Post: #26

I think everyone here's missing the point. Roosh is genetically much more introverted than Yareally and Heartiste. He has to adapt his Game accordingly. He's not a spectacular superalpha charisma battery. RSD is better at converting introverts into reasonable facsimiles of that. But Roosh is a lot easier on the soul, for the introvert. His shit works, for introverts, and that's impressive.

Post: #27

Yareally is a dolt, with no concept and less respect for how logic works.

He also takes his game studies seriously and goes out a lot.

He shows extremely low male-to-male social skills in his online persona, and his snide and arrogant attitude combined with his inability and unwillingness to reason make him a waste of time to talk to. Like talking to a wall.

Some people might be able to tease out what there is of use from his posts, but talk to him? Total waste of time.

He's also a huge RSD religious fanatic. If Tyler said it, therefore it's gospel, kind of acolyte. Worse than an Amway acolyte. As a true believer any view that doesn't fit with his grand conception of game-uber-alles literally can not be seen, heard, or understood. His entire self conception is wrapped up in his dogmatic religious views.

Oh, and comments are also occasionally edited on the Heartiste site, but done so in a way that is not obvious to the reader, which is much more evil. He also blocks mention of his comment editing. And selectively blocks comments that disagree with his views. I've had it happen to me and have heard from several other people with similar complaints.

Post: #28

Heartiste changed long ago and I no longer read it, I still go back and read the archives circa 2007-2010

Post: #29

Who cares? He sounds like a

Post: #30

(03-14-2013 12:17 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  I think everyone here's missing the point. Roosh is genetically much more introverted than Yareally and Heartiste. He has to adapt his Game accordingly. He's not a spectacular superalpha charisma battery. RSD is better at converting introverts into reasonable facsimiles of that. But Roosh is a lot easier on the soul, for the introvert. His shit works, for introverts, and that's impressive.

Genetically introverted? I'd love to see the scientific support you can muster for the notion that introversion is genetically.

Post: #31

(03-14-2013 12:17 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  I think everyone here's missing the point. Roosh is genetically much more introverted than Yareally and Heartiste. He has to adapt his Game accordingly. He's not a spectacular superalpha charisma battery. RSD is better at converting introverts into reasonable facsimiles of that. But Roosh is a lot easier on the soul, for the introvert. His shit works, for introverts, and that's impressive.

Genetically introverted? I'd love to see the scientific support you can muster for the notion that introversion is genetically.

Post: #32

(03-14-2013 07:57 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Genetically introverted? I'd love to see the scientific support you can muster for the notion that introversion is genetically.

Claiming to know what a guy on the internet is, genetically, is a bit out-there, but I think most behavioral qualities have a strong component of genetic inheritance.

Post: #33

(03-14-2013 12:17 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  I think everyone here's missing the point. Roosh is genetically much more introverted than Yareally and Heartiste. He has to adapt his Game accordingly. He's not a spectacular superalpha charisma battery. RSD is better at converting introverts into reasonable facsimiles of that. But Roosh is a lot easier on the soul, for the introvert. His shit works, for introverts, and that's impressive.

Genetically introverted? I'd love to see the scientific support you can muster for the notion that introversion is genetically.

Post: #34

I feel sorry for YaReally. He doesn't seem so stupid but his hate for me is making him emotional and spit some poor logic.

Quote:Other than making money, staying in the U.S. is pretty retarded and I'm working on my exit strategy.

American women are in trouble if Mike is considering leaving, as he actually does well with them. It would hurt their team if he becomes a free agent.

Post: #35

(03-14-2013 08:06 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:17 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  I think everyone here's missing the point. Roosh is genetically much more introverted than Yareally and Heartiste. He has to adapt his Game accordingly. He's not a spectacular superalpha charisma battery. RSD is better at converting introverts into reasonable facsimiles of that. But Roosh is a lot easier on the soul, for the introvert. His shit works, for introverts, and that's impressive.

Genetically introverted? I'd love to see the scientific support you can muster for the notion that introversion is genetically.

After hours of digging, I found support for my ridiculous claim on this weird obscure site called Wikipedia, which I discovered via
"Google", whatever that is. Discount accordingly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversio...troversion

" Twin studies find a genetic component of 39% to 58%. "

Post: #36

(03-13-2013 10:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I replied to YaReally in the comments. I must say, the dude is pretty stupid. Fails basic logic, and has some sort of hater complex.

I asked him a legitimate question,

“Why work 10x as hard for shit quality women when you can work with half the effort for a much higher quality product?”

And his reply:

"Why climb Everest? Why hit the gym instead of watching TV on the couch? Why cook instead of eating McDonalds? Why train to be a pro athlete instead of playing touch-football in your backyard?

There are plenty of quality women here, they just aren’t interested in YOU. But enjoy flying across the world to have a bunch of broken-english conversations."



LOL at how bad that analogy is. Climbing Mount Everest is like banging an American woman?

Maybe because they've gotten that fat!



He's so blinded by his haterade he can't see that his analogy SUPPORTS Roosh, because most American men take the easy way out, staying in their comfort zone banging the low quality female livestock where they grew up.

Very, very few men take the time to develop an independent income and bang women in foreign countries, because THAT is difficult and commends 10x the respect than someone who can score a large notchcount with the ugly American female.

Yeah its retards like this that inspired this post I made on ROK

Its nothing more than a twit trying to find some sort of validation online. 20 bucks says these guys are finding little to no real success with any regularity offline. If a concept as simple as ratios is too difficult for you to understand, I seriously doubt you are going to fully comprehend the more technical stuff which is required if you are going to be banging out any sort of quality on the regular in your own backyard. Its a tell tale sign when guys shout their mouth off like that.

The fact that guys are now seeing the challenge of fucking their own women as something to be celebrated is yet another sign of how emasculated some of these dumb motherfuckers are.

Post: #37

Doesn't he see that great effort should produce great rewards, i.e. climbing the highest mountain in the world or being a top level athlete. But, with American women great effort does NOT produce an commensurate reward. They are not any better, and often worse than foreign women. So expending great effort for something you know to be inferior is a waste of time.

Post: #38

Its like bodybuilding vs. powerlifting debate. Lots of people argue and foward viewpoints because for them to reject such viewpoints is to reject their labors and efforts.

Yareally is a younger (and by his own admission cash-light) guy, and it shows in his writing, but he does drop gems of wisdom from time to time. For the most part, he has a playful tone and zest for life.

I believe his viewpoints would change if he traveled outside of the USA.

This is just a classic case of ignorance and a bit of sour grapes complex.

Post: #39

the title of this thread is misplaced...

Post: #40

could someone please explain to me - because i don't really know - if 'heartiste' is the same as 'roissy'/jim wiedemann of old, or if it's another blogger carrying on his mantle?

Post: #41

(03-14-2013 11:41 AM)michelin Wrote:  the title of this thread is misplaced...

Alright, what's misplaced? is it the confusion of differentiating regular with regularly?

Post: #42

Roosh has a funny hater? on pua hate that calls himself Ms. Vilizadeh(Roosh mom) that claims to be friends with Gs mom. I suspect it's an ex forum member or IRT can anyone tell by writing style?

Post: #43

(03-14-2013 11:59 AM)bodmon Wrote:  could someone please explain to me - because i don't really know - if 'heartiste' is the same as 'roissy'/jim wiedemann of old, or if it's another blogger carrying on his mantle?

As far as I know, now is maintained by a small group of bloggers. "Roissy" pretty much retired.

Post: #44

IRT has communicated with me privately that he wishes for a cease fire. In exchange I have halted efforts at revealing his identity.

Post: #45

I only read Heartistes archived posts myself as well the whole place has changed looking at how he started and where it is now

Post: #46

I still read Heartiste. Yeah the HBD stuff is so speculative it gets tiresome and I skip the comments section these days, but the writing is still fucking hilarious. Most of the writing is still has a solid, nuanced, intelligent focus on principles and is far and away the most linguistically creative blog in the 'sphere.

Post: #47

Heartiste's posts on game are spectacular, incisive and well-written. Heartiste's posts on HBD border into aggressive racism and consequently I can't evangelize his website for social concerns. (Best case scenario, I have to put a strong disclaimer on the recommendation if I think the reader is mature enough to separate the two sides of his commentary.)

The worst part about the whole HBD/racism angle is that it literally doesn't help me as a white male. Whether I agreed with it or disagreed with it, I can't implement it in my daily life and it certainly doesn't make me any happier. I blogged about the need to leave politics at the door and focus on male-related issues in our forum of discussion, and the need to raise the level of discourse. http://ariseandexcel.wordpress.com/2012/...to-say-it/ The topic is so toxic that while I don't specifically mean to shill my teeny tiny blog here, I absolutely want my stance on the issue noted.

That being said, I can't quit reading Heartiste simply because his game information is THAT good. It's a cyanide panacea. I try to stay out of the comments tho. And Greg Eliot is an idiot.

Post: #48

(03-14-2013 08:53 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 08:06 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 12:17 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  I think everyone here's missing the point. Roosh is genetically much more introverted than Yareally and Heartiste. He has to adapt his Game accordingly. He's not a spectacular superalpha charisma battery. RSD is better at converting introverts into reasonable facsimiles of that. But Roosh is a lot easier on the soul, for the introvert. His shit works, for introverts, and that's impressive.

Genetically introverted? I'd love to see the scientific support you can muster for the notion that introversion is genetically.

After hours of digging, I found support for my ridiculous claim on this weird obscure site called Wikipedia, which I discovered via
"Google", whatever that is. Discount accordingly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversio...troversion

" Twin studies find a genetic component of 39% to 58%. "

Let me add the sentence previous in the paragraph you quoted from and conveniently ignored.

Quote:The relative importance of nature versus environment in determining the level of extraversion is controversial and the focus of many studies. Twin studies find a genetic component of 39% to 58%.

Hence, there's no scientific consensus.
In addition to your selective copy pasting we should also add that if the figures you cite are representative for the entirety of the human race (which the same wiki entry goes on to say is not the case, but just for the argument) it still means that for the majority of the everyone in the 39%-58% span, environment has had a far greater effect on their development toward introversion/extroversion.

I could also add that (ALSO from the above wiki entry) measuring extroversion is very subjective and to a large degree self-reported.

Post: #49

(03-14-2013 12:04 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:41 AM)michelin Wrote:  the title of this thread is misplaced...

Alright, what's misplaced? is it the confusion of differentiating regular with regularly?

As NYC said, I understand it's about a stupid comment by a certain dude "Yareally", not a Heartiste hating comment.

Post: #50

You asked me to show a genetic component to introversion, and I did. Whether environment or genetics was relatively more important was not the question. If genetic is above 50%, then your statement " the majority of the everyone in the 39%-58% span, environment has had a far greater effect on their development toward introversion/extroversion" is not true. The wikipedia article does not say that a genetic component to introversion is controversial, which was the original question. You seem to really want to argue about this, but I truly don't care.