Post: #1

Recently I've been reflecting on game, some random thoughts, but not necessarily new revelations.

I am really seeing how the hotter the girl, the tighter your game needs to be exponentially in correlation to her looks. The level of game you need to pull a 6 is much less than the game you need to pull an 8. A 6 or 7 will give you more leeway if you make a faux pas and say something kind of dumb or a joke falls flat, but an 8 may not be so forgiving.

Obviously the better looking you are, the more slack she will cut you. If you are attempting to pull women in a nightlife scenario that are 1-2 points higher than you on the scale, than you really need air tight game. Otherwise you need to be in a country like Romania or have some kind of serious social status.

Target selection is such a crucial aspect of the game, especially if you are out for a SNL and aren't really down to play the numbers, flirt with a bunch of girls, collect phone numbers, text, go on dates, etc. Last night I was spitting good game, but every girl I seemed to hook was either not drinking too much, with a big group of friends (and thus not wanting to look like a slut), or a little bit more prudish and not down to go home with a guy they just met an hour ago. I collected four phone numbers and scored a late night make out, but alas I went home with dick in hand.

Other nights I talked to the right girl either right off the bat or a few approaches in to the night. She was usually either alone, drunk, a wild party girl, a lonely girl, or a girl who was on the rebound and looking for dick. Part of finding these girls was just circumstantial random luck, but part of it was "screening for girls who are DTF". Once you get enough knowledge and experience in the game, you start to pick up on all the signs, like a "radio frequency", you begin to develop that sense of girls who are looking to fuck.

A lot of times they will make it obvious, they will say, "I just live a 2 minutes walk from here, I don't have to wake up till noon tomarrow, I came out alone because I'm bored and want to have fun". Other times you will have to read other signs like the look in her eyes, facial expressions, etc. I know Roosh did a blog post about this in the past, but when you get really jedi with this shit you can scan the room like a social disecting robot, and size up all the women and what their intention and availability is for the night.

A tactic I am liking is when I approach awoman and open her for the first time, like I know who she is, I've known her for years, and talked to her several times before. Am I pulling some cheesy, weak game, where I pretend like I know her and we've met before? Hell no. What I mean is I approach her and talk to her smoothly, confidently, and comfortably, even interrupting her conversation, not introducing myself, just talking to her like I've known her for days, and it's just normal to be talking to her.

Conciously she may wonder, who is this guy, do I know him, have we even met before? Unconciously she is thinking, this guy is so smooth and natural, he is so bold, I can't believe the way he is talking to me, other guys stare at me all night, downing drinks before they drunkely stumble up to me and mutter something stupid, while this guy just waltz up like I've been his fuck buddy for years.

There is the saying, "it's not what you say, but how you say it." When your verbal game is tight, you talk smoothly, your tonality is strong, clear and crisp, you emphasize the right words when you are being witty and clever. So much of your confidence is transmitted in your voice, how you speak, your tonality, your pace, etc. Also your body language and facial expressions as well. You can say the most clever and funny thing, but if you don't deliver it right because your voice is shaky, cracking, you speak too fast or too quitely, you stutter, you mumble, than it will never be attractive.

A big hurdle that a lot of guys face that can take years to overcome is timidity. So many men are just afraid of taking charge and being dominant. Women are attracted to dominance, and it is in their nature to be submissive. Western culture teaches men to respect women, it scares us and tells us "no means no", being sexual is "sexual harassment". This can create a situation where guys have deep seeded anxiety over what is an appropriate level of sexual forwardness. Once a guy takes the red pill he knows he can touch a women within a couple minutes of talking to her, he knows he must push through her resistance, he must kiss her, he must take action.

Basically he must lead and be dominant. Once you overcome this fear, and tap into your dominant side, you can unlock a lot of pussy that you would have never tapped into before, when you were timid, you were shy, anxious, always worrying about being respectful. Meanwhile the "asshole" is making out with the girl at the end of the bar, and taking her by the hand and walking her out of the bar, to his car, to his bed, to his cock, always leading the way.

Post: #2

(04-13-2013 01:24 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  A lot of times they will make it obvious, they will say, "I just live a 2 minutes walk from here, I don't have to wake up till noon tomarrow, I came out alone because I'm bored and want to have fun". Other times you will have to read other signs like the look in her eyes, facial expressions, etc. I know Roosh did a blog post about this in the past, but when you get really jedi with this shit you can scan the room like a social disecting robot, and size up all the women and what their intention and availability is for the night.

This is something I have been noticing recently.

Girls will tell you exactly what you need to do to fuck them, and all you have to do is listen and follow through.

Post: #3

(04-13-2013 05:56 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 01:24 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  A lot of times they will make it obvious, they will say, "I just live a 2 minutes walk from here, I don't have to wake up till noon tomarrow, I came out alone because I'm bored and want to have fun". Other times you will have to read other signs like the look in her eyes, facial expressions, etc. I know Roosh did a blog post about this in the past, but when you get really jedi with this shit you can scan the room like a social disecting robot, and size up all the women and what their intention and availability is for the night.

This is something I have been noticing recently.

Girls will tell you exactly what you need to do to fuck them, and all you have to do is listen and follow through.

Not so much. You usally have to pick up on the body language, tone of speech.

Good post btw. I think approaching them like you know them is the next level of game.

Post: #4

I think you could rephrase it as, if a girl wants to fuck you she will tell you how. I'm still kind of amazed whenever I pick up on it. Most recently a girl was complaining about all the assholes in her life. A light bulb went off in my head and I upped my asshole game. She made out with me in the bar then came over to my place for the bang.

Post: #5

Tell me if you think my theory is wrong:

For 99% of bangs, the girl within 5 minutes either knows that she wants to bang or open to the possibility of banging you if everything sets up right.

If she thinks she doesn't want to bang you, its almost impossible to change her mind. You are going to need weeks and months of persistence game to change her mind.

Post: #6

Yes, that's why they call it game. Both parties know what's up.

Game is essentially about saving face.

Post: #7

(04-13-2013 07:40 PM)jammer Wrote:  Tell me if you think my theory is wrong:

For 99% of bangs, the girl within 5 minutes either knows that she wants to bang or open to the possibility of banging you if everything sets up right.

If she thinks she doesn't want to bang you, its almost impossible to change her mind. You are going to need weeks and months of persistence game to change her mind.

yes, the first part is true for most women. they know quickly.
Also, you should have a few chick friends to bounce these type of theories off. they all tell me this same thing. (additionally, ex-GFs have said.."i knew in first 5 mins, etc"). remember attractive women are not logical.

but there are some that aren't sure, or are in a different frame of mind when you meet them...and they can come around depending on what you spit...it may not take weeks/months. but once she decides "no". you are pretty much done.

this is a big part of game. deciding what to pursue and what to pass on. you should be able to read them fairly quickly after awhile

Post: #8

5 minutes? no not in 99% of cases otherwise most day game , especially roosh's day game model would be completely irrelevent. probably at night when youre going for a same night bang

Post: #9

(04-13-2013 07:40 PM)jammer Wrote:  Tell me if you think my theory is wrong:

For 99% of bangs, the girl within 5 minutes either knows that she wants to bang or open to the possibility of banging you if everything sets up right.

If she thinks she doesn't want to bang you, its almost impossible to change her mind. You are going to need weeks and months of persistence game to change her mind.

I couldn't disagree more.

First, let's stop applying male psychology to female psychology. Just because you know within a few minutes that you would fuck someone doesn't mean that she does.

Second, a big part of the problem that most dudes have with game is the false belief that they can control the outcome.

You can do everything possible to influence, but at the end of the day, it's her decision as to whether or not she's down. You can't make her pick up the phone, respond back to your text, or say yes to the many veiled offers for dick that you give her.

Anyone who doesn't get that and accept that is going to waste a lot of time and be highly frustrated when it comes to gaming women.

Post: #10

(04-14-2013 03:08 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 07:40 PM)jammer Wrote:  Tell me if you think my theory is wrong:

For 99% of bangs, the girl within 5 minutes either knows that she wants to bang or open to the possibility of banging you if everything sets up right.

If she thinks she doesn't want to bang you, its almost impossible to change her mind. You are going to need weeks and months of persistence game to change her mind.

I couldn't disagree more.

First, let's stop applying male psychology to female psychology. Just because you know within a few minutes that you would fuck someone doesn't mean that she does.

Second, a big part of the problem that most dudes have with game is the false belief that they can control the outcome.

You can do everything possible to influence, but at the end of the day, it's her decision as to whether or not she's down. You can't make her pick up the phone, respond back to your text, or say yes to the many veiled offers for dick that you give her.

Anyone who doesn't get that and accept that is going to waste a lot of time and be highly frustrated when it comes to gaming women.

She might not be conscious of it, but I can tell within moments of meeting a girl if she's attracted to me. Yes, sometimes attraction builds, but I can't recall a bang that happened when it was something I said or did that made her attracted to me.

That would be like going from the friendzone to badboy, which is nearly impossible.

That's why they call it game. You know that her body craves you, and you have to play this stupid game with her mind to give you access. This is why physical presence is essential. Body language, fashion, physique.. these are the things that really generate attraction.

All the other stuff (status, money- social DHVs) exists to give her hamster a wheel to run on. That's why you can be rich and still be beta, but you can be a poor mother fucker with great physical presence and banging like crazy.