Post: #1

I'm not Muslim or religious by any means. I do enjoy reading and learning about other cultures and how they view and do things.

I found this article on a website called Muslim Spice. (random Google search)

It breaks down a lot of the things we discuss here. I just thought it was a good read.

I'm actually amazed that Muslim men marry at all. I don't think I can name even 1 woman that I know that doesn't fall into a few of these categories. They must have their women locked down pretty tight.


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Women Whom Men Should Not Marry
http://muslimspice.com/women-whom-men-sh...TAKSKI4vTp

Most Muslims know the famous saying of Prophet Muhammad (S) in which he mentioned that a woman can be married for wealth, status, beauty, or her religion and that her religion (piety) was the most important factor to consider.

Scholars have expounded upon this by adding to the understanding of the types of women a man should not marry. The great jurist of the last century Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-Uthaymeen taught Muslim men that seven types of women should not be married:

1) Al-Annaanah: The woman who whines, moans, and complains and ties a band around her head all the time meaning that she complains of a headache or some illness but in reality she is feigning illness.

2) Al-Mannaanah: The woman who bestows favours and gifts upon her husband then in the future reminds him “I did such and such for you or on your behalf or because of you”.

3) Al-Hannaanah: The woman who yearns for her former husband or children of her former husband.

4) Kay’atul-Qafaa: The woman who has a brand mark on the nape of her neck meaning she has a bad reputation or doubts about her.

5) Al-Haddaaqah: The woman who casts her eyes at things meaning she is always looking at something to purchase, then desires it, and then requires her husband to buy it no matter what.

6) Al-Barraaqah: The women who spends much of her day enhancing her face and beautifying it to such an extent that it will seem like it was manufactured.

7) Al-Shaddaaqah: The woman who talks excessively.

His eminence outlined this advice to the men of the Muslim nation and for that the nation is much obliged. To that I can add the following modern phenomenon that requires careful consideration:

1) Twitterer: A woman who uses a twitter account for anything that is not related to keeping in touch with her relatives or for professional work (e.g. a gynecologist tweeting child birth advice). Our advice is to stay clear from twitter users who use it for non-family or non-professional reasons. Some women use twitter to stay connected to Islam and Islamic knowledge but they quickly fall into useless conversation and openly flirt with and/or praise their Shuyookh/teachers on twitter. If a woman does not have a Twitter account move her up your list.

2) Facebookers: Facebook is now one of the leading conduits of the break-up of marriages. Any woman who has pictures of herself displayed on her Facebook page should be automatically disqualified. If she is not shy to have millions of men feast their eyes on her then groom beware! If she is using Facebook for strictly business or for staying in touch with only her female friends and her relatives then an exception can be made. If a woman does not have a Facebook account move her up your list.

3) Professional/Career types: Muslim scholars of classical times and contemporary times have explained that a woman has no need to go outside the home to earn a living. Her father, brother, grandfather, husband, son are all there to provide for her. Career Muslim women will say Khadeejah bint Khuwaylid (RA) worked. In fact she hired men to work on her behalf. She was not out in the markets bartering and trading. Even speakers such as Yasir al-Qadhi have stated that women should not work except in a couple of professions such as teaching girls and gynecology. Muslim women marriage counselors have stated that a major cause of disruption in marriages is the inflexibility of the career wife. Avoid career women who go out to corporate offices and intermingle with men in the course of their work. If a woman loves home making, cooking, cleaning, and raising children move her up your list.

4) Temperamental types: Any woman who cannot check her emotions and is prone to frequent angry fits over little things should be avoided at all costs. If a woman’s temperament is cool as a cucumber move her up your list.

5) Non-virgins: Do not marry a woman who lost her virginity outside marriage or even engaged in any sexual exploits such as kissing and such outside marriage. According to psychologists these women have attachment issues, tremendous baggage, and may compare you to her previous lover(s). If she was previously married or widowed or if she is a convert then there is no harm in marrying her. If a woman did not lose her virginity to anything except a marriage then move her up your list.

6) Truculent types: The last thing you want is a woman who argues with you about every insignificant thing. There are women who know when to back off from an argument to keep peace in the home and there are those that will want to have their way. Avoid at all costs the truculent types. If a woman is wise and non-argumentative move her up your list.

7) Non-hijabis: Do not marry non-hijabis. Too many men have married a non-hijabi because she promised she’ll wear a hijab afterwards but that never materialized and he’s left in embarrassment as his friends can see his wife’s hair and the shape of her bosoms and hips. Just don’t fall into that trap. If a woman wears hijab, move her up your list.

8) Non-haya types: You can spot these women easily. They may even be wearing hijab. But they do not have any shyness when talking to a man. They will ease into a conversation with a stranger man in her college class or work or public just as easily as she would ease into a conversation with a woman. This is not her fault. She was raised in an inclusive environment where men and women are ‘equal’ and so her dealings with men and women are also identical. If the woman you are talking to for marriage blushes or lowers her eyes instinctively when you say “Salaam” to her then move her to the top of your list.

9) Daughters of men who are in haram professions: If a woman’s father is a banker, loan officer, pork farmer, gas station owner who sells lottery tickets and alcohol, brothel owner, night club owner, pays interest on his house or pays interest on business loans then avoid marrying his daughter if she sees nothing wrong with those professions/transactions. Your wife will be the mother of your children and will teach your children what is acceptable and what is not. If she deems nothing wrong with those professions steer clear. If a woman is the daughter of a man who is in a halal profession then move her up your list.

10) Contemptuous feminist types: While feminism in general has died a protracted death in America, Muslim feminism is currently riding a wave. If a woman you are talking to for marriage shows signs that if she were asked to make a sandwich and tea for you on a Saturday morning she would not do so except as a chore or begrudgingly then steer clear. In fact you shouldn’t even have to ask her. It should come naturally. Just as naturally as you go to work 40 hours a week for the family. There are two types of women. Those who consider home making a humiliating chore and those who love to please their man by making him dinner and soothing conversation after a long day or after a long week. There are niqabi women who have come on CNN and proudly boasted that they make their husbands do the dishes. If you are an impuissant man and can deal with that then all clear. If you cannot then steer clear of the women who wear the pants in the family because our Prophet Muhammad (S) has stated that the man is the leader of the family. The leading cause of American Muslim men going abroad to marry brides is the high percentage of contemptuous feminists in the marriage pool in America. If a woman feels happy about the thought of pleasing her husband then move her to the top of your list.

There are a lot of other considerations and guidelines provided in the Sunnah and the eager bachelor is urged to add to his knowledge by researching further. I pray that Allah grants you a beautiful pious home maker(s) who will be the delight of your eyes and the coolness of your soul.

Post: #2

(02-28-2013 09:08 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  I'm not Muslim or religious by any means. I do enjoy reading and learning about other cultures and how they view and do things.

I found this article on a website called Muslim Spice. (random Google search)

It breaks down a lot of the things we discuss here. I just thought it was a good read.

I'm actually amazed that Muslim men marry at all. I don't think I can name even 1 woman that I know that doesn't fall into a few of these categories. They must have their women locked down pretty tight.


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Women Whom Men Should Not Marry
http://muslimspice.com/women-whom-men-sh...TAKSKI4vTp

Most Muslims know the famous saying of Prophet Muhammad (S) in which he mentioned that a woman can be married for wealth, status, beauty, or her religion and that her religion (piety) was the most important factor to consider.

Scholars have expounded upon this by adding to the understanding of the types of women a man should not marry. The great jurist of the last century Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-Uthaymeen taught Muslim men that seven types of women should not be married:

1) Al-Annaanah: The woman who whines, moans, and complains and ties a band around her head all the time meaning that she complains of a headache or some illness but in reality she is feigning illness.

2) Al-Mannaanah: The woman who bestows favours and gifts upon her husband then in the future reminds him “I did such and such for you or on your behalf or because of you”.

3) Al-Hannaanah: The woman who yearns for her former husband or children of her former husband.

4) Kay’atul-Qafaa: The woman who has a brand mark on the nape of her neck meaning she has a bad reputation or doubts about her.

5) Al-Haddaaqah: The woman who casts her eyes at things meaning she is always looking at something to purchase, then desires it, and then requires her husband to buy it no matter what.

6) Al-Barraaqah: The women who spends much of her day enhancing her face and beautifying it to such an extent that it will seem like it was manufactured.

7) Al-Shaddaaqah: The woman who talks excessively.

His eminence outlined this advice to the men of the Muslim nation and for that the nation is much obliged. To that I can add the following modern phenomenon that requires careful consideration:

1) Twitterer: A woman who uses a twitter account for anything that is not related to keeping in touch with her relatives or for professional work (e.g. a gynecologist tweeting child birth advice). Our advice is to stay clear from twitter users who use it for non-family or non-professional reasons. Some women use twitter to stay connected to Islam and Islamic knowledge but they quickly fall into useless conversation and openly flirt with and/or praise their Shuyookh/teachers on twitter. If a woman does not have a Twitter account move her up your list.

2) Facebookers: Facebook is now one of the leading conduits of the break-up of marriages. Any woman who has pictures of herself displayed on her Facebook page should be automatically disqualified. If she is not shy to have millions of men feast their eyes on her then groom beware! If she is using Facebook for strictly business or for staying in touch with only her female friends and her relatives then an exception can be made. If a woman does not have a Facebook account move her up your list.

3) Professional/Career types: Muslim scholars of classical times and contemporary times have explained that a woman has no need to go outside the home to earn a living. Her father, brother, grandfather, husband, son are all there to provide for her. Career Muslim women will say Khadeejah bint Khuwaylid (RA) worked. In fact she hired men to work on her behalf. She was not out in the markets bartering and trading. Even speakers such as Yasir al-Qadhi have stated that women should not work except in a couple of professions such as teaching girls and gynecology. Muslim women marriage counselors have stated that a major cause of disruption in marriages is the inflexibility of the career wife. Avoid career women who go out to corporate offices and intermingle with men in the course of their work. If a woman loves home making, cooking, cleaning, and raising children move her up your list.

4) Temperamental types: Any woman who cannot check her emotions and is prone to frequent angry fits over little things should be avoided at all costs. If a woman’s temperament is cool as a cucumber move her up your list.

5) Non-virgins: Do not marry a woman who lost her virginity outside marriage or even engaged in any sexual exploits such as kissing and such outside marriage. According to psychologists these women have attachment issues, tremendous baggage, and may compare you to her previous lover(s). If she was previously married or widowed or if she is a convert then there is no harm in marrying her. If a woman did not lose her virginity to anything except a marriage then move her up your list.

6) Truculent types: The last thing you want is a woman who argues with you about every insignificant thing. There are women who know when to back off from an argument to keep peace in the home and there are those that will want to have their way. Avoid at all costs the truculent types. If a woman is wise and non-argumentative move her up your list.

7) Non-hijabis: Do not marry non-hijabis. Too many men have married a non-hijabi because she promised she’ll wear a hijab afterwards but that never materialized and he’s left in embarrassment as his friends can see his wife’s hair and the shape of her bosoms and hips. Just don’t fall into that trap. If a woman wears hijab, move her up your list.

8) Non-haya types: You can spot these women easily. They may even be wearing hijab. But they do not have any shyness when talking to a man. They will ease into a conversation with a stranger man in her college class or work or public just as easily as she would ease into a conversation with a woman. This is not her fault. She was raised in an inclusive environment where men and women are ‘equal’ and so her dealings with men and women are also identical. If the woman you are talking to for marriage blushes or lowers her eyes instinctively when you say “Salaam” to her then move her to the top of your list.

9) Daughters of men who are in haram professions: If a woman’s father is a banker, loan officer, pork farmer, gas station owner who sells lottery tickets and alcohol, brothel owner, night club owner, pays interest on his house or pays interest on business loans then avoid marrying his daughter if she sees nothing wrong with those professions/transactions. Your wife will be the mother of your children and will teach your children what is acceptable and what is not. If she deems nothing wrong with those professions steer clear. If a woman is the daughter of a man who is in a halal profession then move her up your list.

10) Contemptuous feminist types: While feminism in general has died a protracted death in America, Muslim feminism is currently riding a wave. If a woman you are talking to for marriage shows signs that if she were asked to make a sandwich and tea for you on a Saturday morning she would not do so except as a chore or begrudgingly then steer clear. In fact you shouldn’t even have to ask her. It should come naturally. Just as naturally as you go to work 40 hours a week for the family. There are two types of women. Those who consider home making a humiliating chore and those who love to please their man by making him dinner and soothing conversation after a long day or after a long week. There are niqabi women who have come on CNN and proudly boasted that they make their husbands do the dishes. If you are an impuissant man and can deal with that then all clear. If you cannot then steer clear of the women who wear the pants in the family because our Prophet Muhammad (S) has stated that the man is the leader of the family. The leading cause of American Muslim men going abroad to marry brides is the high percentage of contemptuous feminists in the marriage pool in America. If a woman feels happy about the thought of pleasing her husband then move her to the top of your list.

There are a lot of other considerations and guidelines provided in the Sunnah and the eager bachelor is urged to add to his knowledge by researching further. I pray that Allah grants you a beautiful pious home maker(s) who will be the delight of your eyes and the coolness of your soul.

So what planet will we find the woman who doesn't fit into these categories on?

Post: #3

Come on dude. Please don't quote a long post for a one-liner reply. It makes the thread unreadable.

Post: #4

(02-28-2013 09:14 PM)Celtic Wrote:  So what planet will we find the woman who doesn't fit into these categories on?

Venus.

Post: #5

(02-28-2013 09:08 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  9) Daughters of men who are in haram professions: If a woman’s father is a banker, loan officer, pork farmer, gas station owner who sells lottery tickets and alcohol,

This whole thing is awesome, but this one about the gas station owner caught my eye.
That's very interesting to me.

WIA

Post: #6

(02-28-2013 11:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 09:08 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  9) Daughters of men who are in haram professions: If a woman’s father is a banker, loan officer, pork farmer, gas station owner who sells lottery tickets and alcohol,

This whole thing is awesome, but this one about the gas station owner caught my eye.
That's very interesting to me.

WIA

Isn't it? I found #10 interesting.

Quote:. If a woman you are talking to for marriage shows signs that if she were asked to make a sandwich and tea for you on a Saturday morning she would not do so except as a chore or begrudgingly then steer clear. In fact you shouldn’t even have to ask her. It should come naturally. Just as naturally as you go to work 40 hours a week for the family.

Post: #7

Well the banker thing is probably due to Jew hate. Although Islam takes a ton of ideas from religious Judaism. I think there is something similar as well there. But I do like most of these ideas. An Islam takeover doesn't sound so bad in this aspect. However not wild about the whole submitting 5 times a day thing and few other aspects.

Post: #8

(02-28-2013 11:13 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  If a woman you are talking to for marriage shows signs that if she were asked to make a sandwich and tea for you on a Saturday morning she would not do so except as a chore or begrudgingly then steer clear. In fact you shouldn’t even have to ask her. It should come naturally. Just as naturally as you go to work 40 hours a week for the family.

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I think a lot of men would be okay with that arrangement. Indeed, if half of the workforce left private sector jobs and focused on the home sector
- obesity would decline
- education of children would increase
- a lot of housing prices would fall ...

I could go on and on, but there feminist minded economists talk a lot about what happened when women went to work en masse.

WIA

Post: #9

(02-28-2013 11:17 PM)kbell Wrote:  Well the banker thing is probably due to Jew hate. Although Islam takes a ton of ideas from religious Judaism.

That whole region is about Abrahamic religions.

WIA

Post: #10

(02-28-2013 11:17 PM)kbell Wrote:  An Islam takeover doesn't sound so bad in this aspect. However not wild about the whole submitting 5 times a day thing and few other aspects.

I'm not a big fan of the whole "you can't get drunk" idealogy, file that under "other aspects." I do know a Muslim that drinks the occasional beer, though.

Post: #11

(02-28-2013 11:13 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  I think a lot of men would be okay with that arrangement. Indeed, if half of the workforce left private sector jobs and focused on the home sector
- obesity would decline
- education of children would increase
- a lot of housing prices would fall ...

I could go on and on, but there feminist minded economists talk a lot about what happened when women went to work en masse.

WIA

Why do you think that obesity would go down?

Post: #12

(02-28-2013 11:39 PM)storm Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 11:13 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  I think a lot of men would be okay with that arrangement. Indeed, if half of the workforce left private sector jobs and focused on the home sector
- obesity would decline
- education of children would increase
- a lot of housing prices would fall ...

I could go on and on, but there feminist minded economists talk a lot about what happened when women went to work en masse.

WIA

Why do you think that obesity would go down?

I'm guessing that because if women returned to their work as skilled homemakers, they'd be able to put together a few healthy meals per day as compared to taking their children out for restaurant meals every night or cooking something from a box or can.

Post: #13

Don't assume that. They would have to go all Westen Price and go back to more traditional cooking. Fatties going to fat.

Also how can you tell if they are thin if they wear formless burkas all the time?

Post: #14

I thought this thread was gonna be about a new Spice Girl. Damn.

Aloha!

Post: #15

Thank you for posting this very interesting article Parlay!
I agree that the Muslims have it locked pretty tightly and more and more of them, when it comes to getting married after having pumped and dumped the western carousel riders/sluts heavily, they will look for a woman in their homeland as they have realized that even the Muslim women in North America and in the Western world have been poisoned with the feminazi mentality and are of no good use to build a family. I also agree that Muslim women make among the best wives and mothers as they will be with the man through it all and will be very supportive of her man. I've seen it with my own eyes with countless guys/friends I know. Their motto is always "have your fun with the western women, but never marry one". Very wise motto indeed!

Post: #16

They know wtf they are doing. I give my Muslim homies a lot of props because they have it all laid out all they have to do is just be loyal to their cause and they will be rewarded. Its just heavy handed in rhetoric and tradition for my like at times but I do respect the system they have in place for relationships. I am happy they bring up Twitter and FB, more-so Twitter is the biggest red-flag for an attention whore whom will be useless as your girl. Twitter is extremely time consuming and I see my roomate not cook meals for herself nor take care of herself due to her being on Twitter 90hrs a day. To me the less a girl is on Social Media the better she is all around as she devotes her time to more productive things which I can respect.

The "Haram profession" knock is basically saying that you can't trust a daughter of any Man whom made his living of exploiting people. His money is not clean and every father will shower his daughter in gifts, examples, and lessons, and thus she will be showered with dirty gifts and lessons. That's what they are kind of getting at. To put in Western terms would you marry the daughter of a Mega Drug Dealer? Remember that "Bankers", and "Lenders" are outlawed in their religion, I would not go that far being here in the West but to them its a big no-no.

Post: #17

(02-28-2013 11:39 PM)storm Wrote:  Why do you think that obesity would go down?

Americans get fat primarily because of convenient food. it's cheap, you get a lot of it (portion size), and it's full of things that make it taste good, but are bad for you.

Americans eat out a lot, because no one cooks.
No one cooks, because cooking takes time.
No one has time, because mom is at work.

WIA

Post: #18

I had to chime in on this.

The area of NYC I grew up in, I have been surrounded by Muslim families and couples, and I don't think I have ever seen a group of people with such amazing, healthy Man-Woman relationships. I know many marriages between traditional muslim women and men, all of which have worked out amazingly. The religion really hits the nail in the head with good, healthy marriages. Of course areas such as Saudi arabia take it to the extreme (women cannot drive), but for the most part, Muslim marriages work. Women still act like women, provided they come from the homeland. I know a guy who, like Vacancier Permanent said, would pump and dump western broads, than marry a lady back from the homeland. These women, I swear to you, will die by your side, will never leave you, and will stick with you through thick and thin. Alot of these girls are so modest, they will not even converse with a man outside of the family!

The household? These traditional ladies know how to make for a good home. Cooking, cleaning, child rearing, you step into a house managed by a lady like this, everything seems and feels "right".

Post: #19

Many good points on the list, except I'm not down with the hijab part.

The author definitely has a good grasp on the concept of the western pool of women being ruined by feminism.

Who would have thought that Conservative Islam and an off-shoot of the PUA community would find common ground?

(02-28-2013 11:17 PM)kbell Wrote:  Well the banker thing is probably due to Jew hate. Although Islam takes a ton of ideas from religious Judaism. I think there is something similar as well there. But I do like most of these ideas. An Islam takeover doesn't sound so bad in this aspect. However not wild about the whole submitting 5 times a day thing and few other aspects.

It's not jew-hate, it's because lending money at interest is forbidden in Islam.

(02-28-2013 11:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 09:08 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  9) Daughters of men who are in haram professions: If a woman’s father is a banker, loan officer, pork farmer, gas station owner who sells lottery tickets and alcohol,

This whole thing is awesome, but this one about the gas station owner caught my eye.
That's very interesting to me.

WIA

The key part is gas station owner who sells lottery tickets Lottery tickets=gambling which is illegal in Islam.

Post: #20

(03-01-2013 12:44 AM)Technics Wrote:  Many good points on the list, except I'm not down with the hijab part.

The author definitely has a good grasp on the concept of the western pool of women being ruined by feminism.

Who would have thought that Conservative Islam and an off-shoot of the PUA community would find common ground?

(02-28-2013 11:17 PM)kbell Wrote:  Well the banker thing is probably due to Jew hate. Although Islam takes a ton of ideas from religious Judaism. I think there is something similar as well there. But I do like most of these ideas. An Islam takeover doesn't sound so bad in this aspect. However not wild about the whole submitting 5 times a day thing and few other aspects.

It's not jew-hate, it's because lending money at interest is forbidden in Islam.

(02-28-2013 11:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 09:08 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  9) Daughters of men who are in haram professions: If a woman’s father is a banker, loan officer, pork farmer, gas station owner who sells lottery tickets and alcohol,

This whole thing is awesome, but this one about the gas station owner caught my eye.
That's very interesting to me.

WIA

The key part is gas station owner who sells lottery tickets Lottery tickets=gambling which is illegal in Islam.

To be honest, at heart, I think all men want what is listed above (well most things anyway). Men and women have their roles in life, but society these days is just fucking things up so bad, no one knows who or what to act like. But I know where I'm getting a wife one day!

The hijab thing, while extreme to some, makes some sense IMO. A women who's modest enough to cover up unless it's her one special man? Sounds good to me.

Post: #21

Traditional Muslim women make great wives, but if you are a non-Muslim, you have to convert to marry one...anybody here willing to do that...?

I know non-Muslim guys who have Muslim wives, but the wives are very western in outlook and are Muslim in name only.

Post: #22

I live in the Middle East. A lot of this discussion is cultural. The thread starter is quoting some religious leader I assume that has a view IMHO that women are all filth for the most part while not criticizing men.

As for Muslims having fantastic "marriages" this is cultural too. You don't see behind their doors as to what goes on. Divorce is still shameful for Muslims and becoming the property of husbands, women are still in this category. So they have a belief to obey at all costs. Arranged marriages are more common in Islam than the other Abrahamic religions. Ask yourself would you like to be arranged? Sleep next to someone whom you don't love, aren't attracted to and if you divorced are seen as an embarrassment to your family too. A lot of men and women in this regard are miserable.....so the facade of being the perfect couple is not always true.

Yes, some Muslim women are great women, make great wives and would make great partners to raise a family.

The hijab is heavily debated. I know families where some wear it and some members don't. Many women fight against the veil. THEY believe that it oppresses women. That it was constructed because of a very bizarre view of sexuality, which is that for men to gaze upon the faces or hair of women would inflame them sexually and somehow the people you would have to punish are the women. By covering women up by putting a bag over their heads (Afghanistan) is not ok. You can't live in a world where half the women are covered up like this.

Many Muslims are great people. You have idiots and brain-washed people in every culture and religion. Those who are open minded and those who are closed. As for marrying a Muslim woman, you might have it all or be depressed and divorced. Marrying a village girl from Syria or Iraq today was like Italians marrying village girls back in the early 1900s and bringing these brides to America. Divorce was unheard of and families functioned in the traditional sense.

Post: #23

(03-01-2013 12:44 AM)Technics Wrote:  The key part is gas station owner who sells lottery tickets Lottery tickets=gambling which is illegal in Islam.

2 things

1) there are a ton of gas station/convenience store owners that are muslim
(same with night club and strip clubs).

I didn't realize there'd be that level of ostracization w/in their own community.

2) A lot of groups have no problem selling poison to outsiders.
Apparently this might not be the case.

WIA

Post: #24

Most of this sounds quite healthy and natural. The only things I have issues with are the hijab thingy (it's certainly possible to dress normally without a hijab), and #4 ( 4) Kay’atul-Qafaa: The woman who has a brand mark on the nape of her neck meaning she has a bad reputation or doubts about her. )

Does #4 mean hickies? If so, it should fall under the "virgin" rule anyway.

Since I don't drink much (if at all), there aren't so many things I'd miss under a moderate strain of Islam.

Post: #25

(03-01-2013 05:51 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Since I don't drink much (if at all), there aren't so many things I'd miss under a moderate strain of Islam.

Go live in a country that has a moderate strain as you put and see if you would enjoy it. Somehow I don't think you will.