Post: #26

(03-22-2013 09:59 PM)A CLOCKWORK TRADER Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 09:45 PM)Soma Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 09:40 PM)A CLOCKWORK TRADER Wrote:  Most of these so called 'activists' are actually paid to do this. Femen spends more time jetting across Europe than at protests. Where do they get the money for this? Don't these women have jobs? Or other responsibilities at home? Smells fishy.

They're paid $1000/month and get to fly around Europe, a pretty decent gig for a poor girl from Ukraine.

http://rt.com/art-and-culture/femen-topl...inist-665/

Absolutely! For that salary no wonder they're showing so much passion.

Take a look at this article:

Quote:Femen has a five-member board of directors. In 2008, when topless protests were a novelty in Ukraine, Hutsol got a call from publisher Jed Sunden, the owner of KP Media.

“Jed was the very first influential person who noticed us, helped us with all the resources he had, gave use some useful advice, generously donated and said we were special. Jed was the very first person who helped us in organization’s promotion and creation of our website. We used to call him a ‘Femen Post’ [a play off of the Kyiv Post newspaper, which Sunden sold last year],” Hutsol said.

Sunden acknowledged he is more than a fan of Femen.

“I confirm that I do give money to Femen,” Sunden said. “I will not state the amount. After meeting with Anna Hutsol, I was impressed with her ideas and have been a supporter. I believe Anna is a young, independent voice in Ukraine. While I do not agree with all of her positions, I believe it is important to give her, and groups like hers, support.”http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics...65379.html

His net worth is estimated at $16.5 million. http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/...85484.html

He's obviously fucking them.

CIA pysops: destabilization and demoralization

he's a handler.

Post: #27

(03-22-2013 08:31 PM)Ovid Wrote:  She knew the laws and disobeyed them... and she is being punished. I would not wish her death, but a public flogging would definitely seem appropriate.

This is a strange comment I don't get. So everyone who disobeys laws should be punished?

I think half the laws out there are wrong and should be disobeyed. And I'm talking about laws regardless of western Muslim or eastern country. Many laws are created only to keep those in power in power and have nothing to do worth the well-being of the individual.

Do you mean to say instead "if someone breaks a law that I agree with he/she should be punished"?

Post: #28

Whether or not a law is good or bad, if a law says not to do something, and there are big penalties attached, it's pretty much common sense not to do it, or at least not to get caught, and certainly not to flaunt the lawbreaking in public. This is especially true when there is no natural need for it. Nobody forced her to take her shirt off and write vulgarities on herself. In Singapore, drug trafficking is punished by death. One might disagree with that law, but would you really be stupid enough to try to smuggle weed in, just to make a point?

Besides, the impetus behind these laws in Tunisia is a wholesome one. Without doubt, a higher percentage of Arab and North African men have good, loyal wives, who were virgins when they got married, because female attention whoring and gratuitous public sluttiness are not tolerated in their culture. Objectively speaking, for the good of their society, such laws make sense, and all cultures used to have them.

This girl's actions represent a deliberate and public "fuck you!" to her culture, and given that the men in her culture still have balls, it is not surprising at all that she is being punished. I am sure she was not ignorant of the possible consequences.

Post: #29

Pot belly, 2/10 would not bang.

That said, she is stupid to provoke them like that for a nonsensical cause, but the Sharia law is way too harsh here. The proper response is to ignore or shame her, not to kill or physically punish her!

Post: #30

That's something I don't understand. America was built on breaking laws (the insurgency against the British). Then later the emancipation of the slaves.

If a law impinges against individual human freedom in my opinion it deserved to be broken in every way possible. Regardless of whether I agree with the cause or not.

We've lost this revolutionary spirit. everyone is too concerned with being accepted by the status quo and it's only worsening today.

Post: #31

If feminists really gave a damn about female equality, they would go to these places that really do have oppressed women and aide them, instead of getting men fired for jokes, slut walks, and complaining about myths such as the gender wage gap and the patriarchy.

Post: #32

(03-22-2013 05:54 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Im usually against Islamists and their fanatism but in this case I will support them calling for this cunt to be lashed publically! Feminism must NOT corrupt women in other parts of the world!!!! The western world is enough to be corrupted! Keep your vile poison to yourselves femicunts! Stop corrupting other women!!!

Siding with "the man" here? I'm surprised. Here's someone with real balls standing up for her rights against a bunch of reactionaries who advocate "honor killings"

I mean, how far backwards do you want to go? Maybe prohibit girls from going to school?

Post: #33

(03-23-2013 09:19 AM)Ovid Wrote:  Whether or not a law is good or bad, if a law says not to do something, and there are big penalties attached, it's pretty much common sense not to do it, or at least not to get caught, and certainly not to flaunt the lawbreaking in public. This is especially true when there is no natural need for it. Nobody forced her to take her shirt off and write vulgarities on herself.

"Common sense" is not how repressive, ignorant elements of society get changed. Rosa Parks should have caved in and gotten off the bus? There's no progress without nonviolent civil disobedience.
Why are you silent on the boobs who are advocating KILLING her for this?

Do you really think the Arabs can keep the suffocating restrictions on women they have now? Seriously, do you think that can continue, and would you want it to?

Even the Saudis with their repulsive morality police who go around bullying women physically ( and I don't mean the bullshit like that Pycon cunt complained about) are liberalizing because they know it can't last.

If you don't like women ( I often don't much) and think they're inferior, at least beat them in a fair fight of intellect and effort, not ignorant bullying.

Post: #34

A) The whole Rosa Parks thing, if memory serves, was a pre-planned operation, not a spontaneous act. It and the subsequent events had the effect of inflaming racial tensions dramatically, and was perhaps not the best way to go about effecting change, if the aftermath which we see today is any indication. But I digress.

B) I am not an advocate of revolution. Counter-revolution? When appropriate and feasible, but revolution, no. I think much of the evil and bloodshed of the last couple of centuries has come about because of revolutions, and as much as I disapprove of sharia law, I think Middle Eastern society would be changed for the worse if this girl's ideas become mainstream in her country. Really, it is too much to dignify them with the title of "ideas," as if she is some repressed freedom-fighting intellectual. She is a rebellious, empty-headed girl who probably has mental issues, craves attention, and her "message" is simply one of rebellion for rebellion's sake, and "empowerment" of women, in the worst Western ways. True freedom is the freedom to choose the good, not for society to bless every evil inclination.

Post: #35

(03-23-2013 10:09 AM)Ovid Wrote:  A) The whole Rosa Parks thing, if memory serves, was a pre-planned operation, not a spontaneous act. It and the subsequent events had the effect of inflaming racial tensions dramatically, and was perhaps not the best way to go about effecting change, if the aftermath which we see today is any indication. But I digress.

I'll respectfully ask, what do you mean by "...not the best way to go about effecting change, if the aftermath which we see today is any indication..."?

inb4thisbecomesanotherraceflamethread

Post: #36

Even in arabic countries like Tunisia, social networking and smartphones are changing the dynamics of the relationships. Feminism is contaminating the society, this chick is the proof. She has a strange body indeed

Post: #37

(03-23-2013 01:02 PM)BLarsen Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 10:09 AM)Ovid Wrote:  A) The whole Rosa Parks thing, if memory serves, was a pre-planned operation, not a spontaneous act. It and the subsequent events had the effect of inflaming racial tensions dramatically, and was perhaps not the best way to go about effecting change, if the aftermath which we see today is any indication. But I digress.

I'll respectfully ask, what do you mean by "...not the best way to go about effecting change, if the aftermath which we see today is any indication..."?

inb4thisbecomesanotherraceflamethread

By the last part there, you seem to have answered the question yourself. We don't worry about race flame threads when matter-of-factly discussing, say, Indonesians and Filipinos. Brazil and other countries had slavery too, and "racism" really isn't a big issue. There's classism, sure, and those classes are largely delineated along skin-tone lines, but inflammatory racial rhetoric is not really part of the question the way it is in the United States. I think there are probably very few true "racists" in the US anymore (maybe on Stormfront and some older people who haven't travelled much, but that's probably about it) but it is nevertheless an enduring and divisive "issue." I think this would not be the case if things had naturally been allowed to take their course in the 1860s and 1960s, instead of being urged onward by zealous agents of social change, many of whom had vested class-warfare interests.

But we're rather getting off the subject of Tunisia, so that's all I'll say on the subject.

Post: #38

Soma is right about FEMEN.

I talked to a Ukrainian reporter who said those girls are hired to build buzz for newsmen. He said, "You know it's fake because they're idiots who don't make any sense."

Post: #39

Tunisia does not have sharia law. It was the most secular country in Arab world pre-revolution and now is having major clashes between the secular, the salafis, muslim brotherhood, etc.

If they were to introduce sharia something like half the country would flee.

Post: #40

(03-23-2013 04:22 PM)Kentucky Wrote:  Tunisia does not have sharia law. It was the most secular country in Arab world pre-revolution and now is having major clashes between the secular, the salafis, muslim brotherhood, etc.

If they were to introduce sharia something like half the country would flee.

Exactly. I went to Tunisia in 2011. Very secular country. In fact, I learned of this article from a FB post a Tunisian friend of mine made. He's very progressive. It's the only country of the ones that went through the Arab Spring that's faring out reasonably well.

Post: #41

(03-22-2013 08:31 PM)Ovid Wrote:  She knew the laws and disobeyed them... and she is being punished. I would not wish her death, but a public flogging would definitely seem appropriate.

Are you serious?

Should the Rosa Parks have been public flogged? Especially since it was a pre-meditated operation, according to you. How about the "Freedom Riders"? Was it just for black teenagers who looked at a white women to be lynched?

Quote:B) I am not an advocate of revolution. Counter-revolution? When appropriate and feasible, but revolution, no. I think much of the evil and bloodshed of the last couple of centuries has come about because of revolutions, and as much as I disapprove of sharia law, I think Middle Eastern society would be changed for the worse if this girl's ideas become mainstream in her country. Really, it is too much to dignify them with the title of "ideas," as if she is some repressed freedom-fighting intellectual. She is a rebellious, empty-headed girl who probably has mental issues, craves attention, and her "message" is simply one of rebellion for rebellion's sake, and "empowerment" of women, in the worst Western ways. True freedom is the freedom to choose the good, not for society to bless every evil inclination.

I think Middle Eastern society would be changed for better if these were the issues that became mainstream there, because in order for that to happen sharia law would have to have been done away with.

I mean, these ideas could not be spread if they are still publicly stoning people to death for disagreeing with the status quo.

So if having to deal with the bullshit feminism that's so prevalent in the West is the price of making Arab countries more free, then yes, I am all for that.

Post: #42

Personally don't give a shit what happens to her, just like she doesn't give a shit about what happens to men in Western countries.

Post: #43

Wow, I'm usually the one saying 2/10 at some of the other pictures post here against the opinions of others, now I am going to have to go the other way, she's cute enough and I admire her confidence/spirit

Post: #44

I understand you guys chafing against feminism but to stand behind Sharia law here in any sense of the word is absolutely insane. As obnoxious as she's behaving - if she were a Western woman I'd turn my nose up at her - this doesn't warrant a flogging or being stoned. Anyone who thinks this isn't any better than the idiot feminists on Jezebel howling about rape culture and male privilege; you've gone too far down your own rabbit hole to make any goddamn sense.

Besides, ask yourselves how many SNLs you'd get if hooking up with you meant capital punishment.

Post: #45

She's mentally unstable and needs help.
On another note, now I have another data point for what Arab women's boobs look like.

Post: #46

I dont get these feminsists. They hate men so much with a passion. Yet, they parade around naked, thus giving men more power and attention. Thats not going to do anything except get men to look down upon them more.

That woman will get what she deserves. What shes doing is complete suicide in a nation thats ruled by men and sword. Is she psychotic?

Post: #47

(03-24-2013 04:25 PM)aphelion Wrote:  I understand you guys chafing against feminism but to stand behind Sharia law here in any sense of the word is absolutely insane. As obnoxious as she's behaving - if she were a Western woman I'd turn my nose up at her - this doesn't warrant a flogging or being stoned. Anyone who thinks this isn't any better than the idiot feminists on Jezebel howling about rape culture and male privilege; you've gone too far down your own rabbit hole to make any goddamn sense.

Besides, ask yourselves how many SNLs you'd get if hooking up with you meant capital punishment.

I don't think anybody stands behind Sharia Law.

Instead they are all saying that this woman is stupid for protesting this way, knowing full well the rules and the consequences of breaking them.

People act with shock about how this is a stone able offence. I act with shock at how stupid this woman is.

Just because someone thinks weed laws are unjust in the U.S., doesn't mean it isn't stupid to protest by lighting up a doobie in front of a police station.

Wald

Post: #48

(03-24-2013 05:22 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  This woman is stupid for protesting this way, knowing full well the rules and the consequences of breaking them.

So should the Freedom Riders, MLK, Rosa Parks, etc. have just not protested at all?

Post: #49

(03-24-2013 06:40 PM)MHaes Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 05:22 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  This woman is stupid for protesting this way, knowing full well the rules and the consequences of breaking them.

So should the Freedom Riders, MLK, Rosa Parks, etc. have just not protested at all?

Maybe I could have worded it better, but you're missing the point. When you break the rules, you should not be shocked when you reap what you sow.

A lot of people read this and say, "My god! A woman getting stoned for baring her naked breasts! The barbarians!". Maybe it is barbaric. But that is how things work over there. It is normal to them. You do X, Y happens.

The guy I was responding to, was conflating thinking this girl was silly for baring her breast knowing the consequences for supporting the sharia law that sets these consequences in place.

Wald

Post: #50

I do think she's crazy for doing it, but it shouldn't have to be THAT crazy.