Post: #1

Quote:Relive one of our country’s most sweeping social revolutions. Over the last 50 years, women have helped shape America in pursuit of a full and fair share of political power, economic opportunity and personal autonomy.

Meet some of the leading figures in MAKERS: WOMEN WHO MAKE AMERICA, premiering tonight @ 8/7c on PBS.

http://video.pbs.org/program/makers-wome...e-america/

Post: #2

The "accomplishments" of these women in the excerpt you gave aren't actually accomplishments. It would be interesting to see a program about female scientists who have discovered new treatments for diseases, female engineers who build bridges or work with others to discover some new technological innovation, what about psychologists or philosophers who changed the way we think? What about a woman in a position of power who actually caused large social change, like activists or governments who topple a dictatorship?

Post: #3

These clips make it seem like the 50s was a terrible time to be a woman yet at that time women were the most happy.

Post: #4

(02-26-2013 07:15 PM)liberman Wrote:  These clips make it seem like the 50s was a terrible time to be a woman yet at that time women were the most happy.

Yep. I've seen the studies indicating the women's happiness since the days of Ozzy and Harriet continues to decline. Since women's liberation, women are much less happy, and western civilization has quickly turned to shit. And modern western women are practically fucking made saints for doing everything except what they should be.

Meanwhile, the millions of men who studied, toiled, and died to make modern western civilization possible are demonized as misogynist pigs. Bitches need to get a grip.

Post: #5

(02-26-2013 07:15 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  What about a woman in a position of power who actually caused large social change, like activists or governments who topple a dictatorship?

Yeah they do exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi

She's out there risking torture and jail while these women are on TV whining about non-issues.

Post: #6

"Makers..."

Home Makers?
Cooking show?

Post: #7

I know when I have a chick they always make my kitchen kitchen sparkle.

Post: #8

The women who made America were the ones at home, raising their children and tending to the needs of the family like any responsible human being. They're the ones who cared for the children when they were most vulnerable and made sure that they developed properly throughout their adolescence without any glaring antisocial disorders.

Yep, sounds like all the women since the birth of America to the 50's.

Post: #9

(02-26-2013 07:21 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 07:15 PM)liberman Wrote:  These clips make it seem like the 50s was a terrible time to be a woman yet at that time women were the most happy.

Yep. I've seen the studies indicating the women's happiness since the days of Ozzy and Harriet continues to decline. Since women's liberation, women are much less happy, and western civilization has quickly turned to shit. And modern western women are practically fucking made saints for doing everything except what they should be.

Meanwhile, the millions of men who studied, toiled, and died to make modern western civilization possible are demonized as misogynist pigs. Bitches need to get a grip.

Don't blame women. They are overindulged children who lack the capacity to understand the results of their actions. Just as they can't invent, innovate, create, produce, they can't build or change a society. It is men's responsibility to assign women a role and make sure they stick to it.

Post: #10

Look at that old manly bitch in the first video at 0:25 talking about how she "faked an orgasm." You better believe that's pure fiction...

Then the one right after that talking about how they only wanted women to type and didn't give them anything more important to do. Any of us who have female co-workers have seen first hand how much of a disaster it is when you give women more responsibility than that. They'll spend 5 hours gossiping to their co-workers and bullshitting on the phone before they even try to get started.

Post: #11

In the first video 2:00, that just might be the very first male feminist.

Post: #12

I didn't know America was made out of muffins, drama, and facebook petitions.

Post: #13

(02-26-2013 07:41 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 07:15 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  What about a woman in a position of power who actually caused large social change, like activists or governments who topple a dictatorship?

Yeah they do exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi

She's out there risking torture and jail while these women are on TV whining about non-issues.

Exactly! Why does no one make a documentary on PBS about someone like her? Seems to me like a woman can only be considered successful if she follows feminist dogma and makes someone money.

Post: #14

(02-26-2013 07:15 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The "accomplishments" of these women in the excerpt you gave aren't actually accomplishments. It would be interesting to see a program about female scientists who have discovered new treatments for diseases, female engineers who build bridges or work with others to discover some new technological innovation, what about psychologists or philosophers who changed the way we think? What about a woman in a position of power who actually caused large social change, like activists or governments who topple a dictatorship?

Well, the women scientist, philosophers, mathematicians, etc. are there, it's just if you were to look at them the first thing you would notice is they are not that attractive. Sure, you can probably find the occasional 7 or 8 in the hard sciences, but it's a rarity. After all, one afternoon at a university will persuade you of this, just look at pysch classrooms and then go to the math or computer science classrooms.

Of course, it makes perfect sense. No dimepiece is going to bust her ass at hard shit to make a living. Why would she? Isn't that the whole point of her looks? To leverage them to get a better life.

Anymore, I think social commentary and social activism is ok and all, but it's just run of the mill stuff. Anyone can do it.

Post: #15

(02-26-2013 10:39 PM)TheKantian Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 07:15 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  The "accomplishments" of these women in the excerpt you gave aren't actually accomplishments. It would be interesting to see a program about female scientists who have discovered new treatments for diseases, female engineers who build bridges or work with others to discover some new technological innovation, what about psychologists or philosophers who changed the way we think? What about a woman in a position of power who actually caused large social change, like activists or governments who topple a dictatorship?

Well, the women scientist, philosophers, mathematicians, etc. are there, it's just if you were to look at them the first thing you would notice is they are not that attractive. Sure, you can probably find the occasional 7 or 8 in the hard sciences, but it's a rarity. After all, one afternoon at a university will persuade you of this, just look at pysch classrooms and then go to the math or computer science classrooms.

Of course, it makes perfect sense. No dimepiece is going to bust her ass at hard shit to make a living. Why would she? Isn't that the whole point of her looks? To leverage them to get a better life.

Anymore, I think social commentary and social activism is ok and all, but it's just run of the mill stuff. Anyone can do it.

Moder feminism attacks women who go into math and science. Richard Dawkins has talked about this. Women do have something to offer in these fields, but modern feminism thinks they should be on tumblr saying everything is the patriarchy and about rape culture.

Post: #16

The women who helped made America are
A) Mothers, as already mentioned above
B) Hot secretaries that organized for important men while getting fucked by them

Post: #17

Follow the money.

Who is the first and primary sponsor of this illuminating documentary?

"MAKERS is sponsored by Simple, a new line of facial skincare products."

You've got to wonder why a beauty company is pushing this stuff.
How come HP or Yahoo isn't the primary sponsor. They both had female CEO's.....

Is this a subtle Fortune 500 Troll, or does this hint at something much darker?

WIA

Post: #18

Someone is profiting off of internet age feminism just like someone is profiting off of "green" marketing, superfood fads, gluten free stuff etc.

Post: #19

I don't really understand what challenges an American woman (especially a white one) face in 2013. I think it's good that they wanted equal rights and able to do shit that guys could do but what else do they want right now? I mean, the average girl is gonna have an easier life than a guy and still make her own money and do ANYTHING she wants to. Whatever, I would probably just laugh and tell her to shut the fuck up if I ever ran across a nasty feminist who was trying to preach to me and make me feel guilty for being born with a dick.

Post: #20

Did anyone watch it? It showed on 2/26. Here's the page I got everything from. Man, check out this comment lol. You go girl! Let that loose pussy flap in the wind.

https://www.facebook.com/pbs/posts/615613058453763

Quote: It was wonderful and I feel so privileged to have personally lived it and reaped benefits at every stage. I was born in 1942 and had a stay at home mom who baked cookies! I spent my teenage years in the romantic carefree 50's when we mainly thought about who the next boyfriend would be and not politics and war. I married in the turbulent 60's and was easily able to postpone having babies because of the pill, and build a career. Having children in the 70's I had access to daycare while I worked. Getting divorced in 1979 before AIDS reared it's ugly head I had years of fun in the disco era and enjoyed a very very active sex life with anyone I wanted and had the time of my life, after growing up when we women had to be so so careful not to get a bad reputation and/or God forbid, pregnant. I never felt the need to marry again and now it is commonplace and socially acceptable for women to be single. Erica Jong who is my age calls us the "whip lash generation". I feel so lucky to have been a part of the journey.

Post: #21

Great find houston.

This reminds me of watching hypothetical highlights of a game where one team beat the other in, say, basketball 100-2.

And all the highlights and commentary are about the team that scored 2. Those two points are dissected and studied closely. The team is interviewed on how it "feels" to score two points.

Then they talk about how they tried hard, how they are special snowflakes for even entering into the contest, how they are great people for showing up, how the refs rigged the game (even though they called more fouls on the team that scored 100) and how the other team sucked for scoring 100.

And if they ever play again, the team that scored 100 will have to spot the other team 100 and only play with four players and on and on and on and on ....

Post: #22

(02-27-2013 04:13 AM)houston Wrote:  Did anyone watch it? It showed on 2/26. Here's the page I got everything from. Man, check out this comment lol. You go girl! Let that loose pussy flap in the wind.

https://www.facebook.com/pbs/posts/615613058453763

Quote: It was wonderful and I feel so privileged to have personally lived it and reaped benefits at every stage. I was born in 1942 and had a stay at home mom who baked cookies! I spent my teenage years in the romantic carefree 50's when we mainly thought about who the next boyfriend would be and not politics and war. I married in the turbulent 60's and was easily able to postpone having babies because of the pill, and build a career. Having children in the 70's I had access to daycare while I worked. Getting divorced in 1979 before AIDS reared it's ugly head I had years of fun in the disco era and enjoyed a very very active sex life with anyone I wanted and had the time of my life, after growing up when we women had to be so so careful not to get a bad reputation and/or God forbid, pregnant. I never felt the need to marry again and now it is commonplace and socially acceptable for women to be single. Erica Jong who is my age calls us the "whip lash generation". I feel so lucky to have been a part of the journey.

LOL. So at 37 she decided to take a ride on the penis railroad.

Oh well, more power to her.

Post: #23

(02-26-2013 11:14 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  Moder feminism attacks women who go into math and science. Richard Dawkins has talked about this. Women do have something to offer in these fields, but modern feminism thinks they should be on tumblr saying everything is the patriarchy and about rape culture.

Link? I'm only aware of the whole, "Lack of women in STEM means discrimination" cry.

I do know there is feminist epistemology which is pretty radical, but I don't think that would be considered mainstream though.

Post: #24

(02-27-2013 10:07 AM)TheKantian Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:14 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  Moder feminism attacks women who go into math and science. Richard Dawkins has talked about this. Women do have something to offer in these fields, but modern feminism thinks they should be on tumblr saying everything is the patriarchy and about rape culture.

Link? I'm only aware of the whole, "Lack of women in STEM means discrimination" cry.

I do know there is feminist epistemology which is pretty radical, but I don't think that would be considered mainstream though.

The female STEM and even Business students I knew in college were not very feminine AT ALL and I think that goes hand in hand in their way of thinking. Maybe because, at their core, most women still think like women and thus are not "geared" toward STEM degrees. Forcing them into it could only be at the cost of their femininity.

Post: #25

I had a few thoughts today as I walked into my 100% "male dominated" STEM classes.

I don't know why any feminist would ever bring up the lack of women in STEM fields. If anything, that's their biggest failure. I vote to re-phrase "male-dominated STEM fields" as "fields abundant in female absenteeism". If they think that women in engineering is a good thing, then there is no reason why they shouldn't shame women for being stupid. The problem is that no prominent feminist talking head is in a STEM field so they'd be first in line to get shamed. What the hell could they know?

If Facebook is any indication there are probably millions of feminists getting angry about the "male dominated STEM fields" but none of them can piss each other off enough to make any of them go to college for a field that isn't journalism, women's studies, education, or "really hard sciences" like biology. For that, all major feminists are both bad examples (no real "leaders" spend 95% of the time bitching about how hard they have it) and goddawful ignorant. Every single one of them that I've known has taken the easy road out of college and gotten a shit degree. Not one feminist that I know has a math degree. I understand that this education differential is somewhat different overseas.

Seriously, feminists who clearly read the site, do you know why women aren't getting jobs as engineers, physicists, statisticians, computer programmers, mathematicians, actuaries, and fields where serious money is made? It's because they know it's hard, and they're too busy fucking off beating dead horse feminist arguments in women's studies, learning how to write acceptably biased journalism, speaking dead languages, or being not very competitive at painting instead of manning up and challenging themselves to get a real degree. And yet these big swinging clits have the gall to somehow blame the magical patriarchy or male oriented teaching when this is a problem that is more American than international. The problem is not "gender oriented jobs" or "engineers are perceived to be male". it's American women who are taught to be entitled and are lazy as shit as a result.

If it is true that modern feminism is using shaming techniques to keep women out of STEM fields, then they're essentially the patriarchy. I hope they all go to a hell where you do nothing but laplace transforms.