Post: #26

(03-06-2013 12:36 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 12:24 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 12:12 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 11:36 PM)Jaylow Wrote:  You can make $1000+ a DAY being a sub contractor for flooring/roofing/siding/decking etc companies but you need enough money/balls to put down a few grand for the tools you need. You can either lie about your experience and learn fast or work labour in the area you want to go to for a 2+ months, learn and save, and then get your own small business.

Ive been in the carpentry field for 6 years now and one thing you want to do is separate yourself from being just a labourer.

The good kind of labour jobs:
-Framing houses is the best way to go if your not going to sub contract, you can do it anywhere on the planet and its fun to build stuff with wood. Its easy on the body in terms of long term wear and tear as long as you dont fall off something. You are probably not mixing any kind of chemicals and probably won't be lifting anything over 20 lbs. People get hired as framers with no experience all the time, use google and quickly learn things like the 3 4 5 triangle method and basic framing calculations. Its not hard if you can add and subtract.
-Drywalling is boring but not going to kill your body in the long run. Holding things over your head makes you surprisingly muscular.
-Siding/stucco etc: pretty much same as drywall only your working at greater heights but its different work each time. Outdoors has its obvious good and bad points.
-roofing: sounds horrible but it depends on the company you work for. Work for a company that has hoists to bring the shingles up and roof rippers instead of shovels. Roofing was surprisingly pretty easy on my body and gets you in shape like nothing else. Flat roofing might be harder but I never tried it.
-Masonry: as boring as drywall and wont get you into as good of shape. You also have to deal with chemicals but you are outside which is good and bad since its seasonal/weather dependent. Id do drywalling over this.

The worst labour jobs:
-building decks/fences because you will be the bitch digging the holes and this is 100x worse on your body than any kind of heavy lifting. Any kind of shoveling will fuck up your wrists in the long run and you will probably mess up your knees at some point.
-Landscaping company would be the 2nd worse for obvious reasons but if you can be the guy riding around in the bobcat you are golden but you have to work your way up.
-form work is brutal especially stripping the forms after the concrete sets but if you can handle it you will get super ripped like nothing else. There can be long term damage to your body though depending on exactly the type of work you are doing. I would stay away.
-flooring is kind of in between, its really hard on your back for the first while until you get used to it and if you got back problems I would stay away for sure but you will get in great shape and I enjoyed the variety in flooring

Tell me more. Especially with masonry work. So in a few months I can learn enough to get all my permits, hire a crew, start making bank? How do you "hack" into "lying" on your resume to the prime on the contract? Is this part of the 4HWW? For real. We can talk masonry work all day, or how to run a crew. If you can "hack" me into this, then I'll throw you a BIG bonus when I get started. PM me the info, and I'll pay up on my promise.

This sounds like a one way ticket to bankruptcy, OSHA violations and lawsuits at best.

This guy is fucking moron. Really. We see those "funny" videos of shit like bridges collapsing, walls falling, HORRIBLE construction, ect. Who does that work? I just saw a show on tv of some "alpha" dude in Canada that was going through and fixing houses because of bad inspections. WTF? People spend a fortune due to this. And what is this? Some brainiac with little experience shooting off to get rich. These days even getting "bonded", they are now so desperate, they skip town to avoid warrants, lawsuits, ect. This is shit advice if I've ever heard it.

I know something about masonry, and been around it for years. It will make you strong, it will wear you out, but you need YEARS of experience to run a crew. Some 4HWW notion that you can start that biz is crazy. No laborer that is worth a shit will work for you, and no respected prime will bring you on just because you just started a biz. Where I'm from it's word of mouth.

In fact, I got a real taste in my mouth for that post. How many of us have been ripped off my a mechanic, HVAC guy, parts bitch, landscaper, salesman, ect. It starts here with this mentality. Get by from ripping off the money of those that earn it.

Good trap you set on this guy Ali.

I was about to rip his post apart, but these days it is a kinder, gentler G.

This is ridiculous:

Quote:Masonry: as boring as drywall and wont get you into as good of shape.

Every old school Mason I have met in my life has hands like shovels. Their arms and forearms are incredibly strong. They can kill people with their bare hands.

This is the same guy who came on the forum dissing into all the health threads on here:

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Post: #27

These are all great ideas, but people need to take into account that the construction industry is dead except for a few sectors. Telecommunications and oil.

So look there.

Post: #28

Bell South used to top out at around $25 hr. That is roughly $50 yr. They are hiring now under ATT for half the pay for linemen, service techs, ET's, ect.

There is plenty of work in Atlanta for those with years of experience in electrical/mechanical, but it is averaging $22 hr. I'm getting a lot of hits, and with the right amount of travel, $65K could be reached, but I'd be on the road 80% of the time. That will wear you out quick.

Bottom line, reaching what the OP wants is going to take and education, certs, and lots of experience. There just isn't many jobs right now willing to pay 84 hr weeks with per diem and hotel. Trust me, I've looked.

Post: #29

Plastering will keep you fit as fuck, but it takes at least a year of work to get good, top wack in the uk is 180 sterling perday more usual for those not prepared to work in London is 150. Gas fitters with the right papers can get 250 per day and sparkles the same. Flooring is crap every one I know in that game ends up with knee and back problems but doing private houses can pay well.