see people as nothing more than meat.
Perhaps a woman doenst want to think of her life in terms of "I HAVE TO BREED IN THIS TIME FRAME" because that's fucked up to think about. it makes it seem like you're bringing the child into existence for yourself only (which you are), but no one wants to think like that. People like a story format to life. It makes them happy. They will never choose misery over happiness, even shallow happiness. So a woman likes to think that she found her "soulmate", and a child just came about. The manosphere's question is how to work around that, gently push her into breeding at the right age, without slamming her over the head with dehumanizing reductionism.

Feminists don't want to be seen as meat, but they go the wrong way, trying to imitate men's characteristics, instead of trying to see what they can celebrate about pure womanhood and feminine characteristics.

My solution for turning more women over to anti-feminism would be to do what "50 shades of grey" does. It communicates to them emotionally and awakens instincts that are louder than their egos. A woman doesn't appreciate a logical argument but she will be persuaded emotionally.

a question here should be.. do we want more people to be aware of the manosphere or do we like the exclusivity? Because if we want more men and women to see our point of view it should ideally be less harsh than a heartiste blog. The red pill can get really toxic. so we need a "purple pill"

Post: #61

(04-27-2013 02:28 PM)Ensam Wrote:  On the men cheating thing: All the girls I know with dads who cheated on their mothers are fucked up. Even distant dads who didn't necessarily cheat (or get caught) do a pretty good number on a girls ability to bond in a healthy way with men.

so many people have dad issues these days. its depressing

Post: #62

(04-26-2013 06:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 04:43 PM)DVY Wrote:  The manosphere can poison your view of women and the world. The truth is people vary greatly. A whole spectrum of people. Character is a difficult quality nowadays to find.

You got it backwards. The view of women that most people hold is poisoned with lies. Manosphere spreads truth.

Manosphere opens your eyes, but it made me sour for a while. It affected my sunny disposition. In my opinion, my relationships improved and deepened when I stopped actively thinking about "hypergamy and Bigger/better/next thing mentality". My sanity day to day improved as well.

If you constantly go into any interaction w/a bad disposition, don't be surprised if that interaction crashes and burns.

Hence, Manosphere CAN poison your views on women and the world.

Post: #63

1. Race matters a lot. Can't wait for the shit storm of comments for that obvious one. If you don't believe it, ask yourself do I wish I was XXX ethnicity instead? The answer is always a screaming no for me. Go ask the same question to minorities, many will admit in privacy that they would switch. With that said I also hate all the IRT jokes on this forum. It's annoying and immature at this point, I have a few Indian player friends and they are all cool guys. That's probably the most annoying thing on this forum to me, it use to be funny but now it's just a contradiction.

If some guy gets blocked for 7 days for dropping an N* bomb, why is it okay to start 700 IRT threads? All that racism needs to end and we need to help each other instead.

2. Seeking adventure at a young age. Roosh is an extreme example of success post a 10 year journey. Your average guy is not going to succeed with the same set up as roosh. Roosh's above average in intellect and was able to make a living off of this. Most guys should learn a niche space when they are young. Tech, finance, chemistry, coding, whatever makes you good money in the future. You'll be able to start a biz with your new knowledge eventually.

3. Hating on successful women. Similar to MikeCF's comment how can you hate on someone who achieved more than you, assuming it wasn't a hand out? You can't. No where am I saying this makes them more attractive, it doesn't, but you can't say you're smarter than xyz woman if she has a better career than you and did this without Afirmative action.

4. Damaging blogs. Certain blogs in the manosphere can damage your train of thinking. Making it some sort of political or ethnic battle makes us look like a bunch of immature scumbags. Be careful whom you take advice from.

5. Choosing women vs. money. Why do you have to choose? Can't you control your emotions and find anything that pays well and also have sex during your free time. Don't understand why there is a choice.

Post: #64

(04-27-2013 04:33 PM)DVY Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 06:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 04:43 PM)DVY Wrote:  The manosphere can poison your view of women and the world. The truth is people vary greatly. A whole spectrum of people. Character is a difficult quality nowadays to find.

You got it backwards. The view of women that most people hold is poisoned with lies. Manosphere spreads truth.

Manosphere opens your eyes, but it made me sour for a while. It affected my sunny disposition. In my opinion, my relationships improved and deepened when I stopped actively thinking about "hypergamy and Bigger/better/next thing mentality". My sanity day to day improved as well.

If you constantly go into any interaction w/a bad disposition, don't be surprised if that interaction crashes and burns.

Hence, Manosphere CAN poison your views on women and the world.

Don't be a pussy. It's called growing pains. Sure, it's going to break you down, but then you can build up from a stronger, more informed position and have more options with women.

No pain, no gain.

Post: #65

I think it's strange that the older PUA movements gets so much flack here.

That whole thread knocking Mystery was kind of ridiculous.

Here's an analogy: there's been a lot of unethical things done that have resulted in more knowledge for medicine, but that doesn't mean I'm going to neglect the knowledge gained if it works to help people.

Post: #66

(04-27-2013 01:15 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  Hilary Clinton is a piss poor example of a woman who "did something with their own life" Oh sure, she was smart, went to Wellsley and Yale Law School, but the fact is she hitched her wagon to an Alpha male and rode it to the success she had. Margaret Thatcher is a better example, or Madame Curie. Women who made it WITHOUT a man greasing the way.

Would Bill Clinton have been elected President without Hillary? No. He had charisma and drive but was too prone to distractions, i.e., banging every woman he possibly could. Hillary kept him in line.

Being successful in life means forming smart partnerships. Bill and Hillary each brought in strengths to the relationship and because of that achieved much.

Even the self-made Arnold Schwarzengger would have had a harder go without his partnership with Joe Weider; and Arnold made most of his early money investing in real estate by partnering with a - gasp - woman. Arnold's marriage to Maria Shriver is probably what got him elected governor, too.

Your disdain of liberals is pathological. I'm not liberal and am no fan of Hillary, but there's really no debating the point that she made Bill and Bill made her.

(But everyone here already knows that.)

You talk a big game but given your obvious issues when it comes to liberals, it's hard to tell what is true and what is delusional.

Post: #67

A lot of the PUA lingo sounds dumb. HB8? WTF man, she's an 8. Do some of you guys say this in the company of your friends? "Hey guys, check it out, there's a HB8!"

Sometimes I won't know what a lot of you guys are talking about when you use the acronyms, I have to google them.

Sometimes the Alpha/Beta thing goes too far. Like this... /thread-10661....+this+beta

Post: #68

A) One man's 8 is another man's 2. There's no objective definition of beauty. If you say you banged a 9, show me the picture, i'll be the judge. (also video or it didn't happen)

B) What PUAs call "pump and dump", sluts call "fuck and go". Unless she is calling you begging you to spend your life with her, that's what she wanted all along so its an even trade. Quit stroking your ego.

Post: #69

I call Bullshit on this feminist troll thread.

Real dissent is smarter than this. It doesn't need a sanctioned place to exist. I'm betting this thread was started by a woman.

Dissent Thread™

The perfect place place to vent your anger.

Someone please close down this massive troll effort. I know I'm bumping it by posting it, but it is going to come up again.

Manosphere isn't forcing anyone to do anything. People can post whatever they want. The implication of this thread is that we are making people do things without consent. We don't need a thread dedicated to dissent because we are dissent.

Only a feminist would call us an authority. We are the minority.

Don't you guys see this ?

It took me a while..

Post: #70

(04-28-2013 10:40 PM)soup Wrote:  I call Bullshit on this feminist troll thread.

Real dissent is smarter than this. It doesn't need a sanctioned place to exist. I'm betting this thread was started by a woman.

Dissent Thread™

The perfect place place to vent your anger.

Someone please close down this massive troll effort. I know I'm bumping it by posting it, but it is going to come up again.

Manosphere isn't forcing anyone to do anything. People can post whatever they want. The implication of this thread is that we are making people do things without consent. We don't need a thread dedicated to dissent because we are dissent.

Only a feminist would call us an authority. We are the minority.

Don't you guys see this ?

It took me a while..

I hear you but lets not go down that road, this is'nt Jizzbel after all. As the saying goes, give em enough rope....

Post: #71

honestly soup I thought it would be cool to have all the dissent in one place, see what sorts of things people open up about. Yeah there are some disagreements in random threads here and there and those are interesting to read too.

you're overthinking this man

Post: #72

I'm confused by MRA's. I appreciate that they go out there to address "date rape" and take the heat from vicious red haired beasts at university campuses. They're like manosphere lite to me though. They're waiting for feminists to give them their equality. Masculinism is the solution they should turn to instead.

Post: #73

If you can't figure out a way to vent your dissent without being so direct about it, I'd bet your game isn't that good.

Post: #74

(04-26-2013 02:30 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 02:05 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 01:14 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  -I don't understand the fascination with high heels. If I was a woman I wouldn't wear them. They look so damn painful. A woman's footwear is the last thing I care about. I don't like tall women, and really don't mind shorter curvier legs.

I think the fascination is pretty straightforward:

those two women have slightly different legs, footwear aside.

It not something I ever pay attention to or care much about. sometimes you guys talk about it like it's a dealbreaker.

Same girl.

Post: #75

(04-28-2013 11:36 PM)soup Wrote:  If you can't figure out a way to vent your dissent without being so direct about it, I'd bet your game isn't that good.

You don't seem to be handling this thread well. From the beginning.

I just don't care about a female's shoes at all man. Is that what you have the most beef with?