Post: #1

Here's a link to the letter warning the DOJ & DHS about anti-federal government groups.

From the article:

"Our report also documents that hate groups remain at record highs. The expansion of hate groups began not in 2008 but in 2000 as a reaction to the country’s changing demographics. Now that comprehensive immigration reform is poised in the view of some to legitimize those demographic changes, the backlash that we’ve seen over the last decade may accelerate as well. A recent study sponsored by the Department of Homeland Security, it should be noted, found that criminal violence was associated with a significant percentage of far-right hate groups. See Steven M. Chermak, Joshua D. Freilich, Michael Suttmoeller, The Organizational Dynamics of Far-Right Hate Groups in the United States at 2, DHS, Dec. 2011."

The letter was mostly about "militias and radical antigovernment groups," but since the manosphere and Roosh were targeted in the past by the SPLC, here is the SPLC's definition of a hate group:

"All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics."

Women, as a group, certainly qualify as a class of people with immutable characteristics. All of this leaves me questioning just how long until the manosphere is directly targeted by the DOJ and DHS as a hate group.

Here is a link to the video:





Here's a snapshot of the video. Just looking at these guys is tragic. The one on the left is from the SPLC, the one on the right is from the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernadino (a cultural marxist center if there ever was one):



The interview was done by Chris Matthews, who concludes that it is just racism by whites behind the rise of anti-federal groups because Obama is black. Racist whites and white people who are against gays, gun control, and mass unchecked immigration. This is the same Chris Matthews who proudly claims to live in black majority Washington D.C., but in fact lives in Chevy Chase Village, Maryland. Chevy Chase Maryland has 1,953 residents, 93% of which are white, and only has 10 black people - about 1/2% black.

Could it be that the rise of "radical" anti-federal right wing groups is not because Obama is black, but because he renewed the Patriot Act, signed the NDAA allowing the indefinite detention of American citizens without charge, or that he is attempting to implement the largest gun control measures seen in a generation? Or perhaps it the fact that under his administration Rand Paul had to filibuster for 13 hours to get clarification about the Obama administrations desire to use drones domestically on the American populace?

Or maybe because under his administration, the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. Or maybe it is because under the Obama administration, the Department of Homeland Security just purchased 2,717 light-armored tanks, euphemistically called Mine Resistant Armor Protection Vehicles, for service on the streets of America.

That's right. 2,717 armored vehicles to be used in the streets of America. Don't ever say they didn't learn anything from Iraq.

Here's a nice video:





Forget all that. Forget the government take over of healthcare. Forget the flip flopping on gay marriage. Forget the massive deficits which undermine the global status of the dollar as the reserve currency and which will lead to a major financial crises. Forget the amnesty. Forget the bail-out of the too big to fail banks and corporations. If you don't support the Obama administration, we know the real reason.

If you are reading this, chances are you are a member of a right wing, anti-female, misogynist hate group. If you live in the United States, one day soon this will show up at your door to serve your arrest warrant:

Post: #2

nWe're to blame for one thing, tho.
We're NOT getting the word out, it's our fault that a piece of shit newspaper like the New York times, news networks like NBC,MSNBC are still in business.
This is the age of the internet, the media SHOULD'NT be a problem.

Post: #3

Maybe now you guys will listen.

This is precisely one of the reasons why I wrote a whole article about how to avoid this. I got firm nods from like a third of guys, while the other two thirds flamed me.

Unless we make our diverse political make-up public and obvious--as well as hash them out in conversations that aren't dismissive of one side--we're going to get lumped in with these groups, discredited, and maybe even ruined. The fact that you, durang, and me are in the same forum discussing matters, and that our politics couldn't be more different, is very significant. This is a transpolitical (if not apolitical) demographic.

We also need to insulate ourselves from the accusation that only thing that brings us together is that "we all hate women." We don't. We're not radical. We're just masculine. We're not conservative. We're not liberal. We're not "independent" (a stupid term). We're all those affiliations. We're not incoherent either. We have a set of shared beliefs that a more complex than a simple political designation or inflammatory label.

Our political stances (and not just in the right-left spectrum, but in other complex ways) need to reach a level of sophistication that they have yet to attain. The left-is-the-enemy stance makes us sound a little like the real whack-jobs holed up in rural Montana blaming the government and immigration and Obama for everything while stockpiling military-grade weapons.

That perspective is not only stupid and over-simplified but also, as we see here, dangerous.

Post: #4

(03-08-2013 07:35 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Maybe now you guys will listen.

This is precisely one of the reasons why I wrote a whole article about how to avoid this. I got firm nods from like a third of guys, while the other two thirds flamed me.

Unless we make our diverse political make-up public and obvious--as well as hash them out in conversations that aren't dismissive of one side--we're going to get lumped in with these groups, discredited, and maybe even ruined. The fact that you, durang, and me are in the same forum discussions matters, and that our politics couldn't be more different, is very significant.

We also need to insulate ourselves from the accusation that only thing that brings us together is that "we all hate women." We don't. We're not radical. We're just masculine. We're not conservative. We're not liberal. We're not "independent" (a stupid term). We're all those affiliations.

Our political stances (and not just in the right-left spectrum, but in other complex ways) need to reach a level of sophistication that they have yet to attain. The left-is-the-enemy stance makes us sound a little like the real whack-jobs holed up in rural Montana blaming the government and immigration and Obama for everything while stockpiling military-grade weapons.

That perspective is not only stupid and over-simplified but also, as we see here, dangerous.

There are plenty of people all over the "extreme right" who are way more esoteric and sophisticated and wholly beyond the "left is baa baa baaaaaad" narrative. It will not suffice.

Post: #5

What if the left is the enemy?

I personally don't think moderating our message is going to make it more palatable to the leftist government when feminists have it firmly by the balls. No half measures or softening of our positions will suffice to the feminists. I think we are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that one day websites like this will be censored and act accordingly.

Post: #6

(03-08-2013 07:56 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  What if the left is the enemy?

The problem is what you guys are calling "the left" are the pussies and ball-busting man-ladies of the group. That's doesn't equal the left. A lot of us on the left hate those pieces of shit more than you for making us look bad. We're the silent majority. We don't even agree with those guys on an overwhelming majority of matters.

Just like the whack-jobs make the conservatives look bad, these motherfuckers are reppin' us poorly.

Post: #7

(03-08-2013 08:07 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 07:56 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  What if the left is the enemy?

The problem is what you guys are calling "the left" are the pussies and ball-busting man-ladies of the group. That's doesn't equal the left. A lot of us on the left hate those pieces of shit more than you for making us look bad. We're the silent majority. We don't even agree with those guys on an overwhelming majority of matters.

Just like the whack-jobs make the conservatives look bad, these motherfuckers are reppin' us poorly.

Say something nice about Otto Strasser. NOW.

Post: #8

(03-08-2013 08:11 PM)Mr.Barbarian Wrote:  Say something nice about Otto Strasser. NOW.

   

Post: #9

(03-08-2013 06:45 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Or maybe because under his administration, the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. Or maybe it is because under the Obama administration, the Department of Homeland Security just purchased 2,717 light-armored tanks, euphemistically called Mine Resistant Armor Protection Vehicles, for service on the streets of America.

That's right. 2,717 armored vehicles to be used in the streets of America. Don't ever say they didn't learn anything from Iraq.


If you are reading this, chances are you are a member of a right wing, anti-female, misogynist hate group. If you live in the United States, one day soon this will show up at your door to serve your arrest warrant:

Yep, shit's getting real right now.

Post: #10

I'm against gays, gun control, and mass unchecked immigration.

If that makes me a radical so be it.

Post: #11

(03-08-2013 09:30 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  I'm against gays, gun control, and mass unchecked immigration.

If that makes me a radical so be it.

It's gun monopoly, not gun control.

Post: #12

looks like the U.S. administration is stocking up for a civil war.

Post: #13

Wait, I have no problem with gays and I'm for gun control. I'm a member here on this forum, so where does that leave me?

Post: #14

This is the same belligerant nonsense that sparked off the last civil war.

Post: #15

(03-08-2013 07:13 PM)Quintus Flaminius Wrote:  nWe're to blame for one thing, tho.
We're NOT getting the word out, it's our fault that a piece of shit newspaper like the New York times, news networks like NBC,MSNBC are still in business.
This is the age of the internet, the media SHOULD'NT be a problem.

Pardon my francais. I may have drank a Kokane or two.

Fuck the mother fucking masses. We control where society is heading. They can sit and talk about inane shit, while we will evolve and push forward.

If we continue to worry about them and their wishes we will calmly walk ourselves off the plank into oblivion.

It is time to grab the bull by the horns and steer it into the future.

Post: #16

(03-08-2013 07:35 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Maybe now you guys will listen.

This is precisely one of the reasons why I wrote a whole article about how to avoid this. I got firm nods from like a third of guys, while the other two thirds flamed me.

Unless we make our diverse political make-up public and obvious--as well as hash them out in conversations that aren't dismissive of one side--we're going to get lumped in with these groups, discredited, and maybe even ruined. The fact that you, durang, and me are in the same forum discussing matters, and that our politics couldn't be more different, is very significant. This is a transpolitical (if not apolitical) demographic.

We also need to insulate ourselves from the accusation that only thing that brings us together is that "we all hate women." We don't. We're not radical. We're just masculine. We're not conservative. We're not liberal. We're not "independent" (a stupid term). We're all those affiliations. We're not incoherent either. We have a set of shared beliefs that a more complex than a simple political designation or inflammatory label.

Our political stances (and not just in the right-left spectrum, but in other complex ways) need to reach a level of sophistication that they have yet to attain. The left-is-the-enemy stance makes us sound a little like the real whack-jobs holed up in rural Montana blaming the government and immigration and Obama for everything while stockpiling military-grade weapons.

That perspective is not only stupid and over-simplified but also, as we see here, dangerous.

Having a "crisis of faith" are we Tut?

Given that you are now lumped in with these hate groups and you are now on this side of the fence, how does it feel to be labelled as something you are not? How does it feel to be labelled as something by default even though its not a reflection on you as an individual at all?

As someone who identifies as a liberal and is quick to label and determine the morality of specific groups that dont adhere to your moral or ethical view of the world, you are starting to get a taste of it from the other side now. Im sure the rest of them feel the same way.

The vast majority of the groups the SLPC labels as hate groups are not hate groups, but 2 years back you would have had no problem labeling them as such when your world was not under the microscope. You are still doing it now, where you would like to cherry pick what you classify as a hate group and what you dont, which makes you as guilty as the SLPC here. Just like they have no right to label groups like they they do, neither do you.

The left is full of whackjobs. Always has been full of whackjobs. Its nothing more than social indoctrination that plays to the insecurities of people. It resorts to populist madness in an effort to secure power through the mob and it rarely bases any of its movements on fact. Its like a nightmarish faith based religion more than anything else. It is sick to its core and hypocritical, yet so intoxicating on the surface that its hard to reject when people do not dig below the surface.

Simple fact is, you are on the receiving end now. Modern Liberal values and beliefs have been fucking convenient for minorities when white males were the only legitimate targets. Its legitimised racism against whites for decades and almost silenced the right completely on social issues. Now that masculine men as a whole are the targets, and you are lumped into that group along with the rest of us, you are feeling angry about the fact that you are being regarded as something that is not a reflection of who you are as a person.

Its legitimised misandry now bud, and its just getting started.

Welcome to the world of the white man in the eyes of the liberal authorities bro. You are getting a small taste of what we have been dealing with politically for the last 40 years. Please be sure not to resort to further misogyny in your protest, you had it good for 7000 years now. Its time to step aside, repent and fucking pay up.

Enjoy your stay

____________________________

This is why MEN of all creeds need to reject leftism. Its is feminine at its core. Its the ultimate hamster.

True Liberalism is not leftism, its moderate. It has nothing to do with modern liberalism and progressive politics. Liberalism does not lead to socialism, communism, fascism or totalitarianism, that is leftism. True liberalism is MASCULINE because it asks for nothing but freedom and liberty.

Im in the same camp as the rest of the blokes who believe no man can reject feminism yet remain a modern liberal. It makes them a hypocrite.

Feminism is based on the same foundations and principles as the entire modern, progressive liberal movement. Egalitarianism. To deny feminism is to deny modern liberalism and leftism as a whole.

Post: #17

(03-08-2013 07:56 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  What if the left is the enemy?

I personally don't think moderating our message is going to make it more palatable to the leftist government when feminists have it firmly by the balls. No half measures or softening of our positions will suffice to the feminists. I think we are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that one day websites like this will be censored and act accordingly.

Exactly. Either you agree with leftists - and every leftist who matters is a feminist - or you are evil and they will seek to demonize and destroy you. This whole "oh gee shucks, we're really good guys. can we talk?" bullshit accomplishes nothing. Talk to the establishment Republicans and see how successful the tactic of conciliation has been.

Post: #18

As a European guy with a multi-party system the only thing I think about if I hear the constant left/right wing discussions on the board.
"Divide and conquer."
The multi-party system is not really better, but at least offers more diverse choices. not only black/white

Post: #19

The manosphere is getting jacked by race obsessed guys. I can see how we're lumped with the whackjob groups.

Less than 5% of game blogs are readable nowadays. Most are just bitching and complaining about a perceived decline.

What happened to being a better individual? More money, more women, good health, solid lifestyle.

Post: #20

(03-08-2013 06:45 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Here's a link to the letter warning the DOJ & DHS about anti-federal government groups.

From the article:

"Our report also documents that hate groups remain at record highs. The expansion of hate groups began not in 2008 but in 2000 as a reaction to the country’s changing demographics. Now that comprehensive immigration reform is poised in the view of some to legitimize those demographic changes, the backlash that we’ve seen over the last decade may accelerate as well. A recent study sponsored by the Department of Homeland Security, it should be noted, found that criminal violence was associated with a significant percentage of far-right hate groups. See Steven M. Chermak, Joshua D. Freilich, Michael Suttmoeller, The Organizational Dynamics of Far-Right Hate Groups in the United States at 2, DHS, Dec. 2011."

The letter was mostly about "militias and radical antigovernment groups," but since the manosphere and Roosh were targeted in the past by the SPLC, here is the SPLC's definition of a hate group:

"All hate groups have beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics."

Women, as a group, certainly qualify as a class of people with immutable characteristics. All of this leaves me questioning just how long until the manosphere is directly targeted by the DOJ and DHS as a hate group.

Here is a link to the video:





Here's a snapshot of the video. Just looking at these guys is tragic. The one on the left is from the SPLC, the one on the right is from the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernadino (a cultural marxist center if there ever was one):



The interview was done by Chris Matthews, who concludes that it is just racism by whites behind the rise of anti-federal groups because Obama is black. Racist whites and white people who are against gays, gun control, and mass unchecked immigration. This is the same Chris Matthews who proudly claims to live in black majority Washington D.C., but in fact lives in Chevy Chase Village, Maryland. Chevy Chase Maryland has 1,953 residents, 93% of which are white, and only has 10 black people - about 1/2% black.

Could it be that the rise of "radical" anti-federal right wing groups is not because Obama is black, but because he renewed the Patriot Act, signed the NDAA allowing the indefinite detention of American citizens without charge, or that he is attempting to implement the largest gun control measures seen in a generation? Or perhaps it the fact that under his administration Rand Paul had to filibuster for 13 hours to get clarification about the Obama administrations desire to use drones domestically on the American populace?

Or maybe because under his administration, the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. Or maybe it is because under the Obama administration, the Department of Homeland Security just purchased 2,717 light-armored tanks, euphemistically called Mine Resistant Armor Protection Vehicles, for service on the streets of America.

That's right. 2,717 armored vehicles to be used in the streets of America. Don't ever say they didn't learn anything from Iraq.

Here's a nice video:





Forget all that. Forget the government take over of healthcare. Forget the flip flopping on gay marriage. Forget the massive deficits which undermine the global status of the dollar as the reserve currency and which will lead to a major financial crises. Forget the amnesty. Forget the bail-out of the too big to fail banks and corporations. If you don't support the Obama administration, we know the real reason.

If you are reading this, chances are you are a member of a right wing, anti-female, misogynist hate group. If you live in the United States, one day soon this will show up at your door to serve your arrest warrant:

This has nothing to do with hate groups. When shit hits the fan, uncle sam will be rounding up threats. Not manosphere, KKK, ACLU, or the Black Panthers. They will be arresting anyone that doesn't give up guns, grows food, or has any training or background in tactics, building bombs, ect. They will be put in concentration camps until total control is achieved. I suspect many won't make it till release.

Post: #21

(03-09-2013 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  The manosphere is getting jacked by race obsessed guys. I can see how we're lumped with the whackjob groups.

Less than 5% of game blogs are readable nowadays. Most are just bitching and complaining about a perceived decline.

What happened to being a better individual? More money, more women, good health, solid lifestyle.

There is always The G Manifesto.

That guy has been avoiding the nonsense and been writing about "more money, more women, good health, solid lifestyle" since day one.

Post: #22

(04-05-2013 05:02 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 12:35 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  The manosphere is getting jacked by race obsessed guys. I can see how we're lumped with the whackjob groups.

Less than 5% of game blogs are readable nowadays. Most are just bitching and complaining about a perceived decline.

What happened to being a better individual? More money, more women, good health, solid lifestyle.

There is always The G Manifesto.

That guy has been avoiding the nonsense and been writing about "more money, more women, good health, solid lifestyle" since day one.

You know something? You are absolutely, positively, spot-fucking ON.

Vorkuta, why don't you hook up with G and build the ultimate gentlemen's travel forum. A mix of adventure and high end. Target market of 30+. Vorkuta shows real promise on the adventure angle - deep cover/dangerous assignments.

An exchange for gentlemen who TRAVEL and appreciate the finer things in life; beautiful women, fine food, old wine and adventure. Throw in a little danger and strangeness for good measure.

Post: #23

Stop the New World Order.

Post: #24

(04-05-2013 06:15 PM)globalunderground Wrote:  Stop the New World Order.

It has nothing to do with a New World Order. When the gov't tanks and can't pay out disability, GI Bill, social security, ect. it's gonna create a shitstorm. People will be pissed and fight back. The guv is preparing for it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17...97069.html

Post: #25

(04-05-2013 06:25 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 06:15 PM)globalunderground Wrote:  Stop the New World Order.

It has nothing to do with a New World Order. When the gov't tanks and can't pay out disability, GI Bill, social security, ect. it's gonna create a shitstorm. People will be pissed and fight back. The guv is preparing for it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17...97069.html

It is probably a multifaceted decision. Why can't it be both? Implode nation states and the US dollar, and replace them with regional currencies or special drawing rights and global governance while laying down the police state to suppress dissent and make sure the situation doesn't spiral out of control.